Breaking News: Government Formed in SL?
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ReallyRick Metropolitan
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11-29-2005 05:33
Woah, did everyone miss this? I'm assuming because of the freebie hubbub going on right now people might have not even seen this. There was an article in Business 2.0 about virtual land in Second Life. The story (naturally) was about Dreamland and it's creator "you know who." Anyway what struck me a bit odd was what Phillip had to say about "you know who." This is the direct quote: “She is the government,” Rosedale says. Am I taking this out of context?
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-29-2005 05:34
From: ReallyRick Metropolitan Woah, did everyone miss this? I'm assuming because of the freebie hubbub going on right now people might have not even seen this. There was an article in Business 2.0 about virtual land in Second Life. The story (naturally) was about Dreamland and it's creator "you know who." Anyway what struck me a bit odd was what Phillip had to say about "you know who." This is the direct quote: “She is the government,” Rosedale says. Am I taking this out of context? Well one thing is for sure, I will never obey an order from her.
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Hank Ramos
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11-29-2005 05:38
Well, she is the biggest monetary supporter of LL. All hail queen Anshe! 
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Einsman Schlegel
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11-29-2005 05:39
As they say, whoever can spend the most, can be the most. So....
But in any case, yes she is 'government' but on her own lands, once they're gone, they're gone.
So I wouldn't really read into it any further.
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Seth Kanahoe
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11-29-2005 05:43
From an earlier thread on this subject: An interesting quote from the article: "'She is the government,' [Philip] Rosedale says. Second Life is still an emerging nation...." Rosedale also calls her the "Rockefeller of Second Life". John D. or his more philanthropic and public-minded descendents? 
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Moopf Murray
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11-29-2005 05:45
Yes you are taking it out of context. What Philip means is that she basically governs her own land as she sees fit - deciding what can go there, who can buy there, how much they pay for it etc. Just as anybody governs their own land in SL. The only difference is that Anshe owns a lot of it. Philip's just playing it up with a nice little one liner to get people excited - don't forget all press is an opportunity to big up your product to people who could become your customers. To take it further than that just seems to be looking for drama.
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Einsman Schlegel
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11-29-2005 05:46
From: Moopf Murray To take it further than that just seems to be looking for drama. But but but but, we LIKE drahama.... 
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Anshe Chung
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11-29-2005 06:25
Yes, I always had the vision and promoted the vision of competing areas of governance and people who vote with their feet. Before I came to Second Life I was building nations in Shadowbane. It was very cool to see very different areas emerge in terms of rules, culture and social norms. Different guilds and different nations always competed to provide the most fun and the most attractive place for people to join and call home. Now in Second Life similar things are starting to emerge. I absolutely do not believe in some "player government" for all of Second Life. But what you find in Dreamland and in other place like Neualtenburg, the Gorean sims or Azure Islands, is regions with their own rulesets and norms that you can opt-in to join if you want. It is all about choices. Virtual space is infinite and people deserve the freedom to choose 
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Burke Prefect
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11-29-2005 06:28
Um... you run that much private land, you are the local government.
Just be thankful she can't launch ICBMs from her little island.
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Lord Wishbringer
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11-29-2005 06:32
Anshe is also a very good governor. I'm happy as can be in SL living under her rules/regulations.  Its a shame the 'happy' people who live on AnsheLand don't post more often. far to many 'AntiAnshe' ppl in these forums. -LW
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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11-29-2005 06:32
Whatever. I'm the Queen of my 512.  So I outrank you all.
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11-29-2005 06:46
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Ginger Faust
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11-29-2005 06:50
Even though I donot know the poster nor Anshe(have heard big things tho  ) it just seems to me that people do tend to get a bit jealous over what they donot have. I am not saying I support anyone,but since I have come back to SL I have seen a ton of posts about how she supposedly is. If people want to say that she is basicly a monopoly then they need to bring it really to the attn of the Lindens. Yes,she does pay a considerable ammount of money to LL. Maybe there should be a limit to the ammount of sim's one person or group can buy per year. If people want to complain about it and call her all the names in the book,it just shows immaturity and the green monster of envy biting you in the arse. In any land you are the ruler of your land,you sublet it out to others and they are the ruler of that land . So why cause so much drama over something like this? Personally I think that what she has gained is something rather interresting. People make money in games,people sell virtual items online it's just apart of every game(mind you I hate illegal selling of such items). Only in SL can we make real money from something that is virtual,something that IS legal . I'm sure if you were put in her place and had the chance and the money to back you up you might try to do what she has done. Now as it may be there are as of yet no rules for the ammount of SIMs a single person can own. Maybe LL should consider limiting the ammount of land you can own would help others in buying/selling. Dunno,but thats my 2 cents.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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11-29-2005 06:52
I'm also Commissioner of Quite A Lot in Boardman.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-29-2005 06:52
From: Ginger Faust If people want to complain about it and call her all the names in the book,it just shows immaturity and the green monster of envy biting you in the arse.
Why exactly is it that people can't possibly have legitimate criticism of someone's actions, it has to be about jealousy?
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-29-2005 06:53
From: Ingrid Ingersoll I'm also Commissioner of Quite A Lot in Boardman. I thought you were the Chairman of the Boardman?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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11-29-2005 06:54
From: Cristiano Midnight I thought you were the Chairman of the Boardman? d'oh ho ho!
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-29-2005 06:56
From: Ingrid Ingersoll d'oh ho ho! I know it was bad, it's early.
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Ginger Faust
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11-29-2005 06:59
From: Cristiano Midnight Why exactly is it that people can't possibly have legitimate criticism of someone's actions, it has to be about jealousy? Why bring up the fact that someone owns nearly all the sims in the game? What other reason would there be of the ammount of threads and posts about this person other than jealousy? I mean honestly,if it wasn't jealous then what drives a person to attack someone else?Have they offended them?Have they not sold them their virtual land? What reason would someone have then? I am not saying I am for or agaisnt her,but it just seems the majority of the people whom attack someone for things like this are jealous of what they donot have. Yes,this is a game in which someone can make a ton of real life cash. Yes she does have a considerable ammount of money invested in her lands.Big deal ,it's what she wants to do so let her do it.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-29-2005 07:03
In SL and in every game I ever played, I am Princess of Quite a Lot. IRL at home, I am Queen of Everything. In SL, I live under the governorship of Nexus Nash and Adam Zaius and I enjoy their "government." I also have my own SL shop, where I am Ruler of the Entire World. However, my rule there is trumped by the club next door, which is Ruler of the Entire Universe and Creator of All Lag. I don't mind, though. They get a lot of people to the sim, who then windowshop at my store! coco
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Simple Chaos
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11-29-2005 07:07
Looks like its time to make some different "Impeach ...." signs and get me some small plots o' land.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-29-2005 07:07
From: Ginger Faust Why bring up the fact that someone owns nearly all the sims in the game?
What other reason would there be of the ammount of threads and posts about this person other than jealousy?
I mean honestly,if it wasn't jealous then what drives a person to attack someone else?Have they offended them?Have they not sold them their virtual land? What reason would someone have then?
I am not saying I am for or agaisnt her,but it just seems the majority of the people whom attack someone for things like this are jealous of what they donot have.
Yes,this is a game in which someone can make a ton of real life cash. Yes she does have a considerable ammount of money invested in her lands.Big deal ,it's what she wants to do so let her do it. It is rather presumptuous to speak for what other people's motivations are. Anshe has been extremely successful, there is no denying that. She dominates whatever environment she is in, it seems to be this driving need she has in every environment she goes to. Many people, however, have had legitimate problems with her that have absolutely nothing to do with jealousy. One does not have to be jealous to feel that one person having so much control over so large a portion of SL is not a good thing. One does not have to be jealous to find someone's business practices distasteful, and to not like watching someone use their dominance to abuse competitors. Large public figures are often polarizing. Generally, where there is that much smoke, there tends to be fire. Anshe is certainly not the demon she is made out to be, nor is she the selfless angel savior of SL that she often projects herself to be. She is here to make as much money as she can, through whatever means she can, and that will always clash with some people who don't feel that the end always justify the means.
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ReallyRick Metropolitan
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11-29-2005 07:10
Yeah I have no problem with Anshe at all. We have had very nice meetings. I simply was wondering if anyone else saw the article and thought the quote was strange. Now that I have read this thread and saw the context Phillip was saying it in, confusion ended. 
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Ginger Faust
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11-29-2005 07:12
From: Cristiano Midnight It is rather presumptuous to speak for what other people's motivations are. Anshe has been extremely successful, there is no denying that. She dominates whatever environment she is in, it seems to be this driving need she has in every environment she goes to.
Many people, however, have had legitimate problems with her that have absolutely nothing to do with jealousy. One does not have to be jealous to feel that one person having so much control over so large a portion of SL is not a good thing. One does not have to be jealous to find someone's business practices distasteful, and to not like watching someone use their dominance to abuse competitors. Large public figures are often polarizing.
Generally, where there is that much smoke, there tends to be fire. Anshe is certainly not the demon she is made out to be, nor is she the selfless angel savior of SL that she often projects herself to be. She is here to make as much money as she can, through whatever means she can, and that will always clash with some people who don't feel that the end always justify the means. Well,jealousy tends to be a part of any game . If people do have problems with her and how she runs her business then they need to bring it to a higher office. If LL wanted to limit the ammount of land a person could own they would have. I dont think SL is perfect,hell some things in this game I find wrong.But buying and selling land is a big part of this game also. Some people might not have the means to go out and buy all the land they want,or the land they want is already bought do to a monopoly. It really isn't a persons fault for doing things a certain way. Really the blame should be on LL for not limiting the ammount of lands a person can own at one single time.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-29-2005 07:28
From: Ginger Faust Well,jealousy tends to be a part of any game .
If people do have problems with her and how she runs her business then they need to bring it to a higher office. If LL wanted to limit the ammount of land a person could own they would have. I dont think SL is perfect,hell some things in this game I find wrong.But buying and selling land is a big part of this game also.
Some people might not have the means to go out and buy all the land they want,or the land they want is already bought do to a monopoly.
It really isn't a persons fault for doing things a certain way. Really the blame should be on LL for not limiting the ammount of lands a person can own at one single time. In this particular case, there is just a long history there with a lot of things that have occured across a wide variety of people. It's not about owning a huge amount of land. Contrast Rathe Underthorn of http://www.slland.com - he owns a huge amount of land in SL, yet you don't find the constant critical threads. There are deeper issues than that. I do think that any one player controlling a huge portion of the land, and indirectly, the economy is a bad thing that puts Linden Lab themselves at risk, and thus all of us. When you have a player that is responsible for a hugely disproportionate share of your income, how do you fairly handle discipline? How do you mitigate the risk of them pulling out of SL and leaving a bunch of players holding the bag? It's complicated, and that is my original point. Some of the criticism of Anshe may spawn from jealousy - but to dismiss it all as that is just silly and way too easy of an excuse.
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