I have been Banned! Anyone know why?

I am a person who received a suspension.

I didn't request to be sent to the cornfield, I EXPECTED to be sent to the cornfield.

I later contacted you, since you had said you had been there, and you said that maybe it was just for "white collar criminals."

After which I put that exact question to Second Life Answers, and Torley answered that yes, it was just for "white collar criminals," which she explained as those who did something like deliberately continue to sell things in the welcome area after being warned several times not to.

Which would mean that those who state their opinions on the forums are far worse criminals than those who deliberately break rules.

That is fine by me. I'm proud to be an SL criminal, given that that is the case.

Where you come in again is by now being coy and suggesting that there may be or there may not be a cornfield, and suggesting that LL has been "playing along" - i.e., lying about it - all this time.

It is THAT which I don't think is cute.

coco

Read my previous response, this will be the same as that.

Not to get off topic, but what is this cornfeild you speak of? I have read about it on various sl websites, yet I have never been there, and I want to go see it.

so... how am I still getting paid as an owner of the single player version from Hox? like many other people said, we love the game. talk about bizarre

I am afraid that if they do not re-instate Hox and instead delete his account all of our single-player boards will probably quit working.

At the least, we will never be able to move one to a different location.


You know there's all this arguing going on, but we don't know exactly what Hox did, as far as details... we don't know if he even received any money illegally, or if so, how much.

I wish Linden Lab would consider something a little less harsh. He made a good game and he is an asset to the community.

These statements are at odds. As you correctly point out, we don't know the details of what happened. Following that, we aren't in a position to judge whether the punishment was harsh or not.

Well, we're obviously not managing to communicate.

coco

"I said it was real, LL said it was real. He said he still was not sure, so I was just stating what it would have taken for it to still not be real. Think what you want."

OK, it's real then. That's what I thought you told me when I first contacted you about it.

coco

Hox appreciates all your comments, good and bad, and is trying to go through standard LL channels to find some resolution.. He also wants me to relay that he no longer has access to the forums and so can not respond to any private messages sent via the forums but to send him RL email instead...
[EDIT: I will provide his email to anyone who sends me a SL IM from a premium account.]

On a personal note, as a message from me..
I think its terribly irresponsible for LL to issue bans without even an explanation to the person being banned. This is the 2nd time i've seen this to friends i know.. and to be honest.. they still dont have a real reason from LL on why they were banned.. these are just hypothetical reasons. And of course LL will hide behind the fact that they dont have to give a reason.. yeah techincally they don't but they have a social responsibility to its community to explain such actions. We are not JUST paying customiers, we are the community on which LL survives and generates its profits.

Also I've seen far more severe actions being done by people who are still in the game. because there is no "monetary" loss.. or suffering.. doesn't lessen the severity of these other offenses. Griefers have blown whole games i've been participating or hosting into new sims.. and I still see them around. I liken this to speeding tickets.. is going 3mi over the limit more dangerous than cutting across 3 lanes of traffic on a freeway going 50mph/80kph with no blinker and in the span of 100m stopping all traffic on all these lanes just to avoid a line of traffic in the exiting lane?? but see they have numerical proof on the former and the latter while significantly worse in offenses.. they dont want to touch.

thats just my 2pesos...
from Irina Gobo, that foxxy gal andsometimes a gal fox!

Personally i dont care who you are and i have no personal hate or like for you.. but frankly reading what you say, what other people say, and the facts which can be easily found via the forums.. it is clear that you hav done significant wrongs equal or worse than Hox.. the fact that you were not immediately banned does not prove your innocence (or as you say since you admitted your guilt therefor you are in the clear--collateral damage so to speak) as you repeatedly insist it does. It merely reflects the extreme inconsistancies in LL's justice system and the way and amount of punishment they mete.

You continually defend LL and try and paint Hox as this evil criminal.. totally unlike you of course... this thinly veiled attempt merely gives me more reason for me to believe that you too realize your own guilt. By defending LL you reinforce in your mind your innocence because you were not persecuted.

Feel free to drag my name through the dirt.. nitpick my statements so you can feel better aboutyourself, insult my intelligence, whatever you find amusing.... Personally I'm done with you and your "reality" all your future posts will be read, but not responded to.

to all others, there will always be griefers in some form or fashion.. age and their length of stay in SL is no indication that they are not.

Gabe,

I am going mostly on the fact that I've known Hox for quite a while now, and often had him at my sim while he tested newer versions of Boogie for script load (I could give him access to the script load list in the Estate Tools so he could see his progress in lowering the load).

Hox was always very nice, polite, and I never got any feeling from him that he was a "bad guy" and would be a thief. Maybe he wrote a script to listen to slot machines just to see if it could be done? Many programmers are like that, I've noticed... they will often try to do a thing just to say "I did it!" after they make it work.

You are right though, we don't know how severe his offense was. I agree. But I think Hox has added a lot to SL with his game. I just hope LL would factor in a year's worth of good behavior and making a game that so many enjoy in their deliberations.. that is if they even review?

First, this issue is so last year. Second, where did I say I was innocent?

As I always start out when I post to the forum.... I RARELY POST, nor rarely read the forums. I don't have much time in-world to be in SL, nor out of world to read the forums. But when something just gets to me, I have to post!

I can only think in my mind, that people in our first life, who commit a crime or an offense that needs to be dealt with... go to jail. As a democratic society, we hope and demand that the punishment fits the crime. In a democratic society, once that person serves the time, they would come back into society. They served the time, they paid their dues.

Many of us read in the news of those "felons" who came out of prison/jail and committed another crime. None of us ever read of those "felons" who came back into society, realized they made a mistake, and went on to give back 500 percent to society. It's because that doesn't make good news! People like to read the bad stuff.

I met Hox just a short couple of weeks ago. He was one of the most helpful and sincere people on SL that I can think of in recent weeks. He had no agenda, he wasn't trying to steal anything from me. I believe with my heart, that Hox made a bad mistake a year ago, and he is paying dearly for it now. I totally believe, that people do make mistakes and they can come back in our first life as well as our second life, and contribute for the better.

I hope and pray, that Hox has been able to pay his "dues" for whatever he did a year ago, and is allowed to make amends, and be a part of a democratic SL society.

My vote is to give Hox a chance again... Heck, if we never gave anyone a chance when they "broke the law" AND put them in jail forever, what kind of world is that?! (sounds like a good society to me,, however, don't YOU ever make a mistake!)

Kathy Dayton
(p.s. if someone brings up one point, that serial killers, sexual abusers of children, or anything in that realm of criminalism (is that a word?) should not go to jail for life,, I will hunt you down and throw wet noodles at you, if I can find someone who sells wet noodles in world!)

I've thought of that, too, Kathy. The thing about punishment being for life.

Also, shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on things?

Just some things I have thought.

coco

Can I have the wet noodles without bringing up those points, please?