Escorts: SL Definition

You can also stimulate the same chemical production in the brain by eating large quantities of chocolate...

I believe you have to eat very LARGE quanities to get the same effect besides sexual stimulation is calorie free hehe

That's what I meant though... this whole real sex, fake sex argument is just odd to me since the brain thinks it's all the same thing.

Interesting and thought-provoking replies.

Given the current poll results :
Yes, always. 40 47.62%
Yes, usually. 32 38.10%
About half the time. 8 9.52%
No, rarely. 2 2.38%
No, never. 2 2.38%
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I would say that the majority of people deem "sex for sale" - as Linden Lab uses it in context of their event advertisement policy - to be in context of Second Life. As in - we're talking AV sex / phone sex / etc, not RL sex.

I don't think anyone really thinks that any SL escort is doing RL hooking - I think that's clear enough. However, the points raised by Cristiano, Snowcrash and others raise an interesting question:

Does Linden Lab mean "sex for sale" in the context of Second Life, or do they mean people advertising for RL hookers?

I would make an assumption and say the prior, based on the fact that all other advertising is for things going on in-world, and all other rules corresponding to event posting / advertising is in the same context. In plain English, it's my understanding that Linden Lab's policy refers to in-game AV/phone/text cybersex.

If this is indeed the case, I believe Linden Lab could resolve that ambiguity by specifically asserting that the rule applies to these things.

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Now, whether or not Linden Lab should have this policy of banning this advertising - well, that's a whole nother topic, I really don't want to discuss it as it's so heated, but you folks are welcome to without me.

I think it's another issue, as well, that if escort is a synonym for "av/text sex provider" - as the poll implies - whether the word "escort" should be specifically included in Linden Lab's no-no advertising list.

well, i am female and i don't think escorts in SL necessarily implies sex for sale. however, it does imply that there is that possibility but for me, escort in a club just means that... an escort. to me, it is an equivalent to what 'guest relational officers' do in clubs and asian karaoke bars, they entertain the customers, fill up their drinks, flirt with them, make suggestive banter, lets the customer 'cop a feel' and if they so wish to hire her for her sexual favours, that's totally between the hostess and the customer. so no, it does not necessarily mean sex for sale, unless the customer or the escort wishes it to be that way and strike up a sale.

Maybe I should have been more explicit - escort as in "sex for sale is available" ... people do hire prostitutes for non-intercourse things.

p.s. Holy carp, 4000th post!

Very short-sighted. If it isn't 'escort' it will be something else.

Really, then your criticism is not with my query into whether LL should extend their policy's "bad words for advertising", but with Linden Lab in the first place for banning more blatant synonyms?

No, as previously stated, my criticism was of your decision to ruin someone's 'Help Wanted' post by using it as your soapbox, then refusing to admit what you did was wrong.

But feel free to continue trying to distract from that. It's kind of funny to watch.

As long as they are both concenting adults and they are both pleased. I say go for it. What ever floats your boat. What two ppl do behind the keyboard is only their business. Cyber away Feel free to screw in the bushes on my islands lol.

Mar

Okay, you wanna get personal? We're referring to other threads?

Would you like me to post one of a host of attacking posts you've made in other threads?

No. Why? It's completely irrelevant.

You said your peace in the other thread.

1.)That post did NOT violate, or skirt, TOS. I posted about a job opportunity in the employment oppotunities forum, using appropriate language. The thread was not locked because I posted about escorts; the thread was locked because you began an attack on that post, people disagreed with you, and the post turned into a verbal fist fight.

2.) I consider $25L an hour to be a fair wage. Let's do some math. Let's say Hiro goes to Bad Girls and is hired as an escort. He's new, kinda shy, and not really putting much effort into flirting with the folks that come in. That's ok, he's still making a bit of money. But then he goes out, buys a new skin and a sexy little thong, and before you know it, four different people have paid Hiro to spend some time in their company. So in three hours, Hiro has made over $2000L

Now explain to me how that is a piss poor salary.

From Merriam Webster:
es·cort -
1 a (1) : a person or group of persons accompanying another to give protection or as a courtesy (2) : the man who goes on a date with a woman b : a protective screen of warships or fighter planes or a single ship or plane used to fend off enemy attack from one or more vulnerable craft
2 : accompaniment by a person or an armed protector (as a ship)

From Encarta:
1. protector on journey: one or more persons accompanying somebody or something as a guard or guide, or as a mark of honor
2. male social partner: a man accompanying a woman on a social occasion
3. hired social partner: a man or woman who is hired to accompany another person as a companion, especially to a social event or entertainment
4. military accompanying military vessel or aircraft: one or more warships or fighter aircraft accompanying a larger, more vulnerable ship or aircraft as protection
5. protection on journey: protection or restraint provided by an escort

From Wikipedia:
Possible meanings of the word escort:
1. A sex worker engaged in acts of prostitution.
2. A person who accompanies another person to a location or (usually formal) event such as a ball, cotillion or wedding to provide protection, support, or company (in a non-sexual way).
3. A person who accompanies another person or group of persons in order to guide them or guard them, such as a medical escort.
4. A type of ship used by navy fleets, typically to protect other ships or convoys.
5. The Ford Escort, a model of car.
6. verb to accompany someone

Interesting that out of THREE different sources, only ONE has "A sex worker engaged in acts of prostitution" as a possible meaning. The word means different things, depending on who you talk to. It's rather like the word PUTZ -- it can either mean male genitalia... or someone who acts like male genitalia.

skirt - as in a borderline case that Linden Lab does not rule against because it's not 100% clear. LL, as a de facto policy, does not take restrictive actions on borderline cases.


So I'm assuming the 2000L was mostly from tips? In that case, the 25L an hour has almost nothing to do with the income earned.

And you bring up an excellent point - the person is now spending 1000L for a basic skin, or several thousand for a nice custom skin, money for clothing, etc ... and where is the money now? Sure, buying the uniform, I understand.

Do you recommend "a new skin and a sexy little thong" to all your employees who "may or may not" be engaging in sexual conversation? From your description, it does not sound very likely that your use of "escort" is anything but sexual in nature.

And I dare you to challenge that a thong and a new skin as a uniform is not sexual.

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Look at the poll. It's clear that 85% of people believe "escorts" in SL mean sex for sale. 10% believe there's about a 50% chance it's sex for sale. I think it's very clear what you are advertising when you want to hire "escorts".

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If Linden Lab chooses to ban "sex for sale" advertising, it's likely due to legal reasons as pointed out by another poster. There's so many bad posts and ads and events listed - and it's a personal gripe of mine. Don't take this personally - I'm sure your club is fun, and you treat your people with respect, and I like to visit clubs and chill out and dance myself when I need to unwind.

I just hate spammers, and that's what making bad event posts in. Take a look through the forums, and you'll see a host of people complaining that their events are lost in a sea of spam events - yard sales that arent' there, plain old advertisements of products filling up events, 24/7 activities billed as events ... and into employment opp classified - you have a lot of good jobs, but seeing spam creep in is just a pet peeve.

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If you think this is unfair, I recommend you petition Linden Lab to change its position about advertising "sex for sale". I didnt' make the rule. I never even said I agree with the rule; there's a lot of points on both side to consider.

But I hate to see people skirt the rules and flaunt it, yannow?

As a part of the sex industry in SL, you are skirting hipocrisy. I am not gonna say you are right, or wrong, but the fact is, you never bothered to find out the details of compensation that an escort at BG is entitled to. That's an awful lot of posts to make, a lot of time to waste, making uninformed statements. You are a smart man, a talented one, man put your time to better use.
A companion. Chosen because of their sex to accompany an individual and give them the comfort of their company. Like I said, if you want to demand that the value of these services is undercompensated, at least get all the facts first. IM me in game, and I will tell you what you would be paid if you were hired as an Escort. Sure the thought must turn your stomach, as we can all see. At least then you will know what you are talking about, when taking all this time and making all this effort to make a point that frankly, people have been trying to force feed the rest for CENTURIES. Companionship is not illegal, anti TOS, or immoral. What takes place as a result of that relationship, is not to be assumed.
, If someone chooses to purchase top of the line tools so that they can offer top notch services, that is entirely up to them. There is no "catch". Say I'm a builder, if I buy the top of the line saw my cuts are straighter, my fits tighter, my waste less and people will pay me more because overall my work is of higher quality.
I could go on and on here, but I am frankly not gonna waste any more time arguing philosophies, politics, or morals with someone who is unwilling to examine all relavent evidence before attempting to debate an issue. I am available most days, and welcome your communication. Believe me, I am not out to get you, when I say that your opinion has been formed without the full knowledge you should have, I mean it. I have read all your posts, and I am frankly saddened that you did not contact me sooner, so that at least your material in these forums could have been more substantiated, and therefore the discussion, maybe at the least, a little more productive.

2k in tips shit I need tho ppl to come entertain at my games my hosts arn't making that kind of scratch.

Now that's entertainment!

Mar

Jessee,

Whoa. I can't say I agree with you, but ... thanks for giving me a good laugh. (I think that your approach was lighthearted?)

I try

Nice try, but the attack you made in the 'other thread' was both what initiated THIS one as well as being something you've apparently trying to distance yourself from.... all of which is relevant to the point -- that point being that you did something wrong and as yet still seem to have no remorse whatever for it.

You asked why I posted. I answered you. If you dislike the answers you receive, perhaps you might consider not asking the question. You see, things that you wish were rhetorical often are not, and I am under no obligation to feed your ego or wish fulfillment.

As to the insinuation that I have 'said enough', yes, I said my piece in several places and despite your apparent belief otherwise, you are not the arbiter of what is 'enough' when it comes to my expression of my thoughts.

Not only this, I will very likely continue to express my thoughts without consulting or caring for what you happen to think about them.

Shocking, I know.

But here -- a remedy for you -- If you are as sensitive to that reality as you are to the one that not all escorts are hookers, I suggest you either stop reading my posts or, if you find yourself unable to exercise the willpower that requires, put me on ignore.

And for the record, if you're going to try and politicize something, you need to learn how to do so effectively. I'm afraid calling your opponent's history into question when they aren't the ones who've stepped in it isn't something that works.

Finally, I find it highly amusing that, faced with all the varied meanings of the word 'escort', you're just about the only one who is still insisting that you know what the original poster meant, especially in the face of them telling you point blank that their escorts are not just about sex. I didn't think that level of arrogance could be sustained for such a long period of time. I accept that I was wrong on that count. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Calorie burning if ya do it right!



Don't make me take your word for that Mart. Although my afro might poke out above the bushes and I'd be so busted.

Hiro,

I wonder if you are aware that in RL, in all but 3 US states, restaurants do not have to pay waiters and waitresses minimum wage. As a result of this, they subsist mainly off their tips.
Are you writing letters in RL about this? I mean, they only get paid a couple bucks an hour, and believe you me, I can tell you from real experience, during slow times, it ain't shit. But that's ok, because it's generally accepted that they work for tips. Is this really about your *ire* at the wages the escorts are being paid? I mean, this isn't a *real job* after all, it's a bit of extra L$. How much do you make per hour in SL?

And *Hate*? Isn't that a strong word? Are you sure it's the *spammers* you *hate*? Why are you not jumping on other threads with different subjects then? There's plenty that would fit your definition of spam, which, btw, is a stretch. *shrugs* Are you sure it's not about your moral stance? Because it sure seems to be bleeding through. I wish I could see what you said in the thread that sparked this one, so I could have a better handle on where you are coming from, but unfortunately, you've edited your comments over there.

In the end, instead of attacking people based upon assumptions and getting their thread closed down, I really think you should report it to LL if it bothers you and then move on, vs. starting multiple threads about it and taking people to task yourself. Let LL decide what constitutes sex advertising or spam, and let the people who are working for those wages decide what is or isn't substandard pay. Otherwise you simply come off as arrogant and to be honest, because you are all over the place with your reasoning against this, you cause people to question whether or not you are representing your true intentions.

I would recommend seeing a reading tutor. I never said all were. I said most were. The poll shows that my perception matches the public's perception.

If you have a problem with the public, take it up with more than just me.


Thanks, if I ever want to politicize something, I will take that under consideration.


I find it highly amusing that you can't read the poll's numbers.

Of course I'm aware of that. I don't think that's right either. However in SL, I have a much higher possibility of addressing such an issue than one that is prevailant nationwide.

I think we should start a SL gun registry


Oh... Escorts = Pie