Inventory Management

well what i was thinking was, having one cube, and cubes within that cube, you would only need to rent a 16sqm bit of land just to put 1 cub with lots of cubes inside it with most your inv you dont use, meaning it wont get del and will help make sl a better place

Not bad. Tricky, but not bad.

Bad idea. This is NOT an "other MMORPG". This is not an MMORPG to begin with. It's an MMO-thing, but not an RPG. I play RPGs when I want to do the inventory-dance game, along with the other 'games' they present. I come here when I /dont/.

Before you even consider something as bad as this, look into the other hojillion suggestions that have been made throughout the ages, such as:

-Huns' most recent selection about a deep archive

-Impliment Drag-and-Drop multi-selection and the like: I dont even BOTHER to manage my inventory right now, it's too painful!

-Allow local export of objects we have full perms on: 75% of my inventory at least is crap like this: Stuff that I've made, don't want to loose, but don't have any particular need for in the forseeable future. Let me save this stuff to my hard drive and let ME worry about it. If I have full perms anyhow, who cares? I've got untold gigs to spare to store my stuff on. And I could burn it to a DVD once I did: That way I could be sure my data wasnt going anywhere.

-Do more client-side caching of the lookup data. This should at least help with the lag assosiated with opening inventorys and searching for stuff.

Limiting inventory sounds like a reasonable thing for the Linden's to do. It is hugely unfair for some people to use a much larger part of the database than others, but for all to suffer any ill effects.


If inventory were based on how much you pay a month, That might be fair also.

I am only a free suscriber but I am realistic, if you limited me to 1000 or whatever items , I could survive, actually wouldnt hurt me much at all.

1000 items is less than 4% of my inventory. And my inventory is SMALL compared to a lot of old timers.

Allow us to transfer inventory with full permissions. If it were easier to change perms on items, I'd hand all of my older items to a rarely-used alt. Want to know another good use for an alt account? Pack mule.

And that gives me another idea. LL could *finally* give us those mules they promised. Let the mules carry all the extra stuff.

Ok I shut my mouth when Philip hinted at this durning the last town hall. I shut my mouth when I read about and other therories in the forums as to the reason behind the slow log in times.

Now I am done shutting up.

You know what I think.... I think this is an easy excuse to get more money out of your player base. What am I paying for? I am paying a subscription fee, I am paying a tier fee. I am paying to upload any image, animation, or sound file.

Now this isn't the first time I have heard "hints" coming from the lindens over charging for my inventory. Or hints about allowing only a cerrtain amount of inventory.

I will not passivly sit by and say "oh kewl idea if it helps the grid I'm all for it".
Oh hell no!

What exactly am I paying for again?
My fees pay for me to visit my rented land from LL and they pay for me to visit my content. They pay for me to visit yours too. They pay for me to buy your content. They pay for me to socialize with you. They pay for me to be as creative as I wish.

I'm sincerely sorry your system is so flawed but; I will not "pay" more than I do now for your previous mistakes in the database, the servers, the code. What ever the problem ends up being.

Charge me more? NO WAY.

I got a solution for you. Do not allow free accounts to have storage without paying a fee.

Hell yes I'm crying foul. Why the hell arn't you?

Cat

Yeah Pathfinder, storage would be great.

Personally I hate my inventory and I'm at the lower end of the number of items people seem to be carrying around with them. Owning 5000 items is a constant battle of sorting, creating folders, organizing. When I can get back in I'm going to streamline.

allow me to store my inventory on my own computer hows that for a solution.

The down side I have with inventory fees is what it might do to the sl economy. Will people stop buying?

Im going to put all of my inventory into a single prim, cut a hole in it, attach a sex ball and then f*ck over everything I own.

Um thats kind of my point.

Why do you need so many items?

How many outfits, vehicles, buildings, etc. are enough?

What if it was 1000 for free supscripts , 5000 for subscribers, and 1000 more for every level of tier?

I think LL would run into a problem with reference counts, on textures at least.

If I developed and marketed the Incredibly Trendy One-Prim Wonder, and use some tasteful uploaded texture to decorate it, LL would never know when they could safely delete that texture from their central servers, because they'd never know when my last customer had tossed their copy into the garbage.

Or I could be making all of this up...maybe LL doesn't reference-count texture files and other assets?

-- jj

This one sounds very reasonable. If it would work?

Tied to land ownership = no

Um because it could be solved if it were saved on the client side Limitations on inventory would be based on individuals storage copacity not Linden Labs.

Usage cap = NO! Ok lets just friggen Limit the Content Creators ...its discrimination I tell ya

Fee for extra storage = Realy Well lets bring back friggen Land taxes while we are at it to.

Local BACKUP=yes...Yes yes yes yes...PERIOD

Mutliple drag and drop = Um that would be Nice OOOOH Yeah definately Nice....

I wouldnt use a banking facility because I trust no one cept LL. Banking Facilities would allow players possible access to Scripts copyright infringement and a TON of other stuff that would create major hassels...

Imagine being at a party...Johnny..."Oh OH I want to show you this really cool Rave Stick I got back in BETA....Shit its in the bank and the bank is closed...sorry guess we cant hook up now huh?"

See how silly all these Ideas are.....Oh well the Feted Elite will get their way and we will be stuck with another bullshit system...hmmmpff.

Shadow

I don't think this was the intent, LL is hardly a company trying to "gouge" their customer base.
LL is infinitely careful about how much money is IN sl at any given time. They're aware of a games fragile economy. If LL was just trying to make another buck, they'd be the ones selling their money.

I think they're honestly trying to work with us on finding a solution both sides can be happy with. If they up and decided they'd give us a "temp folder" in inventory, there would be an uproar. Now that we're being asked our opinions on possible future content, there's an uproar (from a few). And its not as if they're enforcing anything, you're more than welcome to manage your own inventory, whether that be prim storage, notecards, or backing up your images yourself, (although currently time consuming), and of course, purging old inventory items you may never need again. Seems to me LL is recognizing there is an issue, and trying to get feedback from us on what solution would be acceptable--and for the most part there are some REALLY good ideas proposed here.

Cat this makes how many times WE have asked for this??? what 1000, 2 at best??

For us oldtimers its kinda getting old isnt it??

Also Cat note its not sarcasm at you but with you ....one of these days they will listen to US.

Shadow

I couldnt help but notice this was NOT an idea put forth by Pathfinder.

Seems we keep heading more and more in the direction of taxes and user fees based upon resource drain. (This is called "Socialism" people)

Heres a thought...it was used in another game I belonged to..RECYCLE BINS...If you dont need it/want it..dump it in the RECYCLE bin and you get back the $L you paid to create it or upload it. If you purchased it, have a flat refund amount based upon its
prim content. Textures and Snapshots by others could be handled the same way.

This would also create a "secondary" refuse/recycle market.

(When I was a kid..many eons ago..we used to collect popbottles and trade them for candy..my dentist/periodontist benefitted tremendously from this childhood endeavor)

I'd rather the archiving system to the banking system personally.

Let's say it takes 5 minutes to get something (or with multiple selections several somethings) out of my inventory. That is a relatively long time I suspect. Compare that to going to the bank, waiting for everything to load, opening the vault, waiting for everything to load, removing the item and so on. Then going back to where I was before.

That sounds like more than 5 minutes to me...

Aliases to items YES please.
Multidrag and drop YES please.
Charging for excessive usage - no thanks, snapshots, scripts, clothes etc. it all builds up and I'm not a huge creator of new products.
Auto archiving - a 'you lasted touched this x weeks ago' feature - make it easy on the users to do it.
I quite like the temp folder idea too, although it needs to be set up differently to 2 days then auto-delete - what happens if I go away for the weekend?
Better management tools - YES please. Something so I can easily tell what the object is without rezzing or wearing it first would be nice, without me having to take a photo and put it in the folder too!

Um ever think of the Content Creators that provide this stuff for you???
Just cause one person likes Outfit A doesnt mean that another doesnt want Outfit JJ...

Each upload costs money so...should we delete it after we upload it and sell it once???

See none of these arguments are making any COMMON SENSE.

TEMP FOLDERs...Um isnt that like double work on the system...Damn if you think the asshat server is having problems now imagine having to keep up with two databases...

Gah, I give up...

Ya'll need to look at the big picture while we are at it.

Johnny AV is a content creator he sells stuff
Judy AV is a social butter fly she mostly buys stuff.

Johnny is selling a kick ass plane he knows Judy will love.

Judy TP's to see the plane and then realizes this pretty plane will put her over her "inventory limit" and if she realy wants this lovely 2k plane she will have to pay LL an extra $20 a month.

Judy is a shopper yes but shes not stupid, she doesn't buy the plane.

What happens to Johnny's shop?

Do the math. If ppl are gonna get charged for inventory usage they will shop less.

Cat

Ok enough of the spin doctor schtick here ... whether the items are in your inv or in some mystical "storage area", they're going to take up the same amount of room, and in this case that means disc usage. So what Pathfinder is really saying is, "Hey, we need more servers so how about if you pay for them instead of us?"

Let's see, I pay $72 US per year for membership, I just paid $980 US for an island, and I'll now be paying $195 US per month in tier fees. And you want to take storage off of me and offer me the "opportunity" to pay to store what I already had.

Need I even say it ..... NO. No matter how you try to spin it, it's another attempt to get even more money from us, and it's just getting pathetic now. :/

NO it wasnt put up by Pathfinder..but it was put up Multitudes of times by OLD members that have seen this BS comming for a while.




Oh, so They are saying we should go back to the days prior to 1.2..taxation and massive loopholes for people to figure out...Nah dont think so.
I think we all should share in the resource capabilities...such as storing inventory textures and such on our Clients and the only active textures and such shown in a sim would be maintained by that sim. Once an Item is purchased it would revert to personal inventory and then when it was rezed in a new sim that sim would pull data intialy from the individuals client and keep a copy in the sim as long as the Item was rezed...but Im thinking out loud again am I not?




This is a good Idea Stroker but, it would be easily manipulated cause little johnny would res 100 boxes...put an uploaded texture on it and then ..off to the recycle bin with em...for L$ 1 each Viola 1000 lindens for a minimal amount of work...without the ability to check for valid creations this would be abused to no end.

Shadow.

WELL .. no, maybe my numbers are off ... you tell me how many items are enough?

How many items do content providers need then? maybe base a reasonable number off of that.

Basically the issue as I understand it is .. Unlimited inventories are a problem, Somehow they need some finite limit.

I hear ya Shad loud and clear!

Cat