Furnation Sims Down?

There's a difference between "nude" and the kind of nakedness Pyrii is talking about.

I've got avs that don't wear pants, but they aren't flashing anyone any more than the pantsless Donald Duck is. They're certainly acceptable under the "nude but not naughty" taco rules.

Though zooming your camera in under a skirt to find the naughty bits is going a bit far. That's like peeking under a kilt.

"Nae, lass, it's all in worrrrkin' order."

Anshe offers noobs a chance to buy land at L$1/m2. All you have to do is call them up or contact them in game.

Forgot about the Republic of Lupinia. It's a quiet, relaxing retreat. Not hugely populated, but it's quite peaceful if folks want to just get away (something that isn't common in SL, from what I've seen).

True. About the furthest I'll go is I agree with the great state of New York insofar that anywhere it's acceptable for a male to bare his chest, the same should go for a female. (Adjunct to this is: sometimes, you should put a damn shirt on, people. )

Yes, some people have no right to be topless. Specifically if you have moobs, or your back is hairier than your front. x.x
Unless of course your species is naturally hairy, or you're a herm, but that's two different subjects.

For those wondering, Furnation went down because the Lindens had a hiccup and decided to bill for the sims out of their usual sequence and Nexxus didn't have enough to cover two sims at once. By the time he knew about it and could transfere money into the paypal account, the Lindens enacted their new policy that if one sim falls behind, all the sims are closed that belong to that account. Soo, if you aren't aware of it be warned that if a major land Baron (or minor one at that) misses a payment on one sim, all land belonging to that account will be locked down, even if the particular sim you have land in was just paid for.

This was just a minor hitch in the grand scheme of things but what was more damaging was the utter vitriol and ugly rumors being bantered about by people who have decided Nexxus is the root of all evil, eats babies and is out to fleece furries for every dime they don't have. Nex has always maintained Furnation as a non profit place for people to gather, build and have fun. In fact, Nex is in the whole several thousands of dollars he doesn't really have to spare plus he is going to have to dish out another $1200 or so to replace a sim. Since LL has decided to remove the Developer's Insentive it has become a constant battle to raise money to keep Furnation open and instead of being a place for people to go and enjoy their Second Life, it has become a constant telethon just to keep it going. Now there are individuals saying a lot of vicious things about him and Furnation in order to build traffic in their areas.

Furnation is NOT out to win the internet and is not interested in dividing up the fur community in any way. He has donated a lot of time and effort not only on the Furnation Worlds in SL but also in the free web hosting he offers for the last 10 years. That's thousands of web sites he has hosted for free for a decadwe now using his own money and resourses plus the generiuos donations of many folks of money. time, equipment and expertise to keep it going. The things being said and done recently has just about caused him to just thow in the towel and chuck it all away and I really can't blame him.

I think you forgot a few, Kathmandu, like "screws animals" and "beats small children", among others (I'm about to fall asleep, gimme a break ).

(The above was a joke, in case it wasn't obvious.)

Depending on your views of yiffing (furry sex, for the uninformed), the "screws animals" remark may become fact rather than an insult.

Mmm, fantasy races = animals?

I guess all you people that like to roleplay as elves, drow and the like must also be into beastiality.

Thats how furs see it, if you ever had thought "Boy that elven queen is pretty" or "Oh my gawd, its logolas, jump his bones" your just as bad as us, yup!

Just had to jump in

Pyrii, you'll have to accept that Feynt, GreenKai, Yiffy and Ron are right in this case. However, I don't think mud-slinging on any side of this issue is justified. I know all of you reasonably well and consider you to be friends.... so let's try to keep it civil, eh? Now if someone was to harrass/grief you sexually that would be an entirely different matter and I'm sure you'd find plenty of support.

Kathmandu, while it may be painful for Nexxus to spin off a sim or two, it might be the best tactic in the long run as he needs to stem the financial hemmorhage that FurNation is currently suffering. Once they've got their finances back in the black and built up their reserves they'll be able to expand again. And with the freebie accounts there's always gonna be more furries ;p

Yes, knew it, persecution of those who don't agree. I don't go around actively telling people to stay away. If people ask about furry areas, I'd warn them of furnation etc, usually saying that people are walking around with thier cocks out etc is enough to put them off most furry areas so I end up having to drag them to some nicer furry places like Taco.

I love the over-exxageration of stuff I did, namely the reason I left the Forest. I was in a chat in a the Forest sandbox and noticed what was quite visable under her skirt. So I asked er in private, quite amicably if she could take it off. She was the one to start making a fuss. My interpretation of the rules was that clearly visably genetalia wasn't allowed. She flew off the handle as she does about everything. And decided to drag Ron into the argument, who I thought at the time handled it well, I re-reviewed the re-written rules and said well maybe I should leave the forest then. [edited] told me to:

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Anyone's welcome to the full chat log. But yeah, I don't understand why a virtual avatar has to be virtually anatomically correct. Doesn't mean I'll go all out to crucify those that do it, I'll tolerate it if they at least show some decency around me and do go to places that don't tolerate it with it on (as per my advice, not even in invisible mode). But there's are very few that have a good reason for it. Most of them have thier cocks at full mast, and well, if you're wearing a skirt no matter how short and see through, why not add panties, it's jst trying to be inviting because well, because just like popular belief, the Furry Community is mostly about sex, and I'm just one of those people that doesn't like that side. I'll flirt, even more with people I'm actally having a relationship with, but there is suff you take to private and I do just that.

I do have my other reasons for not caring much about what happens to furnation. of course I did highlight that one as it "sticks out" (haha) more in my mind especially after having to go there once to talk to someone and seeing a group of people, ocks sticking out etc smack int he middle of the sim. That's what I see when I think of furnation I'm afraid.

You know, I don't really care to see giant phalli myself, or hyper genitalia for that matter of any flavor. On the other hand I am not pretentious or so full of myself that I would even try to impose my preferences or standards on other people. See, that is what freedom is all about.

Also, I'd like to point out that the vast majority of people who run down Furnation have not spent much time in Furnation. It's kinda like folks saying that San Fransisco is nothing but dirty homosexuals doing it in the street yet they have never been near the city. Are there furs running around naked and with visible genitalia... yeah, it happens but it isn't anywhere near as bad as people say it is. If one fur in 30 has a hyper-penis, people will forget about the other 29 and say everyone on Furnation is a giant-dicked wolf or fox. It happens all the time and it is a very common human trait. If you stand around the Welcome area or popular club for any length of time you will see probably as many naked humans with hyper-genitalia streak by as you will in Furnation, its just a silly thing people do. There are many furs who do go around with sheaths though and it is more to look like the animal persona they are wearing than the supposed thrill of walking around with their genitals exposed. You don't put pants on Fido sort of thing.

Also, not everyone in the world is uptight about such things like Americans usually are and there are quite a few Japanese furs in Furnation and it is an established part of their culture. Quoted from "FESTIVALS (Matsuri)" http://www3.tky.3web.ne.jp/~edjacob/festival.html

KANAMARA MATSURI - Held every April 15th at Wakamiya Hachimangu Shrine in Kawasaki Japan, this festival is about as wild and pagan as they get. People of all ages participate in a parade in which most of the participants sport a gigantic penis, and a giant lingam is carried through the streets. Females ride a penis-shaped seesaw, and men, women and children get their picture taken embracing a phallic statue. You can also buy penis shaped candies, or dress up as your favorite cartoon character with one part of his anatomy dramatically enlarged. The whole thing is presided over by a priest, and arcane Shinto rituals are carried out as well.

The festival is said to celebrate the vanquishing of a demon that lived in a woman's vagina and would bite off the penises of her lovers! According to legend, a local craftsman fashioned a steel phallus which broke the demon's teeth. In the Edo period courtesans would come to pray for good business and protection from sexually transmitted diseases and today it is used to promote AIDS awareness and safe sex. The Kanamara festival is held at Kawasaki Daishi Station on the Keihin Daishi in the beginning of April. If you would like to see a great free video of the Kanamara festival visit TokyoDV.com, a site featuring amateur videos from Japan. You can see the penis festival, rock bands and goths in Inokashiro park, or the cheesy graduation ceremony of a kimono school. There's a lot of hilarious stuff here. The URL is: http://www.tokyodv.com/.

Nexxus and the other Admins decided they weren't going to try to impose their moral standards on others and as long as it was allowed by the TOS and did not disrupt the experience of others using Furnation it was allowable within reason.

To make a final point, Furnation isn't a constant orgy of gay furs "yiffing" each other silly all day long. In fact, after spending a lot of time at the Furnation Bath house (a public sex area) just to see for myself, the number of people actually engaging in sex is like, almost none. It is a popular place but most furs are sitting in the hot tub having conversations and maybe flirting. Of what is going on, two thirds of it is m/f couples.

This is so true. For a "fucking furries" zone, there is surprisingly little fucking actually going on (visibly, anyway). I suspect people are far more interested in going there to meet people who they take home instead.

Exactly.

Furnation is where furs meet furs... most of the time we enjoy our privacy just as much as you do. Yes some people have their fido bits swinging free but more often than not they're not there to arouse you.

If the sight or thought of a penis hurts your sexuality, to bad for you.

And there are reserved areas on FN which are actually designated as "fucking furries zone". Doing it "in the street" is socially verboten, although you will occasionally see someone wandering around in the nude. I don't like seeing that kind of thing myself, so guess what I do? That's right, I ignore it, or go elsewhere, or even IM the guy asking if he can't stow that wangdoodle as long as he's at a public event (such as a dance party). But I keep it polite.

As for me, I don't "take home" anyone. I go to FN to meet and talk with friends, many of which I've met at conventions across the nation in past years. SL is one of the few means I have to keep in touch with them without racking up long-distance charges. Plus we get to interact --- creating houses or statues or aircraft or even whole cities.

The fucking furries zone sign is actually an internet joke based on a webcomic and a "Loli" gag, in fact the sign is in the shape of a no smoking sign, so really it is a *no sign* with fucking and zone below, furries in the middle.

Not only does the sign warn you away from a SMALL portion of furnations whole, but its an in-joke... really, with the limited on chat range in general talk and walls between you and them, you really shouldnt see something to offend you.

Yeah there are people with monsterious wangs or boobs or other weird thing, but its a fetish group within a subculture group, they dont represent all of us... I am saying this to EVERYONE reading, not to any one poster.

I'm not seeing the difference. Being Nude is Being Nude. O.o If your logic is correct, females should not be allowed to be nude cuz they have breasts Regardless to if they are prim based or just part of the body? I just don't see it... I don't believe a nude furry is really nude. I call it Fur-Equal clothing. Animals IRL are always nude. You don't see people covering that up do you? When you drive past a farm looking at all the horses you can't miss their huge Wang. If you don't wish to see it, put your eyes back on the road.

Being civilizes has nothing to do with it. Second Life is a fantasy world where we are alowed to look like however we wish. To impose someone alter their av disliking it, is wrong. Just like how those people hated seeing child avatars. They made 40 threads about it. Needless to say, they lost in the end. Lets say somebody hates furries... I walk by in my wolf av. They tell me to switch to a human av cuz they don't like it. You know what I'm gona say? F**K off!!! I don't care if they dislikes it, thats their problem.

Really, Great for freedom of speech where just saing your view and offering advice isn't seen as being "pretentious" and "imposing my standards". =P



Pot... Kettle... Black...



Well as I said, wouldn't it then be better to say "If you're in a bathhouse etc, run around and let it hang free, but in the sandbox or places visitors might come, tone it down. That's not imposing morals, just guidelines so visitor don't get a shock of the possibility of a giant phallused mouse. But eh, that's my advice.



That's not what I'm saying or offends me, while it does seem the only reason for having genetals in SL is for sexual purposes, some people you know, might be displaying for the furry act of "getting a mate" (or as we british calling it, picking up chicks) and not my recomendation of finding a "nice" mate/girlfriend. (or boyfriend as I know alot of furs are like that)

But something I keep saying is, if you wouldn't do it int he real world, why do it online when it comes to social standards. As far as the japanese festival is concerned, I think it'sa great festival and already know about it. They don't have people running around naked (probably for the kiddies), if they did they might be startled, laugh and carry on, but any other time, it would just be offensive to run around with it all hanging out. It's not MY values, it's just basic manners and decency.

But if you want to be a nudist colony then I won't know the "fun" that your sims are, and same for many of my non-fur friends who don't apreciate that stuff out of strip clubs, or thier own homes or when shopping. So comments like this:


Seem most tolerant. Honestly, if you want me to accept your views, maybe try apreciating mine.

I am SO getting fed up with "If you don't like it, fuck off" type comments, goreans did the same in the gorean v furry conversation, now you're displaying the same maturity. Overexxagerating my argument in order to attack me as if I'm doing the same to you. I'm trying to discuss why I don't visit or tend to like places like furnation, me alone, It's something that's beyond my tolerance, but I'm still open-minded about it. I acan apreciate people want to do it. I offer my opinion of what I would do to not offend people like me while managing to keep some common ground.

because we can? that's the sweetness of a fantasy world such as this. We can fly too.

Exactly. Nuff said.

The point i think we all need to wrap our heads around is this, there is no more incentive for popular areas...i for one could care less what blows whos skirt up, if the area was popular it depended on DI for help on land payments.

The Lindens say that camping chairs were the reason DI was taken away, to me thats an easy fix, dont pay traffic on how long someone stays in an area, or how many places that they travel to later, deminishing this figure, but rather on how many ppl actually set foot in that area in a 24 hr period. Hence there would be no need to pay ppl to stay sitting in one place for hours at a time, and it would encourage them to visit more areas and see more things and spend more money!! Duh and im not even a rocket scientist...ahh well i think the Big L is just getting a little greedy, and just dun wanna plug out that big money every month..., so for places that genuinely had customers coming for the pure enjoyment of the area, no other ways to make income other than DI, or dwell, sad to say but i forsee these places going ka-putt and soon.

Say did anyone notice we have our first, or i think the first actual pryamid scheme, you may notice some shiney twirling dollar signs around, you pay the owner $100 L for, set em out and sell more from your shiney twirling dollar sign, the top of the pinacle gets 10% of any downline sales....

Hmmm can we say AMWAY LINDEN ???????? hahahhah yes Jeska this certainly will encourage more creative ways of making money in SL!!!

Strange thing about it was the top DI recipiants like Furnation do not have a single camping chair... it would have been pretty easy to outlaw camping chairs. Seriously, get caught with a camping chair on your land, no DI, period. I mean, camping chairs are still here, sucking up all that dwell yet places that actually provided something for people to do are cut off to sink or swim on their own. The referral system incentive was pulled and greatly modified so hardly anyone benifits from it anymore so even though Furnation brought in thousands of players they get near nothing now. I really doubt camping chairs were the reason so much as LL just decided they didn't want to pay for content. Why should they?

They expect the users of Furnation and other areas to charge for their services or somesuch to pay for themselves but there is only so much anyone can provide in SL because the technology is so limited and so many people experince lag that no matter how good the content, people aren't going to pay extra to slideshow dance at a club or get slung out of their vehicle at a sim crossing. About the only thing LL has helped develop with this new policy is wholesale prostitution and ponzi schemes to pay for places for LL customers to go...

This thread needs more kittens and rainbows.

Funny, I was thinking it needed more trees.

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