Anyone else think we're about to be ass-deep in alts?
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Padu Andalso
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06-06-2006 12:25
From: Cocoanut Cookie That's what I thought at first, too - that all these people might just buy Lindens and buy our things - but, if they aren't required to put in their credit card to sign up (has anyone determined that yet?), then how likely are they going to be to buy Lindens, which requires going to the web site, at least, and put in a credit card?
So that might not be much of an advantage. Maybe the only advantage is getting those numbers on the front page up.
coco How many of us came on going 'I don't need land/lindens/gegaws and doodads, I can make everything I need on public lots and hang out in public spaces". Credit card or no, if they're someone who's going to get hooked into the game here, they'll put in the information to buy the land, by the lindes, buy the doodads and gewgaws. |
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Sansarya Caligari
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06-06-2006 12:28
From: Luciftias Neurocam posting guidelines (any topic):
1) predict doom. Whatever the topic, doom is always in fashion. Doom is the new black.
2) question Linden Lab's motivations. It makes you look all jaded and cynical. The seen-it-all wiseman pose is a massive turn-on for chicks. It's the next best thing to a leather jacket and a sweet ride.
3) if possible, tie the topic into one of your pet peeves. Oftentimes this can be linked to 1) doom and 2) cynicism for added effectiveness.
4) mention something about how this was never going to work anyway, because it neglects the REAL PROBLEMS. An easy segue back into doom. Actually, I don't see doom necessarily. I'm saying I have friends who would love to be in SL but can't because their systems and/or network can't handle it. It needs to be accessible and scalable in order for SL to become the Google of Virtual Worlds. Not everyone can afford a high end system, and in very rural areas the cost of DSL can be prohibitive ($100 a month where I'm from), which leaves out a major portion of the population worldwide. A free account does nothing for those who don't have the system and access to run it. |
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Derrick Cannoli
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06-06-2006 12:28
From: Hamaar Tyne Harris Hare has it right I think. I have had the same issues getting people to try SL. If it is free, why do I have to put in my credit card? People are hesitant to give that information out just on a whim of trying a game out. I think it is the right step in increasing the population base. Using a credit card is a very common way of verifying someones age online. There is a risk in using a credit card at all online whether be it buying online or age verification. This is not a childs game so unless LL is using an alternate method to verify age, then I absolutely do not agree with "opening the flood gates". I have not as of yet checked out the new registration page so I'm unsure how they have it setup. If they have setup an alternate easier way to verify age then kudos LL good job. |
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Io Zeno
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06-06-2006 12:40
From: Derrick Cannoli Using a credit card is a very common way of verifying someones age online. There is a risk in using a credit card at all online whether be it buying online or age verification. This is not a childs game so unless LL is using an alternate method to verify age, then I absolutely do not agree with "opening the flood gates". I have not as of yet checked out the new registration page so I'm unsure how they have it setup. If they have setup an alternate easier way to verify age then kudos LL good job. I agree, I don't see how they can verify age without a credit card without asking for even more private information, which is what they seem to want to stop. Obviously, kids could still get in using their parents cards before but now what is to stop them? Ask their age? That isn't good enough. I'm afraid kids on the teen SL will hear about this and start flooding over to the adult. I hope I'm wrong. For everyone's sake, heh. |
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Salazar Jack
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06-06-2006 12:42
From: Cocoanut Cookie Oh . . . my . . . God.
Yes, I think we are about to be overrun by... porcupines, you name it.
coco What a strange twist of fate.  (I initially read this as "run over" not "overrun," so quill you please just ignore anything I might say for the next few moments. I need more coffee.) |
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Doc Nielsen
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06-06-2006 12:43
From: Sansarya Caligari Hmm, maybe yes to alts, but the big problems are still there:
1) SL is not accessible to a lot of people whose systems can't handle it
2) scalability
makes me wonder then, WHY? NUMBERS
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Enabran Templar
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06-06-2006 13:42
Dude
I'm gonna make so many alts.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-06-2006 13:50
Anybody who's made enemies but hasn't gotten griefed for it yet... start your engines.
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Io Zeno
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06-06-2006 13:52
From what I'm hearing, you won't be able to make unlimited alts. That the 5 per household still applies, I think. Although you could use different names now, I guess, since you don't need the card.
(still confused)
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Phoenix Psaltery
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06-06-2006 13:53
From: Cindy Claveau Do porcupines qualify as "furries"? Or do we need a new category, "prickly"? I think porcupines should be referred to as "barbies." Oops, that's taken.  P2 |
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Burke Prefect
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06-06-2006 13:55
Okay. Well. Guess I'll be carrying a weapon full time. Anyone have some decent shotguns?
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Ceera Murakami
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06-06-2006 14:20
From: Io Zeno From what I'm hearing, you won't be able to make unlimited alts. That the 5 per household still applies, I think. Although you could use different names now, I guess, since you don't need the card.
(still confused) Annnd... just how are they going to tell when you reached 5? Require a signed postal mail postcard as a reply, to prove the postal address you gave is accurate? Lie about your name and address - infinite accounts are yours for the asking... I just don't see how they will be able to verify age or control the number of free accounts now. |
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-06-2006 14:39
We haven't yet determined that a credit card won't be needed, have we?
coco
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Io Zeno
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06-06-2006 14:45
From: Cocoanut Cookie We haven't yet determined that a credit card won't be needed, have we?
coco From: someone The key changes of this system will be to simplify the registration form to only require some basic identifying information, mostly for account security. Most importantly: No billing information will be required for free accounts! However, free accounts will no longer receive the starting bonus of 250 Lindens. I guess we are all assuming that "billing information" means "credit card". I don't know what else it could mean or why that would be worth making an announcement about, heh. We could be wrong, I guess. Especially because this really does mean there is no age verification in place anymore. |
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Ceera Murakami
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06-06-2006 14:47
Actually, I just checked the new form. Went far enough to see everything and then bailed, because I don't want a new alt.
As far as I can tell, there is no credit card, address, or age verification method requirement AT ALL.
The form asks you to state your birthdate. It asks for an e-mail adrress. On page 2 it asks for your "real name", but there is no method of verification at all.
Unless I missed something obvious, as long as the e-mail seems valid, they will let the account be created. No mention of limits on number of alts or on any charges for multiple alts. Nothing!
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-06-2006 14:53
Wheeee! Grief City!
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Enabran Templar
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06-06-2006 14:56
Should make for some interesting growth, in any case.
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Io Zeno
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06-06-2006 14:56
Well, ok, now according to Burke's thread, this is just for a 7 day trial. After that you have pay for Basic or Premium, so you would need a credit card. I THINK.  (still confused) |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-06-2006 14:58
Well, I'm certainly thinking the shield market will be going up, in any case. Perhaps I should release that personal defence not-a-gun-honest device that I've been using for myself.
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Echo Dragonfly
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06-06-2006 15:10
NO AGE VERIFICATION?????  Oh man, this is just asking for trouble, unless................... From LL: All sims will be now rated G. All mature content will be deleted. All clothing will be appropriate for all ages All clubs/casinos will be closed, and in their place, family oriented theme parks will be made ect. ect.  Of course this will just asking for trouble from some parent whose kid wanders into a BDSM club, and aks mommy or daddy what are all these things??? LOL
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Burke Prefect
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06-06-2006 15:14
From: Echo Dragonfly NO AGE VERIFICATION????? Oh man, this is just asking for trouble, unless................... From LL: All sims will be now rated G. All mature content will be deleted. All clothing will be appropriate for all ages All clubs/casinos will be closed, and in their place, family oriented theme parks will be made ect. ect. Of course this will just asking for trouble from some parent whose kid wanders into a BDSM club, and aks mommy or daddy what are all these things??? LOL Like the Glory Hole? |
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-06-2006 15:16
From: Ceera Murakami Actually, I just checked the new form. Went far enough to see everything and then bailed, because I don't want a new alt.
As far as I can tell, there is no credit card, address, or age verification method requirement AT ALL.
The form asks you to state your birthdate. It asks for an e-mail adrress. On page 2 it asks for your "real name", but there is no method of verification at all.
Unless I missed something obvious, as long as the e-mail seems valid, they will let the account be created. No mention of limits on number of alts or on any charges for multiple alts. Nothing! Good God almighty. coco P.S. Just a seven-day trial? Hmmm. Still seems to me like this is very very not good. All manner of kids can come on for seven days. All manner of griefers. And nothing to stop them from doing it over and over again. They just won't have any money, or any way of getting any! Which as I said earlier - no money and nothing to do = recipe for griefers. Fasten your seat belts folks, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. coco |
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Jack Harker
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06-06-2006 15:18
From: Burke Prefect Like the Glory Hole? There's a place called that? I've been refering to SL as a virtual Glory Hole for quite a while now. Do they *have* Glory Holes there? Just...um...wondering really...meerly for informations sake, really. Yeah. |
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Io Zeno
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06-06-2006 15:22
Do I have to say it? This is a lawsuit waiting to happen! Next, congressional hearings on: "I was a thirteen year-old Second Life escort". |
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Maxx Mackenzie
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06-06-2006 15:44
From: Io Zeno Do I have to say it? This is a lawsuit waiting to happen! Next, congressional hearings on: "I was a thirteen year-old Second Life escort". Great Gorean Auction!
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