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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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12-09-2005 16:29
You are. prim limits are part of tier, and if you let them put a wall terminal in your shop, you are giving them at least one prim. If 112 people do that, they are getting the equivalent of a 512. if every user in Sl does it, they are getting a free sim or two. So, what you're saying is, since I have a computer in my RL home, I'm giving Google free floorspace? I had no idea. I didn't "let" them put one up, I bought a terminal and stuck it up. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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12-09-2005 16:34
I started a thread on this point, and i am posting my post here as well because I feel so strongly that the editorial content in InfoNet is ethically wrong, as well as violating the TOS/CS. Here is a copy & paste of my post that started the thread entitled "Second Hell Tourbus: worst places in SL:" Second Hell Tourbus: worst places in SL accordint to Infonet (etc.). Good God almighty! Horrendous as this is - let us not lose sight of the fact that there is no need for Infonet to be in these hubs in the first place. But - THIS MATERIAL EXISTS IN THE WELCOME AREA????????? You know, I really do think I ought to give up on this whole SL thing. coco _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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12-09-2005 16:37
Folks.
Calm your shit down. We all keep forgetting: No one at Linden Lab is talking to anyone else. This is why nothing make sense.  _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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12-09-2005 17:14
Um, no. Saying Infonet is "getting free tier" is like saying I'm giving them free tier because I keep a wall-unit terminal in my shop. You are - you are giving up a portion of the prims you pay for in your tier. If the Lindens, or others, were not giving space for these terminals, the owner would have to own each plot of land the terminals were going on. It's no different than if SLExchange wanted to put in 50 atm terminals - they either have to put those atm terminals on land they own, or get someone else to let them use their land. Each additional hub location obviously affects the amount of usage and visibility of the system. You can certain charge higher ad rates if there are 100 terminals than you can if there are 2. Your analogy of google is also flawed since the computer is used for all kinds of things. The better example would be if you put an ATM machine on your lawn for everyone in the neighborhood to use. Since you are incurring the cost of the land, it costs the bank nothing except their operational costs to have it there. They don't have to pay rent, property taxes, or any other fees to have another ATM machine. Each additional ATM machine is a source of revenue for them in fees. While each additional InfoNet terminal is not revenue generating, it is indirectly so through audience size. Each SLExchange terminal is not money generating, but the more of them there are, the more likely it will drive people to shop at the site. I am sure MetaAdverse would love new buildboard spots for free at all the telehubs as well - it would give them a larger ad audience. _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
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12-09-2005 17:17
As for the terminal not optimised for hub land - how could it be? Does anyone think Squagmire was somehow part of a dark conspiracy that knew months in advance this opportunity would happen? It's not just "not optimised for hub land", it's not optimised much. I get the feeling that it was designed to be a flexible system (for which it would be great) but then the actual pages on it got standardised, to the point where they all follow one of a couple of fixed patterns. So it's still using a freeform texture loader to offer flexibility - but doesn't use that flexibility, because there's only 3 or 4 page templates. |
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,858
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12-09-2005 17:51
Your analogy of google is also flawed since the computer is used for all kinds of things. The better example would be if you put an ATM machine on your lawn for everyone in the neighborhood to use. Since you are incurring the cost of the land, it costs the bank nothing except their operational costs to have it there. They don't have to pay rent, property taxes, or any other fees to have another ATM machine. Each additional ATM machine is a source of revenue for them in fees. While each additional InfoNet terminal is not revenue generating, it is indirectly so through audience size. Each SLExchange terminal is not money generating, but the more of them there are, the more likely it will drive people to shop at the site. I am sure MetaAdverse would love new buildboard spots for free at all the telehubs as well - it would give them a larger ad audience. Except you're missing the entire point of Infonet: it's just that, a central information repository. It is not remotely like an ATM in purpose. Perhaps my analogy was flawed, but only in that a more precise analogy would be a public web-access terminal without the broader features of a PC, which do exist. Infonet is no more "taking my prims" than the Neualtenburg Edition "Memory" game by the Riddle City Ransom crew I keep out in my shop involves Satchmo "taking my prims", or me sticking a prefab house out is the prefab builder "taking my prims". I find Infonet a useful little gizmo (albeit one that HTML-in-SL will indeed make obsolete) and I keep it out because, hey, if I think it's useful, I think other people might think it useful, and the 15 prims don't exactly put me out. Now, if someone had a competing service to Infonet and requested similar access to the telehubs and were denied, I would have to agree with you... except the only person who has made anything like Infonet is the person who actually made Infonet, Squagmire herself. That said, something like a Metaverse Messenger kiosk, Helping HAND distributor, etc, do follow similar "information distribution" principles (and, I might note, also for money through ads in M2's case) and I hope these also find a home at the new infohubs; it only seems natural and equally fair to all. _____________________
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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12-09-2005 18:32
Sorry to burst the "everybody gets a fair and equal chance" bubble, but what exactly is wrong with paying for advertising space?
Personally, I think "skys the limit if you have the cash" pricing schemes are a little dirty. The equality should technically come in a card-rate to protect consumers. However, since there is no industry watch-dog looking over LL's shoulders atm, I suppose it doesn't matter. In the end though, a little faith in the market will go a long way beyond politics. Besides, I still fail to see who would lose money from such a venture as this. Someone give me numbers quick. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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12-09-2005 21:37
There is nothing wrong with paying for advertising space.
There is plenty wrong with paying another resident for advertising in Linden space. coco _____________________
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,492
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12-09-2005 22:34
There is nothing wrong with paying for advertising space. coco Can you imagine the RL dollars to pay somone to develop this? I mean, even without full time benefits like health care. Health care is a biggy, though. _____________________
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Venya Salome
infoNet News Manager
Join date: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 30
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Clarifications about infoNet
12-10-2005 00:14
For additional clarifications about InfoNet
Please read this thread... Clicky Feel free to IM me, and I will attempt to answer any additional questions you might have. Thank you, Venya Salome Manager infoNet FreePress Gnat Technologies |