14 Day Suspension for Global Attack???

Well we wouldn't know everything from a blurb in the police blotter. We obviously don't know all the circumstances, and we are assuming the severity of the offense. Of course if TO enforcement was more even handed, transparent and effective, we would not have this problem, although certainly a few people in the forums currently would also not be around either.

Being naive isn't necessarily a negative thing and Linden Lab has the right to be as slack as they want to be, n'cest pa?

Wow, way to continue your negativity AND put words in my mouth. I probably know the ToS much better than you - where in my post did I say that LL owed me anything for lost time or items? I'll save you the time... I didn't.

As for why I'd expect more than this - well, there was that whole big announcement that they WOULD turn over names to the authorities in the future when grid attacks occured a few weeks back. Or did you miss that one and just decide to rant and generally be a thorn in everyone's side?

Where's your good words about how smoothly the 1.8 launch went? Oh yeah, I forgot. That would ruin your M.O. Its getting old. I raise my voice when I disagree with LL, but I also give them props when they deserve it.

Regards,

-Flip

Well, I used to write script, build, and even dabble in clothing design. However, I try to be polite to my guests when they swing by after seeing my green dot in its familiar location on the map. Now, normally, I'm quite a social guy. But its gotten to the point where I can't get work done when I want to. P2P teleporting makes it even harder too, especially when I'm trying to have a private conversation or on a customer service call.

As for the time crunch, its SLBoutique.com related - when I can plan for downtime, I disable links on the entire SLBoutique domain. However, when its unplanned, often I can't until its too late. This causes the inventory passes required to make SLBoutique work to fail because XMLRPC will still reply, suggesting a passed message, which the GiveInventory command will fail. I then have to manually check to make sure that each item got delivered during the time frame during the attack when my "Buy" links weren't disabled. Its a royal pain in the ass, and takes a few hours of checking each time, so I protect both my buyers and my sellers.

I hope that goes to show why I'm a bit ticked at these wastes of flesh doing this stuff. It costs me valuable time.

Regards,

-Flip

That has BETTER be tempoary action!

Good lord, that's pathetic. How exactly would this make LL look if they did then take legal action:

"Well the prosecution actually let the defendant have complete access to the system again 14 days after the event in question so, erm, well it obviously wasn't that serious now was it and this case is obviously frivolous".

Perhaps this was only an accomplice of some sort.

Yup.

Hello, projection much? I didn't say you would ask for compensation. I said you may as well suck it up because you wouldn't get it if you did ask for it. Believe me, I fully understand you're among the 'they owe me nothing' crowd.



Oh no, I saw it... but, unlike you, I understood it to be marketing 'let's keep people from complaining' fluff and took it as the snake oil it was.... you'd be much happier if you learned to do the same.



Well, Flip, it's like this... some of us actually work for a living instead of sucking away mommy and daddy's retirement funding to sit at college and game on their connection instead of working on that term paper.

I'm sure when you grow up and get out in the real world, you'll understand these things.

(Though admittedly, when it is a slow day, we do have more time to play on the forums.)

Yes, I thought of that, too.

coco

Funny how everyone here always clamors for personal freedoms but then instantly demands the death penalty? If anything this follows real world procedure very well, holding the person for a limited amount of time until they can determine if their allegations are correct.

Suspending the account until an investigation can happen is sensible and reasonable rather than a knee jerk emotional response.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Cienna, if you only knew Flip personally, you'd realize what a total idiot you sound like. I realize you're probably not an idiot and that you don't know him, but still, as someone who does, I can't help but laugh hysterically at the lunacy of that comment.

I'll leave it up to Flip what he does and does not want to share about his personal life, so without going into detail, I'll just say this. He's one of the hardest working, most intelligent, most driven, and most balanced people I know. He's accomplished more and built a better life for himself at his age than almost anyone I've ever met. If you only knew.

Keywords for giveaway being 'at his age'. Thanks for the confirmation. You can always tell the young by their absolute insistance that they are the arbitors of all knowledge.

I don't claim to know him. Judging by his attitude, I don't care if I ever know him. Let's just say if he were half as willing to read for comprehension as insinuation and inference, he'd be more impressive to me. (shrug)

Gabe, you crack me up.

I luv the 4M's!

But that would make you underage, and that's not possible with SL strict age enforcement. Oh but they are incompetent so they didn't put you on the teen grid.

{oops, I better AR myself for this one }

Interesting assumption. Again, I won't disclose anything about anyone else without express permission to do so, but if you need to feel that being older makes you superior, you go right ahead. Just keep in mind, John F. Kennedy was described also described as having accomplished a lot for one so "young" when he was in his 40's. My comment simply meant that I do know people who have accomplished similar things to what Flip has accomplished, but most of them are far older than he. That doesn't necessarily make him any certain age.

Ha! Thanks for the kind words, Chosen and others. I'm sorry if my frustration with these "script kiddies" gets the best of me sometime, but they really piss me off.

Cienna, if you must know, I'm 31 and Head of Technology for a very successful company that does over $30 million of business per year. This company I work for bought the company (an LLC) I founded four years ago and hired my team on as their technology team after the purchase. Before that, I was Principal Software Engineer at an online bank, and prior to that, fresh out of college, a Software Engineer at CDnow.com. I've got no shame about my resume, that's for sure, its been a good decade of employment with some wonderful experiences at some very cool, innovative companies.

I've also met more SLers than just about any other resident, between running the Second Life Community Convention (which was, BTW, widely considered a very good time and a success) and Jennyfur and my travels around the world, who can let you know these claims are true. I'm happily married in RL, and own a home that the wifey and I love.

Care to share your age, RL info, past resume and success stories, Cienna? You're the one who threw down the gauntlet.

I'm really amazed at home some people who clearly derive no pleasure from SL continue to return to troll.

Regards,

-Flip

See this post actually makes me feel better.

I figure if Flip can be negative once in a while then I don't feel so bad when I make stupid remarks that I have to go back and delete.

Sadly, this is kind of a trend; former defenders of LL finally getting pissed off at all the mis-steps and problems.

On the other hand I kind of disagree with what's been said about this attack. Seems like the response was quick and thorough to me. The third attack is often the hardest one to defeat because you dont know what's coming, and this was cleaned up in like, two hours?

Not too shabby of a response I think.

hehehehe, its alright, I still consider myself a fairly staunch LL supported, but not to the point of blindness; I will express my opinions when I disagree, and laud them when they do well. While I agree that the technical response to this grid attack was nothing short of awesome, I do think it could have been avoided in the first place if LL had taken more serious steps during previous attacks / exploits to show these script kiddies that they're not going to take these attack lying down any more. A simple FBI report and an FBI call to the parents of these kids would probably have gotten the word out that LL is playing hard ball now, and prevented this sort of thing from happening.

Now that I've gotten all that negativity out, I will say again: SMOOTHEST. RELEASE. EVER. I can't believe the grid came up EARLIER than predicted. Kudos to that, LL.

Regards,

-Flip

14 days for a global attack? I'll take it. It seems worth it, since I can go that long without logging on anyway. So, shall I schedule something, or just surprise everyone?

Jeez Louise!

Do you people REALLY HONESTLY believe that LL is going to let the guy that attacked the grid last night come back in 14 days?

*shakes her head in wonderment*

just an idea but if I was gonna sue someone and take them to court I would post every last detail to every player of the game that way those players that read the information can tell the banned player the information so they can prepare for a legal battle and prevent me (speaking as a company) from getting them arrested.

14 days is probably just the "Yes we are doing something. No we can't tell you more." answer. More will likly come out after the trial is over...2 years from now.

There's been a history of just that. Plastic Duck was banned when he used an exploit to steal peoples' code - and just today he created another account, logged in, and posted to the forums. A teen who existed on the main grid for 2 years, then admitted he was a teen, went to the teen grid, and got permabanned is back on the main grid again.

To my knowledge, LL has never turned a name over the authorities for a grid-wide attack. There have now been 3 in, what, the last 6 weeks? Hopefully this time something will happen, otherwise, the frequency of this kind of bullshit will increase. The information on the action taken - even without any RL specifics - should be made very public, to dissuade this sort of nonsense from continuing to occur and costing the citizens of SL real life money and time.

Regards,

-Flip

They finally posted that they WERE going to pursue criminal prosecution so give them a chance.

As to the others that came back after a banning I don't know but I agree that something should be done about those people and LL should make it public.

I also thought I read, in another thread, an article about LL having actually turned over personal info to the authorities.

Yeah, exactly. I've never seen a case where the prosecution gave public details about all the evidence and plans they had...would seem to be rather stupid.