14 Day Suspension for Global Attack???

Well, Flip, it's like this... some of us actually work for a living instead of sucking away mommy and daddy's retirement funding to sit at college and game on their connection instead of working on that term paper.

I'm sure when you grow up and get out in the real world, you'll understand these things.

To clarify, the Police Blotter reports a 14-day suspension as part of our disciplinary process, it does not currently report bannings, that is something we plan to add in the future, along with the results of the Resident Review panel that is automatically triggered when someone recieves a 14 days suspension.

Further, while some Residents who recieve a 14-day suspension do survive the automatic review for ban that accompanies it, those who commit grid-wide (global) attacks do not. Again, to be absoulately clear, those who commit global attacks do NOT get this same process, there is no Review panel, and they are normally automatically banned, per our Community Standards/TOS. Also, as posted here, our legal team is also investigating other methods of enforcement.

It better be. If this is all, this is extremely pathetic.

Every time one of these bullshit attacks happen, it costs me HOURS of time to recover, not to mention the business is costs me. I'm just one of many - it costs US a hell of a lot more time and effort than LL. It pisses me off when we seem to care more about the stability of their product than they do. I'm one of LL's biggest supporters, but am really peeved that they still haven't done anything even as these grid-wide attacks continue to grow more and more frequent.

I'm going to continue to be peeved until we hear something about them actually doing something to dissuade these useless pieces of flesh from wasting a lot of my - and other citizen's - time. Time that is now increasing valuable as P2P without privacy controls makes getting any meaningful work done nearly impossible.

Regards,

-Flip

One poster said that an individual had to prove he or she lost $5,000 in order to take action in a class action lawsuit, but I wonder if that equates one legal entity. If there were a guild (say Jennyfur and Flipper together might be JenFlip Inc.?) or a corporate entity, wouldn't that count? I am thinking this might be of use in future, should these grid attacks continue. How many people would you have to group with before you had lost $5000 in, say, 3-5 hours of downtime?

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Also, as posted here, our legal team is also investigating other methods of enforcement.

What exactly is a resident review panel? Is that something Linden Lab has where they review residents, or does it mean there is actually a committee of residents who review infractions and mete out a recommendation?

Thank you for taking the time to post this. I really do think it would do you much good to have something like this under 'announcements' for instances where people have been really very put upon as a result of such attacks.

My $0.02 worth.

A resident review panel appears to be what's going on when you receive an eMail from LL telling you the bare anonymous details of some transgressor and asking you to vote yay or nay to banning them.

The issue I have with it is that in my opinion you aren't given sufficient information to make an informed decision due to LL's mania for preserving anonymity.

I every case where I have been requested to vote I have voted YES, because:

1) Bearing in mind LL's 'relaxed' attitude to real troublemakers they must have REALLY done something naughty to stir LL to action!

2) Who cares anyway? If they really want back in they will be able to. Well, I could, within an hour, no problem...

Further, while some Residents who recieve a 14-day suspension do survive the automatic review for ban that accompanies it, those who commit grid-wide (global) attacks do not.

Woah. They actually do this? That actually greatly decreases my interest in sticking around. I lurk pretty heavily on these forums and see the kinds of things people do to one another and the last thing I would want is any of these people making the call if I ever got in trouble.

Bear in mind you don't get to know who the person you are judging is. You only get the sketchiest outline of what they have done, no 'pros and cons', no background.

So how are you meant to make an informed choice when you have no information other than 'they did "x"?
ANSWER: You can't. The entire exercise is futile, it's just a pantomime carried out to spare Phil's liberal tendencies from contact with reality.

Now if *I* were in charge it'd all be settled in a highly public show trial that would shame Joe Stalin and his boys...

Bear in mind also just how naughty you have to be to get LL wound up enough to put you on the block!

And yes, the more I read, the more it looks like Linden Lab does a lot of things that are futile. I think I am going to just forget I ever heard about this game. There's just too much drama for me, and I don't like that the company isn't responsible enough.

Thanks for the reply.

I have a very good friend who is currently suspended from here for forum antics. I would be very sad to find out they got permanently banned for losing temper here, while this hosehead who attacked the grid gets due process and the whole ball of wax.

Just doesn't seem right.

And yes, the more I read, the more it looks like Linden Lab does a lot of things that are futile. I think I am going to just forget I ever heard about this game. There's just too much drama for me, and I don't like that the company isn't responsible enough.

Thanks for the reply.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Cienna, if you only knew Flip personally, you'd realize what a total idiot you sound like. I realize you're probably not an idiot and that you don't know him, but still, as someone who does, I can't help but laugh hysterically at the lunacy of that comment.

I'll leave it up to Flip what he does and does not want to share about his personal life, so without going into detail, I'll just say this. He's one of the hardest working, most intelligent, most driven, and most balanced people I know. He's accomplished more and built a better life for himself at his age than almost anyone I've ever met. If you only knew.

I have a very good friend who is currently suspended from here for forum antics. I would be very sad to find out they got permanently banned for losing temper here, while this hosehead who attacked the grid gets due process and the whole ball of wax.

Well, Philip Linden did come to the Winter Expo bonfire event yesterday (Wednesday, 12/14) and say that all global grid attacks would be handed over to the FBI. Of course that was right before he was hit with a C4 bomb that blew everyone out of the sim...

Just curious, but this "very good friend" would happen to be you would it? I'm curious how you've just recently started posting (all of 6 posts), just joined within the past few weeks, and already have a very good friend?

Its suspicious is all I'm sayin'! Quite suspicious.

Regards,

-Flip

I'll leave it up to Flip what he does and does not want to share about his personal life, so without going into detail, I'll just say this. He's one of the hardest working, most intelligent, most driven, and most balanced people I know.

Woah. They actually do this? That actually greatly decreases my interest in sticking around. I lurk pretty heavily on these forums and see the kinds of things people do to one another and the last thing I would want is any of these people making the call if I ever got in trouble.

Edit to add -- Apparently, it isn't 'really bad people' who get reviewed. Apparently, every time someone is suspended, they get reviewed for a ban, or so says the Linden that posted earlier in this thread:

You forgot "wackiest," and "most twisted" ("twistedest"?).



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Well, Philip Linden did come to the Winter Expo bonfire event yesterday (Wednesday, 12/14) and say that all global grid attacks would be handed over to the FBI. Of course that was right before he was hit with a C4 bomb that blew everyone out of the sim... ?

Just curious, but this "very good friend" would happen to be you would it? I'm curious how you've just recently started posting (all of 6 posts), just joined within the past few weeks, and already have a very good friend?

Its suspicious is all I'm sayin'! Quite suspicious.

Regards,

-Flip

To clarify, the resident review panel is ONLY triggered when someone recieves a 14-day suspension - then they are reviewed for ban, given the level of seriousness neccesary to get a 14-day suspension. I'm sorry if that was unclear from my post. Read more about the Resident Review Panel here

Hi Jeska. I did read that. I guess I'm just bothered by the idea that getting suspended from the forums for something is considered as bad as blowing up the game. I have like, four friends that I really enjoy in SL and you're basically telling me one of them is looking at a ban for something that didn't even happen in the game.

Just seems kind of over the top.

I'm sorry if that was still confusing, the Community Standards cover all community spaces of Second Life - from inworld to email IMs, in-world movement, and forum/website behavior. It's all connected. Typically, no one event can trigger an automatic review for ban; but grid-wide attacks are one of the very few that can. I think we can all agree that this is not over the top.