The Temp-on-Rezzer Test

TOR'ing objects on land that has reached it's prim limit is an exploit. It is adversly effecting the other residents of the sim. LL is loosing money because of this practice. Prim limits were put on sims for a reason, this tactic is simply a way to circumvent LL's imposed prim limits.

If you have hit your prim limits, the solution is simple, buy more land.

I too worry that LL may severly nerf the TOR function because of people abusing it.

On second thought, I am going to respond to this, because the assumptions here are annoying.

The 15000 prim limit isn't a limitation of the system. The lindens have always known that could be changed at a whim - they set it where it is deliberatly. This so-called "advancement" isn't - nothing was discovered but a way to game the system, to turn a concession on the part of the lindens to HELP content creators into a way to get around the limitation LL imposed. That is NOT "advancing the world" or anything of the type, it's cheating, plain and simple.

Developing faux mutlidimensional arrays in LSL, THAT was advancing the world. Developing ways of saving texture memory, allowing for better texturing of objects with less performance hit, that's advancing the world. Figuring out how to break an arbitrary rule that was put there for the health of the system is not, because you haven't achieved anything new.

This isn't even a new idea - back when Temp on Rez was fixed in 1.3, a lot of us knew that this could be done - it took about two seconds from reading the patch notes to idea. It's been deliberatly not done, because it's clearly circumventing a restriction the lindens developed for the health of the system.

I'm not threatening anyone.

If you haven't noticed with LL's recent history, with, say, the land exploiter, LL doesn't always know what the hell it's talking about.

Where does the T in TOR come from? Temp. Which stands for what? Right. Temporary.

So your supposition is that anyone who can figure out how to set up a ToR system is to stupid to figure out the concept of prim limits?

Worked for some of the items. Thank the gods that the glasses were given to me

I am abiding by the rules. That's the point.

I use TOR's, yes. I watch sim performance closely and constantly tweak the rezzers looking for problems or things that make them better. I speak with my neighbors daily. They all know I use them and I have removed some that caused problems I didn't see due to this.

It's not always to go beyond a prim limit. One rezzes a different statue every so often. Constantly changing them out. basically just like the vendor holos.

Another point was brought up that it's silly to purchase another 512m for 10 more prims that might not even be used tomorrow.

Then there is staying well below your limit (even counting the TORed prims) so that you can build in your own land, going over your limit temporarily.

I agree with, CJ. Don't make your own reasons based on a feeble and amoral reinterpretations.

It is my beief (and I may be wrong, I ahve been and will be again) that LL is sitting back and watching this to see waht may come of it. That youthink it is a problem is something else they are probably watching.

All I am saying are there are other, legitimate, uses for TOR other than holo-vendors. That you haven't thought of them, doesn't make them wrong.

Impeeding any new creation in such a creative environment is VERY wrong, imo.

If you worry about it, do tests as I ahve, and as the OP has. Or make the usage better if you posess the skills. There are myrid ways to improve everything around us in SL everyday. Complaining about others doing it isn't one of them though.

~Jessy

Personally, I dont think that trying to find ways to circumvent rules and restrictions is an advancement to SL; and is not finding a better way to do things.

It's my view that trying to find ways to circumvent rules and restrictions is selfish, setting one's own interests above everything, including any sense of right and wrong.

I agree; there is no slippery slope here. Using such devices to bypass prim restrictions on land is wrong and an abuse.

There is no system limitation stopping anyone from exporting script lag, either.

I have four sims full of very commercially active people.

I could buy a patch of land in a mainland sim, and easily stock it with everyone's JEVN servers (and FAR worse).



On the cheap, my sims could bask in a low lag environment, while everyone in the victimised mainland 'server farm sim' would wonder what suddenly happened one day.

It's not exactly the same kind of lag. But maybe I could export enough script lag so that MY customers can use lots of temp-on-rezzers?

Nah, I'm not doing this. But abuse is abuse - some things we shouldn't do, even if we can.

My supposition is that people bought the device from a legitimate shop in world, read the instructions and used it. You have forgotten what it is to be new and unsure about the world.

These forums are the only place I have seen that points out how bad an idea it is, which I agree it is.

Going around ARing people going about their business without realising anything is wrong is horrible.

IT's an advancement if people use this to possibly find a way to rez prims causing less load and less lag on the sim. I'm fairly sure everyone everywhere would love more prims that didn't kill a sim-server.

Or am I mistaken in this too?

~Jessy

Then it doesn't need to be temp on rez.



Too bad. Find a way to work within the system - delete a chair.



Nobody promise you unlimited prims on your plot to build with - go to sandbox if you have used up too many to build your new SuperPrim Bed(TM).



That's exactly what your doing though.



Exactly. I'd rather it not get taken away when the realize people cant be trusted with it.



Red herring - I've thought of them, trust me. And I've listed reasons in other threads, if you bothered to read any posts i've made before this one. None of which apply to the temp-on-rez multirez debate.



Great. Too bad that's not what I'm doing or advocating, or you might ALMOST have a point.



Here is my way to make the usage better: Stop using them.

That defense would also work for people buying sim nukes. I cut them no more slack. At some point, having no common sense has to count for something.

Agreed, and at that point, I'll stop conversing with you *chuckles* Come back when you want to look at both sides. I admit, readily, that over-use of this system is bad. But chucking it on that assumption is just stupid.

As for the Exporting Script Lag post above by Desmond:

Couldn't a conglomerate of vendors, and landbarons for vendors get together and buy an island sim for rezzing of the vendors there? Would this still put the lag away from the sale point? Never dealt with this so just throwing an idea out. If the island cost was split among enough people, this might be feasable if you can "transfer" lag away from the main sim. Maybe a low-traffic sim to go with the low-prim sims LL is selling now for vendors to put these on. *shrugs* Something else to think about.

~Jessy

Yes it can be used to justify bad behaviour like nuking a sim, but for someone rezing a small statue on their own land, I think the defence is very apt and true. There is a difference in the two cases! We are not all intent on breaking the rules and ruining the game, just struggling to find our way in SL sometimes.

I'm glad most people I have met inworld do not have this attitude! Most people have been friendly and very helpful.

Yes, you are.

LMAO, That was informative and relevant as well.

Seems Jonas is the only one that feels toughtful discussion is worthwhile. Duely noted.

~Jessy

You make a very common mistake.

I see it from both sides.

That doesn't mean I agree with your side.

In no concievable way is rezzing the same group of prims once every 45 second less resource intensive than keeping them rezzed.

That works, and in fact, is done by some.

But it will never be as cheap as exporting a lot of nasty stuff into a sim full of clueless new players.

I don't do it, though I well could.



I'm pretty sure that the Company is going to take away a great deal in the coming months and years.

The trajectory is always the same, anywhere:

- someone markets a 'hack'
- the popular hack spreads virally
- the capability is nerfed when the system fails to keep up

It's just a matter of time.


Forgive my opinion, but Reitsuki is dead right on this one.

When all the noobs have temp-on-rezzers (and why not? they can save a lot of money each month, right?) god help the mainland.

*shrugs* Possibly, but then why not work on it extensively with those who understand the effects and want to avoid the problems and fix it to a point it's not a problem?

Like you siad, it's out there. It's not going to go away except by LL nerfing the LSL script. So why not make it work if we can, in a way that works for everyone?

My whole point from teh begining.

~Jessy

You clearly don't understand the effects. There is NO fix. Re-rezzing objects with a script uses sim resources over and above a permanently rezzed object. No amount of optimisation can eliminate this fact.

What don't you understand about PRIM LIMIT ? This is not only a technical but a COMMERCIAL decision made by LL. You pay for more prims. EVERY land owner however new knows this. You are stealing resources from LL by virtue of not paying the agreed fee for the number of prims you require. Still care to morally justify your use of them ?

You are correct. With attitudes like yours they're not going to go away. It still doesn't justify their use by you or anyone else in the light of the reasons given to you. You're still selfish and in the wrong.

EVERY script uses resources. PRims or not. So get off your high f-ing horses and see that! I've seen ONE poorly written script hurt sim performance more than any rezzer. There are alos all those poor builds that interpolate prims that cause lag. So get the hell off the "it's using system resources that I wanna use! WAH! WAH! WAH!" Here's your freaking cheese with that whine.

Sheesh! You people think you know everything. NOTHING is set is stone in this world. Anything could change form one day to the next. I might not be THE tech guru, but I know that.

Thankfully LL is the ones to make the decisions, not the blinded vocal few here. You stay in your own selfish little world and the rest of use will continue to try to make it better. We'll stumble and make mistakes (and yes, this might be one) but at least we're trying.

Just because YOU can't see a fix, doesn't mean there isn't one. So grow up and realise you're not the best.

And before you try to turn that and say neihter am I, let me say it. Neither am I. But I talk with those who will -intelligently- and work with more than one. I'll continue to work on this or any other project I feel like.

If you don't like it tough!

Now go troll another post and show how petty you are once more.

~Jessy

Right Jessy, i saw so much haircuts..with high resolution Texels and Prims that produces more loadlag anf graphicslag as an ToR. I saw so much bad written code that produces more lag (one script) as 30 ToR`s.

Linden gave the possibility to script, linden gave the possibility to ToR....so whats wrong ?

yeah there is the commercial Mind behind this : Prim Limit...but otherwise not all ppl has such much Money irl etc..to by xxx sqm more land...and ToR is for me offically then a Abuse of the System...when Linden Labs declares it as Abuse...before this..it for me only a small grayzone...and as irl....to use grayzones isnt forbidden....lawers do it...concerns do it etc.



So now to all... cool down.

Point Discussion ended.

Temp on rez is created for things like bullets, bombs and all that. I use temp on rez for fish in a fishing rod. It's used in many SL creations where you don't want to leave a bunch of prims laying around. A million uses. It is NOT any kind of advancement to use it to PERM rez over your limit. Really it's quiet simple.

To think stealing extra resourses from your neighbours is some kind of scientific advancement is just meh. Perhaps i should take 10 seconds to write a temp rezzer and post if here for us all to share in the glory of this advancement.

I'm not an asshole (most of the time), but i'd sure tell anyone trying to steal extra resourses from my sim to get clue.