Breaking News: Government Formed in SL?

Whoa. Huh?

Anyway....

I don't give a hoot about Anshe. Having had no interaction with her, by choice, my opinion of her is based solely on reading her forum posts, which I find slightly distateful. No jealousy, no fear of monopoly, just my personal take on how she chooses to communicate in this venue.

I also find the bulldog-like intensity of the Anshe defenders a bit much. So be it. I am usually totally unreasonble, so I don't worry about it. Have a nice day!

It only takes a dollar to outbid a land dealer and win at auction. If you do your research and set your ceiling above wholesale but under retail, how do you lose lots?

Easy, she can rent the land indefinetly.

Briana Dawson

And no one else can?

I dont know Anshe. I did chat with her once in game. But I just see a bunch of rabid anti-Anshe/LL people making mountains from molehills. Like this 1 time account transfer, LL saved Anshe a few hours work by approving that transaction. Big deal. But I guess the drama machines have a quota to meet.

Anshe can pay more than the land is worth and make her money back over time by renting out the land.

Of course someone else can do it, but that wasn't what you asked. You asked:


As you can see, your statement (or even the entire original paragraph) made no mention of what other people can or cannot accomplish.

I guess it needs to be explained to you that even though other people can buy land the same way Anshe has (at a value too high to resell and make your money back), and even rent the land as well, but look at the market, Anshe owns it and can drop her rent prices as low as she wants to beat out the competition - and it isnt like she has not done this before.

Briana Dawson

I'm not sure how. Most MMO's charge a monthly subscription fee of around $15/mo and don't offer nearly what SL offers in terms of being able to not only have a house, but build it yourself just the way you want it and hang out there with all your buds. You can't get an equivelant experience anywhere for less money. Do you consider all MMO's to be a rich man's game?

You are no less a drama machince since you chose to chime in with what your feelings are on the issue...

And this "1 time account transfer" went against LL's TOS. If someone else had attempted this the outcome would probably be different.

Yea, so big deal, keep feeding the drama.

Briana Dawson

Right but that was in response to someone else who seems to have 'given up'. I was trying to see why they didnt come to that conclusion and lead them to that answer.

Yes but you are painting an example of buying a sim for solely rental purposes. There are many other things that can be done besides renting. I was speaking in general terms of obtaining a sim to run a business of some sort. Sure your rental example has merit but I wasnt discussing only rentals.

But the difference is, generally, when I make statements that could be taken as negative or offensive, I dont point a finger to a specific person, unlike... oh wait.

I thought the TOS said unless written approval from LL was obtained, and in this case it was.

Please dont try to suck me into the void.

Past level 60 in WoW, you have "to hang out with your buds" in order to do the higher-end content. You can't sit back and solo the instances that are available for you to do.

The one thing that WoW teaches individuals is simply teamwork. You need a team to get the items you need, you need a team to help you achieve those goals.

And yeah, you get to hang out with your buds, laugh and create a community within the game. Most of the time it's not spent typing "chat lines" but speaking over TS or Vent. Which makes the experience even better.

With SL, you can solo your whole career here without interacting with anyone. You can be a successful businessperson with a kick-ass product that is sold from a scripted vendor without ever meeting an avatar face-to-face.

In any other online game -- you can't do that. You need a team to succeed.

The TOS was changed after the fact.

And you are already in the void with the rest of us who have posted in this thread.

Briana Dawson

This may sound ridiculous, but I'm dead serious after reading "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison: as bad as human governments can get, they seem to pale in comparison to a monstrosity of a machine filled with HATE HATE.

Interesting. When did the transaction occur and the TOS change? Reguardless at the end of the day LL simply saved Anshe a few hours of transfering items. So where's the harm in this 1 transaction?

Personally I never had much of an issue with Anshe; haven't really had cause to get into anything with her (other than, I did sell my land to her once).

However, there is something to be said for taking issues straight to Anshe. Lindens play by the rules; they are bound by their particular interpretation of the ToS and it takes a lot of hemming and hawing by them (I think) to change anything in it. Do you not agree though that Anshe should be held accountable for questionable actions she may have taken? Whether they are bound by the ToS or not, I think that selling freebies is unethical and a downright dirty business practice (not saying she does that, I'm just using it as an example).

So, I guess the best thing to do is make a lot of noise about it on the forums and hope the rules get changed *while* pointing the finger at the perpetrator.

And because people are more willing to rent land on an Anshe sim, because they know that Anshe acts like a government and they agree with her rules. Are there any huge dwell holes full of camping chairs dragging down in Dreamland sims, for example?

$40 a month for cable, shared among 4 people. $0.00 for the premium account. I've spent a lot in L$ on my multiple body disorder, but now I'm down to a couple new avs a week that's tapered off.
I gave you a response. But you probably didn't like it.

Yes ,but the problem is not soley on the fault of the player. Moreso it is the fault of the creator of the game. If LL had wanted to limit the ammount of lands to be sold the would have capped it . But since they have not how can all the blame be placed on someone who has the means to buy them?

It might seem like dirty business to buy up pretty much all the land in the game and a monopoly which it is . But even though bitching about it in the forums is fun and drama it won't make the lindens change their ways.

Obviously they back these land barons and currency sellers due to the fact that they are their cash cows. Would you want to upset someone who pays you like 20k+ a month?


In all honesty,LL won't really care for all the threads posted by users about certain land barons . They will simply lock them and say this is how the game is played. But as recent events have shown the TOS was basicly changed around to let people sell/buy accounts with writen permission from LL.

Not always the fault of the player,always the fault of the gaming company

You then have to partition the land, establish a brand, get noticed, offer sufficient incentives to attract people, and you have to do it all in your leisure time.

Anshe already has a brand, is already noticed, has known incentives, and can play SL full-time.

Oh, and she's got her own L$ exchange, so she can make more US$ than you on a plot even if she makes less L$.

Um, no. If you're prepared to build about 10 houses for practice first, then maybe. But if you just want to hang out with your buds, you're not going to want to do that. In that case, you get a prefab house just like other MMOs, except you have to pay more for it.

I would suggest that in the interests of full disclosure Briana Dawson should really explain her previous business arrangement, and very public fall out with Anshe Chung, and her comments be taken on that basis, level-headedly and without tending towards the dramatic.

Unfortuantely we have to bear in mind that some people have pre-dispositions based on their true, or false, experiences with a person in the past and that their discourse is pervaded by those experiences, both positively or negatively.

For instance, personally, I've always pretty much discounted what Briana says because she has been found wanting in a number of areas, most personal to me her attacks on the forum when I said her shopping sims were laggy, which they were, whether she liked it or not. As for Anshe, I dealt with her a couple of times, found her very shrewd and a keen negotiator, but other than that I can't say anything other than I was satistifed. So there's my disclosure.

Same can be said for starting a business IRL. If I start one now there are TONS of people with more money and resources in SL and RL. So are we wanting to restrict SL?

Nah. That's Neualtenburg's department.

I mean, you thought the clock tower was just for looks?

No, we just need to respect that it isn't possible at this point to do what Anshe did. It's like trying to do what Coca-Cola did.