POLL: Sitting "camp" Chairs? GOOD OR BAD?

Heheh, well, I don't turn off my comptuer. But for those who would otherwise, good point.

This has nothing to do with camping cairs. Before that is was money balls. And before that it was something else (im tired and can't think of what that might have been). The "Most Popular Places" has been a joke since I started over a year and a half ago. Most likely it was before that too. Then again I've never been a person to actually like anything thats been labled as "most popular."

As to the incentives... One would hope that it would be more of a kick back for the people who are innovative and create amazing things. But instead we have Land Barons and sex club owners at the top of the list. This is generally a well known fact which is why we have over 400 different clubs with a constant barrage of junk in events. Don't get me wrong, there ARE people on that list that do amazing work but I would generally put them at the top instead of shoved into the middle. This may not be "fair" but life aint fair. Fair is a place where pigs get ribbons. This again is in no way a new thing.

And as to the impression newbies get... well obviously with the amount of new clubs that spring up every week, they think they can do a better job and open up a club themselves. Either that or they come to realize that going to a club in sl is a lot less fun then irl and find something better to do with there time.

Then again, I might just be an extremly bitter animator who spends hours a day fighting with Poser only to sell them for 100L each. We all choose what we do with our SL time. If someone wants to use people's afk time so they can feel better about themselves because they are on some pointless list, oh well.

*edited cause i felt like it.

Shameless plug lol

I give away money at my place but i dont use camping chairs or money balls. if u go to SL Playground in Whitestone (208,67) and fly all the way up in the middle, u will be in a maze. green orbs spawn there that r worth a few L$ each. u have 2 find them and touch them (and u have 2 be close). Then u get the free L$

Ys, I do it 2 get traffic. but it does require interaction and many peeps find it fun. AFK campers dont get rewarded at all lolz.

i look at it as spending money on advertisement while providing a fun way of making a few xtra L$.

i dont know if that would be considered gaming the traffic system but if it is, i am guilty.

either way, come hunt for free money at SL Playground. itz more fun than camping chairs lolz or dancing under a money ball.

ok, sry 4 the advertising.

I think the chairs are pretty good overall ... people earn money .. they watch movies (I have seen like 5 this week lol!) .. they chat ... they dance even ... I have met some nice people camping out and seen many newbies helped a great deal ~ because people are more willing to answer questions when they aren't preoccupied doing other things.

I have been to clubs and more "active" places and not had a single person talk to me or respond in chat. I think the chairs *especially in some locations* provide quite a bit of social activity.

Yes there are people who are afk ... but that is the same anywhere you go really. People pop in and out of the chat as they are able. If a good movie is playing, you will not see much chatter and it will look the same as the picture that was posted ... but that doesn't mean that everyone is afk and just collecting Lindens.

LOL, I LOVE the idea of being able to watch a movie and collect Lindens at the same time! Same with Tringo - makes the wait between games more worthwhile if you are collecting a bit along the way and helps make up for the losses

That's another thing.

These dwell factories... are any of them pulling a profit yet? I've yet to hear of any club success stories that are self-sustaining.

Handing out money and artificially inflating your traffic count is all well and good, but is it getting you a profit, or at least pulling even?

Almost everyone runs a club. Yes, a lot of them do it "for the love of the peepz" or whatever, but I've seen many many many clubs run as a RL business; employees, paychecks, advertisements, gimmicks, money areas, shopping areas, and whatever else. I've never seen a club owner on any of SL's many newspaper fluff articles about making mad money. It's always content creators or Anshe.

If you're putting out camping chairs, and money balls, and 3 tringo parlors, and a horrible looking shopping stall, and STILL not making any money with all the attention you get, then you, sirs and ladies, have lost at second life.

LF

Camp chairs are my primary source of income in SL. Thanks to the generosity of the owners. It's a job. Granted, it doesn't pay as much as going to a club with a money ball in it (I've made L$200/hr with a decent money ball), or being a w*ore (some make L$500/hr)....oh, I mean "escort", but it's still something you can do if you're afk for long periods of time.

I've found places that pay anywhere from L$12/hour to L$24/hour. At one point a casino was giving out L$60/hour but that only lasted a couple of days.... probably a mis-configured chair script ... in 20 chairs.

Current going camp chair rate at my areas is 20 to 24 per hour.


This does not hurt the economy because one has to be afk for an insane ammount of time before accumulating any decent stack of cash. My born-on date is 10/06/05 and I've only just now gotten over $5,000 in the Ginko Financial ATM. That's about equal to another weekly stipend at the current rate.

In my opinion would be the referral whores that bork the economy more than the campers.

People that recruit new users are borking the economy? How so?

Many good points.

When you say -

"I mean, is the top place on the "most popular list" really the "most popular" if what made it the "most popular" was a group of "afk" avatars sitting on money chairs?"

- maybe that's because there really isn't anything to do in this game anyway.

1. No support for entertainment.

2. Places like Spitooney closing down because it's too expensive to run them. People's rides getting broken with the update (wonder how that worked out? haven't heard from him lately).

3. People coming up with Bingo, Tringo, et. al, then visiting the forums to discover that the quasi-intellectuals here consider them low-life.

4. You can't see or move to do anything anyway. Heck, now that the front page map is changed, IT starts out gray every time for me! That is so annoying!

5. Entertainment places trying to make a buck anyway, and then coming to the forums to discover they are criticized for it - as in, let me point out that that place pictured above is SHOWING MOVIES. Those people aren't just sitting there for no reason.

I played Simball last night in TSO. I would like to do sports like that here, but as I say, I can't see or move to do it. I was pretty good in 1.6, but it sucketh now.

In other words - no, it's not good for first impressions. But it's an ACCURATE first impression.

coco

P.S. And as I've said since February, NOR is there any way to make money in this game, besides creating content or dealing in land.

Yet every time people come up with - are INGENIOUS enough and ENTERPRISING enough - to come up with a way someone who isn't a content creator to make money - everybody starts putting it down right and left.

I was thinking the same thing. After reading this thread I have been visiting places w/ these chairs.

In the larger establishments there are at least 10 people sitting at any given time (usually alot more). At $L4 per 10 mins or $L24 per hour, multiplied by 10 people, multiplied by 24 hours, multiplied by 30 days, equals $L172,800 or $691.20 USD per month.

I think dwell chairs are great, they are the Robin Hood of SL.

Guys, just a heads up. Dwell doesn't work on how long you stay in a place. Your Avatar creates so much automatic "dwell" every day. It doesn't matter if you stay in a place for five hour or five minutes, you only give it a certain Percentage of your daily Dwell. There's just a minimal cap on how long you have to stay in a place before it applies to the parcel (so random fly overs don't sap your dwell). Park your agent in a sim for five minutes or so, it gets a % of your daily dwell. Sitting around "camping" all day doesn't give you extra. It just takes a few minutes to log in an alt, let them sit, then log them out. Granted, it's kinda a poor way to get dwell but it works.

I was just thinking, if you log in all five of your alts 24/7 for 30 days, keep them in camping chairs, you would rake in $345.60 per month.

Well I gotta run and log in my alts now.....bye!

Ummm...this isn't an MMORPG where you try and get ahead of the next person.

What exactly do you mean by "Do you think this is fair?" How is it unfair? How does it adversely affect you?

I am also eager to hear this explanation.

First, this isn't a fad, Travis. A fad is something you spend money on, like the tinies.

Second, how is this different from from money balls at a club? From drawing people to your land with a money tree?

94% of the population does not have their own place to hang out with their friends. I've no interest in being paid to sit on someone else's land. It would be presumptious and condescending for me to dismiss what other people do to increase their money to play the game. $3 for ten minutes? 20 minutes gets you an over 10% increase in a $50 weekly stipend.

The vast majority of people have not found sl compelling enough or worth the cash to spend on their own land. Understand how it is if you see a problem and want to change things. No one is going to change or care because you think less of them. No where in the sign up process does it caution people to reconsider joining and go play TSO if that's what they want their second life to be.

This is also what I thought, but I don't spend too much time thinking of dwell.

So all this money spent on the chairs is just a waste by people who have misinterpreted the dwell system?

BAD IDEA




I cannot name names, but the Linden's can..... (note : not everyone in the above mentioned link uses camp chairs, some actually work hard and deserve that reward)

They are giving out a few bucks to make major bucks. If you put down that you don't care, and you work hard to make your land an attraction, then you should be ashamed of yourself.

Why work hard to have content when you can get paid much more money by doing nothing... EVERYONE!! GO SET UP CAMP CHAIRS!!!

THE NEW WELFARE FOR THE RICH AND LAZY

Ask the people who are in the chairs if there should be chairs.

If they are popular, then they work. When they stop being popular, there will stop being chairs.

It's like trying to stop the Tringo craze. The only thing that will stop people playing Tringo is when they decide they don't want to play Tringo anymore. That someone else thinks they shouldn't be playing Tringo is irrelevant to them.

If the chairs don't work and no one is in them, they will go away. If there are people in them, then they are serving their small purposes in our multi-layered, rich and complex society.

coco

Phht, not for the rich. Anyone with a decent L$ balance has better things to do than inflate dwelloper numbers for paltry sums. Welfare? Meh, maybe. But at least it's coming out of resident pockets instead of Linden cash generators.

I dunno, I'm not too concerned over this particular fad. I don't see it lasting forever. It's mostly boring and I don't think that the landowners are getting what they think they are getting out of it. Give it time to work itself out.

And anyway, I don't suspect it would be that hard to make an event that is more exciting than idling in a chair. Even if someone isn't getting paid to be there.

Mixed opinions...

LOL

I went there and got a chair, i set it out and going to use people to "test" dummy to see if its worth it

Newbie person here again.

Before:

I had no idea how I was going to make any L$ until I learned how to make something and set up shop. Anything that would generate a little L$ in my pockets beyond my weekly allownace would help. (Newbies don't know about or where the free stuff is, right? Not until they stumble on it or someone tells them.) Stuff is expensive here. Buying L$ with USD is not an option for me.

Finding out about money trees and camping chairs looked appealing. Easy, no crafting and probably an opportunity to meet people and learn things.

After:

Money Trees. Now that is a task. It's like a scavenger hunt. Time consuming, boring, little return on a large investment in time. Like gambling. Odds of hitting the jackpot? Bah. Boring. Boring. Only benefit I saw to seeking out Money Trees was finding new places to go window shopping. (Too broke to buy anything but it is fun to look.)

Camp Chairs: I tried out a couple places. One was packed solid. You couldn't hardly see the chairs because there were so much stuff in there to assault your eyes. Social interaction? Nope. Zombies were in every chair. Lots of people there, no one talking. I didn't learn anything in there. I tried a few other places. All the same. Zombies in chairs.

Result:

I won't be "farming" money trees or camp chairs again. It's boring. I didn't learn anything new about how things work or where things are. And it became painfully obvious that falsely boosting the dwell for those places has created a BIG lie. People looking for a truly popular place are being misled. And it wastes your time.

Instead, a few other newbie friends and I stumbled upon a nice mall with a dance club. The owners were there and gave us a warm welcome and told us how to use the items in the club. We spent the entire evening there dancing, chatting, learning stuff. And having a good time.

That is what a popular place should be. Fun. Without the facade of zombies in chairs to make it look "hot."

Paper dolls in a scene in a box is just a diorama, yes? If I want to see zombies I will go play EQ2.

I think this sounds really neat Ravenous! You have created a game that people can play to earn money. I think making something that is interactive is much more valuable than something where people just sit afk.

When I was a mentor, I used to tell people to go to events, as many as possible whenever they could. Even ones that did not give money. Because the more you go to, the more people you meet. The more ideas seep into your head, and the more likely you will learn more so you can turn around and make your own creative ways to make money and contribute to the community. And if you aren't at an event where everyone is just afk, you are more likely to make a network of friends.

SL is still in the "develop the world" stage. I figure it will be at least a year or two before it is really ready for those who come *only* as consumers. So I'm always happy to hear of new ways people are doing business.

I started SL just over two weeks ago and I got very lucky. I became a manager at The Edge and started earning good L for it. .. Also there are many events to win at the edge. So, my initial responce to the money chair debate was, WHY? Anyone can earn L by getting out and interacting with others.

Now The Edge has not paid me for events and I have learned that the events are just a popularity contest and the winners are those who show the most skin...err. texture.

I no longer have my job and am now dirt poor.....

KEEP THE CHAIRS is my answer now. Only problem is that I see that there are people sitting in the chairs who have been in world for months and some over a year. It does not bold well for SL nor gives me hope for my SL future to see that I will be sitting in these chairs months from now just to earn 4L every ten minutes.

You say I can create things to earn L? ... ummm.. I have learned to create clothes and furniture and houses and well, pretty much everything. But, look around.. EVERYBODY and their granny is creating and selling. There is NO market for anything. It's all been done, and been done a thousand times over.

What way is there to make L besides camping chairs?

Asri and I were doing the math on this last night, and these people are giving out a possible $2500 USD or more with camp chairs a month...
So leaves a few questions...

Do they know the value of a $L?
Do they have some sort of set up so they really aren't losing that much money?
What do they gain by this?

Holy shit, really?

Do you mind sharing the inputs and assumptions made to arrive at that figure? I'm not doubting it, just very curious.

$4L every 5 minutes
12x per hour = $48L
$48L x 24hours = $1152L
$1152L x 30 avies = $34,560L
$34,560 x 30 days = $1,036,800L
$1,036,800 = $5000 USD (approx)

Some locations are $4L every 10 minutes, so just cut the above figures in half