Breaking News: Government Formed in SL?

Well I had one run in with this person and it was not pleasant experience but more power to her I guess. End of Comment. Start of question...lol. Where does a person who is not a mulimillionarie get an affordable place to live in SL. I just purchased my preimum membership and now own my little kindgom of 512 m2 which I am King of...lol As almost everone knows in SL there is not really that much you can do with that small piece of land other than basically park your av. For various financial reason which I do not care to discuss in this forum I don't have that much money to spend on this "game". Yes it is a game to me and I am having fun and learning every day. But I would like to have a nice place to play in...my normal weekly stipend is $L500 which equals to $L2000.00 a month. I have looked and looked to find a place to rent with enough prims allowance to set up a nice house but it is almost impossible to find anything and still have enough money to buy things. Yeah Yeah I know build and sell things. Well, there are lot of us small folks who either have not learned to build good enough to sell or there are so many people out there now selling items it is hard to sell what little I make. Any suggestions where a person could get a reasonable priced rental, either land or land and house (3 rooms) with a least 300 prims for under $L400 in a mature area. That only leave $L100 a week to buy things as it is.

By the way in rl I do work for the govenment, I live in a country with a great government so lighten up on government in SL.

If I could get ppl to understand one thing in all my points it would simply be this:

LL has bowed down to and catered to one individual based on the amount of income they provide to LL.

LL has changed/voided their own TOS to accomidate this one individual based on the income they recieve from this individual.

LL has gone against their own government policy for one individual based on the amount of income that individual gives LL.

Everyone always says "Trust in LL to do the right thing." Then why do I feel like a cow that is being carted off to the slaughter house based on the fact that I am not one of their "Cash cows"

LL has apparently picked their favorite customer more so they made the rest of us very aware of that fact.

This is bullshit.

Like I've said in the past: all of the stated policies of LL are selectively enforced.

Hehe I think you misunderstood me actually. You attest that everyone who criticizes Anshe is simply jealous of her. Now there's a reason that there's monopoly laws in RL, do you think that "Jealousy" is behind it, since the situation is nearly identical to that of SL? Or maybe it's not jealousy, but people having the fear of one person having so much power that instead of getting banned when they breach the ToS, LL changes the ToS.

Maybe that's it?

Probably because of your cynicism and a predisposition to see everything in those terms. Not everything is a sign of the apocolypse

How so? You have so much supposition and presumption buried within this sentiment that I don't feel that you're being at all level-headed about it.



The TOS evolves all the time. They changed it to suit their own ends with the opening of the Teen Grid. Shock, and indeed, horror.



I've already covered this and the brick wall is calling me.



Everyone does? You love speaking for everybody, don't you? Yet again, personally I've never said that and personally I don't believe it, but here I just think you've lost sight of what you're actually arguing about because you're blinkered by your distaste for LL, Anshe and anything commercial.



Actually I think it was picked for them by Anshe paying them so much money.

No matter which name you post as, one thing stays the same: you more often than not make very little sense.

That is the problem with games like these.

It's really sad and pathetic that LL does bow down to one of their highest players. But sole responsibility is put on them. If you were a gaming company and you generated the ammount of money LL does each month from land and other things do you think you would try to piss off one of your top cash cows just to make it fair for everyone else?

That's just the problem with developing gaming companies. They can change their TOS when they see fit and as long as it makes them money they are ok with it.

But you know,if everyone were to not play for a few months LL would be trying to change things to suit their needs and get their players back.

Dunno but people are blinded from the bigger picture. It's not all of the land barons faults for their success.Since LL doesnt police or limit the ammount of land you can have it is really LL's fault for this.


Not trying to protect the lan barons,but it is true. If LL would limit the ammount of land you could hold things would be different .

And if you had read my other post after that you have seen that it is not always the person being attackes fault for things like this. Hell,we could go attack IGE for being the richest in the game because they basicly monopoly L$.

Point is don't blame the user,blame the company.

They have no set rules for how much land a person can hold. Why attack someone when they doesn't solve the problem it only causes more drama.

I'm sure LL will stick behind their big dogs in the end unless the PEOPLE stand up for the wrong doings.


I see no point to mock or attack one single person when in reality I'm sure they will just laugh at you and keep going about their business and make money.

You rent it from Anshe Chung or some other sim owner, or get together with like-minded people and set up a group buy.

I just looked at buying a plot of land in SL big enough that I had a reasonable chance of keeping it from being encroached on. It would have cost more than my computer to buy, and the rent would have been as much as my internet connection...

On an island, or renting from someone who's got a whole sim on the mainland, the cost was less than half. Getting together with other people looking for the same kind of second life and buying half a sim or more would make my share even less. But by myself? Not in my budget, sorry. The cash I do spend on SL, I have other uses for than just keeping someone from setting up a dance club next to my living room.

So basically ....

"Don't hate the player ... hate the game." ??

OH SNAP

DING DING DING

You lose.

Personally I think Ginger makes a good point. I'm willing to bet good money that a majority of people who make negative posts about Anshe have never met her, used one of her services, or dealt with her in any way. Anyone who reaches the top will have a great many people who resent them for being there for no particular reason except a culture that tends to dehumanize anyone seen as no longer one of the "regular people." Welcome to human nature.

I don't have anything in particular against Anshe, but I should point out that this isn't true.

A recent SLOG article made that pretty clear. It basically implied that if Anshe shows an interest in a plot of land at auction, anyone else might as well give up, because she'll just bid the exact right amount of money so that if you outbid her, you'll lose money even if you resell the whole plot. If she doesn't show an interest, there's a reason why not, and that reason will be related to its resale value...

She's not doing anything wrong by doing that. It's how resale auctions work in the real world, after all. But as long as that kind of thing is in place, it is certainly not the case that anyone else has a chance to do what Anshe did. (Especially unless LL are planning to delete animations and add them back in again.)

That being said, there are also those who have used her services and dealt with her, and had negative experiences. Certainly no one can live up to all the horror stories about them, but Anshe's success alone is not the sole explanation for negative reaction to her. Much of that is within her own hands, and her own actions. There are many people who are successful without attracting the kind of negative attention and animosity she has. Of course, people then try to marginalize that as "oh you're just jealous", and then the endless loop repeats.

I'd like to think I'm the fascist ruler of Indigo, but it takes a hell of a lot of energy to be a fascist dictator, and I'm just too lazy. Therefore, anyone who has enough energy to run a multi-sim continent with a theme that people enjoy that offers good service gets my respect.

Here's a full paragraph to describe me:

Lazy.

-Fl

I agree with you Cris, but I still think the people with valid reasons are far outnumbered by those without. I suspect it's nearly impossible to run a volume business like Anshe's, deal with as many different people as she does, and not rub a few of them the wrong way. I don't resent anyone's success, even those I personally don't like (like Prok for example).

Translation: Anshe does her homework on land values.

Seriously, its not like she clicks a button and the LL system places a bid for guarenteed profit and anything higher is a loss. And whats stopping anyone from bidding that sweet spot price point so that if Anshe outbids them, she will probably lose money? Nothing.

There's alot of stink about someone buying 1 account. If LL said no, Anshe would probably have still bought the 'content' but would have just had a ton more work to do to transfer the business from one account to hers. So LL saved her a ton of work by approving this account transfer. Woopeedoo! Im glad she didnt have to waste time. At the end of the day Anshe would have owned the content reguardless of LL. And whats stopping any of us from asking LL for such a favor given similar circumstances? Nothing. And if LL tells a few of us no? We roll up our sleeves and transfer the assets the old fashioned way. And that the end of the day we will have obtained our objective.

Um, yes there is, actually. Because Anshe's got an established cost structure in place, she can make more money than most other folks off a sim. So if you bid your "sweet spot", she can outbid you with hers and still make money, but if you outbid her you'll lose lots.

I suppose it comes down to perpsective. I rarely see someone speak out and think "ugh they're just jealous", especially given my own experiences with Anshe. While it is not possible to please everyone, it is possible to run your business in such a way that you don't openly flaunt arrogance and court controversy, and that you treat your fellow residents, competitors and customers with a consistent level of respect. There are many, many people who have done quite well in their respective fields who have avoided all of those pitfalls simply by not playing power monger games.

Do you think the grief that Aimee gets is justified or do you think it's just because she's so well known and visible? Why do you think it's any different for Anshe, regardless of your personal feelings towards her?

Based on your observations and that of a lot of other people in SL, it proves my thoughts that this is nothing more than a "game or whatever" for the very rich. Sure you can have fun in here and do a lot of things but you are extremely limited by the amount of bucks you want to throw into it. I am not a designer nor a creater of things, just want to have a good time as a reasonable cost. I am not sure about most of you in here but you add up, $50.00 a month for DSL = $600.00 plus $72.00 for the preimum account, and an average of $20.00 to $40.00 a month to buy things which equals out to about: $1200.00 a year just to be in SL. How many people really put that much into a game and still can't have a decent "house" with enough prims to make it look half way right. Bottom line is I'll stay in SL because on of the side benefits is that I have made a lot of good friends in here in the short period of time I have. It still eggs me that the average person can't "really do what they want" in here unless they are wealthy. P.S. I were a millionarie one thing is for sure I would never ever buy, rent, or trade anything with the female land baron. Secondly if I were a millionarie I would buy every single piece of land I could get my hands on and rent it for a reasonable rate.

Still did not get a response where you can find a piece of land and prims at a decent price.

Every single person who plays any other subscription based MMO in existence that doesn't offer player housing or custom content.

If no-one else has a house, it doesn't reflect negatively on you not to have one.

If everyone has the same house, it doesn't reflect negatively on you to have a bad one.

Everything is social in virtual space.

(Although I still have a great house in Anarchy Online. Shame I can't let anyone else into it. They really screwed up on that one. )

Oh good moronic judgement there buddy! Nice use of slang!


Fact of the matter IS LL does NOT limit the ammount of land a single person can have.

Fact :Anyone with a decent ammount of start up power CAN gain as much control over land as Anshe has

Fact: NOwhere in the TOS/CS does it state a limitation to land ownership


It IS LL's fault for not limiting it.

If she wants to go out and buy all the sims she can ,let her its her money . Until LL decided to limit the ammount of land bought by players there is NOTHING anyone can do but bitch and moan about it. EVEN then I doubt that will do anything but get the threads locked.

With ANY game there WILL be the top players. If you donot like how the game is run the bitch about it to the creators.Yes,she might have had neg issues with people. But it is up to them to take it up with either her or a Linden.

So yeah don't hate the player hate the owner of the game.

Explain to me how she can pay more for what a sim is worth and still make money. If she can pay more for what its worth and still make money then your initial value estimate was wrong was it not? But I assume you are really saying "she can take a loss on this property but at the end of the day her business still makes money"? If she can, why cant anyone else?

Chip you lost me on that one!