How many enemies do you have?
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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12-03-2005 14:40
Lately the subject of SL enemies has come up and I began to wonder, how many enemies is a good number!? For the sake of this poll, lets define an enemy as the following: An SL enemy is someone you dislike beyond the point of indifference, where you may actively change your bahavior to avoid them or score "points" against them.Please do not name your enemies or hint at who they are. This thread should not be used to score some of those aforementioned points  . Instead, I thought this would be an interesting topic and it would be good for self reflection.
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Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
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12-03-2005 14:41
I've got lots!  If you get in the way of someone else, or stand-up for injustices (or do stupid things when having too much), you'll make lots of enemies. It's a part of life if you enjoy challenging, exploring new areas of SL or RL. I wondered what it would be like to now meet other people in SL after 3 years, and I'm worried I'd be decked! lol
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Kujila Maltz
lol
Join date: 6 Aug 2005
Posts: 444
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12-03-2005 14:48
I don't have any enemies, just people I get annoyed with sometimes.
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-03-2005 14:57
Wow, Hank and Kujila on opposite ends of the spectrum. So here is a second question... What number of enemies is the "best?" I mean in terms of the greatest "virtue" (whatever THAT means  ) One could say that Hank has too many enemies and should be nicer to people like Kujila. On the other hand, maybe Hank is fighting the good fight while Kujila isn't getting involved enough? So what is the ideal number of enemies one can have where they are actively participating in life, but not in a mean abrasive way?
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Takashi Resistance
Master Builder
Join date: 28 Nov 2005
Posts: 43
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12-03-2005 15:00
5-8 is the best cause its not quite to where they are storming your home with torches and pitch forks but you can get some good ol prankster action going on.
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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12-03-2005 15:03
From: Aimee Weber Lately the subject of SL enemies has come up and I began to wonder, how many enemies is a good number!? For the sake of this poll, lets define an enemy as the following: An SL enemy is someone you dislike beyond the point of indifference, where you may actively change your bahavior to avoid them or score "points" against them. Please do not name your enemies or hint at who they are. This thread should not be used to score some of those aforementioned points  . Instead, I thought this would be an interesting topic and it would be good for self reflection. Incredible definition, Aimee. That's not my definition of enemies at all! And I have referred to having them. What I have meant by enemies though, is something more along the lines of: "An SL enemy is some who dislikes me, and their behavior reflects that, by attepting to score 'points' against me, or in some other way, impede my general progress." I would not say beyond the point of indifference, however, because once people are indifferent to you, they are no longer your enemy. It never occured to me to think of it as the other way around. I thought everyone, when saying "enemy," meant someone else who didn't like them, and worked against their best interests. Interesting. coco
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Frans Charming
You only need one Frans
Join date: 28 Jan 2005
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12-03-2005 15:16
From: Cocoanut Koala It never occured to me to think of it as the other way around. I thought everyone, when saying "enemy," meant someone else who didn't like them, and worked against their best interests. Interesting.
I think it is more often the otherway around. It is you who decide whom your enemies are. Somebody can be nasty and hatefull to you but if you don't care about that person it doesn't have to become a enemy. The otherway around, sometimes just your competition can feel like your arch enemy, eventhough they are friendly towards you, you can become very hatefull because they allways seem to beat you. And your competition probably doesn't see you as a enemy at all. It's all in your own minds eye.
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Noel Marlowe
Victim of Occam's Razor
Join date: 18 Apr 2005
Posts: 275
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12-03-2005 15:18
I don't think I have anyone I think of as an enemy in RL or SL. As to whether I would score points against them... I tend to be a smart alec and I like poking fun at people that take things a little too seriously. However if someone gives me an opening, I have to take it, friend or "foe." I guess what saves me from certain retribution is the fact that often the first person I laugh at is myself. P.S. Aimee, I hate you. I hate you! I HATE you! 
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
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12-03-2005 15:18
In Second Life, you do not have enemies. In Second Life, enemies have you. 
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Frostie Flora
Dilly-Dally Shilly-Shally
Join date: 27 May 2004
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12-03-2005 15:21
I have as many enemies as there are 350 prim no texture tourus hair's in SL,
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Kujila Maltz
lol
Join date: 6 Aug 2005
Posts: 444
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12-03-2005 15:24
I am too scared to make enemies on Second Life. I ph34r Linden Lab intervention XD
I had a three day suspension once, and I almost died due to lack of SecondLife in my bloodstream 0_0
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-03-2005 15:26
From: Frans Charming I think it is more often the otherway around. It is you who decide whom your enemies are. Somebody can be nasty and hatefull to you but if you don't care about that person it doesn't have to become a enemy. The otherway around, sometimes just your competition can feel like your arch enemy, eventhough they are friendly towards you, you can become very hatefull because they allways seem to beat you. And your competition probably doesn't see you as a enemy at all.
It's all in your own minds eye. Exactly Fran. It reminds me of something said by Tray Parker and Matt Stone form Comedy Central's Southpark. They mentioned they were in an ongoing war with Barbara Streisand...but she doesn't even know it. She MAY have never even heard of Southpark 
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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12-03-2005 15:26
From: Frans Charming I think it is more often the otherway around. It is you who decide whom your enemies are. Somebody can be nasty and hatefull to you but if you don't care about that person it doesn't have to become a enemy. The otherway around, sometimes just your competition can feel like your arch enemy, eventhough they are friendly towards you, you can become very hatefull because they allways seem to beat you. And your competition probably doesn't see you as a enemy at all. It's all in your own minds eye. Well, if someone is nasty and hateful to me, I am going to decide that person wants to be an enemy. In fact, this has actually happened (more than once, on these forums), where someone I like and have nothing against is absolutely bound and determined that we should be enemies. So, you know, eventually I have to accept it. I don't care about it that much, as I figure it is that person's problem, but neither does it mean I'm going to define them as "not my enemy" when they are clearly defining themselves as "my enemy" and plan to, and may have even stated plans to, effect my demise in small or entire ways. It would be foolish to not pay attention. You look like an idiot, for one thing, when you keep approaching someone in a friendly fashion who continues to call you names or something. Having said that, though, the situation can always change, and they will no longer want to be enemies. As for the competition thing, I don't relate to that in terms of enemies. Competition is different from enemies. I generally like my "competition" because we can talk shop talk together, lol. And corroborate where it benefits us both. And none of the people I talk shop with have any "enemy" thing going, either, I don't think. If I feel someone has my worst interests at heart, I'm going to consider that person an enemy. And, as I've said more than once on these boards now, I never had any enemies before I came here. But even I know that after a few overtures you give it up and just accept that you have the enemy, or you're an idiot. coco
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Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
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12-03-2005 15:31
I am my own enemy.
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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12-03-2005 15:36
Heh, yeah, I can't imagine disliking anyone. I ignore/scan people faster when I doubt they'll have anything useful to say, but dislike?
Naahh, life is way to short for that.
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Captain Barmy
Pirateocrat
Join date: 18 Mar 2005
Posts: 187
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12-03-2005 15:46
I've got a fun story about this topic!  Back when I signed up for the free trial, I tried my hand at LSL. When I paid and got my land, I tried to build TVs, since 1.6 had just been released. Video was (and still is, occasionally) glitchy as hell, so I spent a good amount of time learning LSL and trying to keep myself from having to restart a movie every time SL crashed. Well, it worked, and I opened myself a shop and started selling these TVs. Fast forward a few months -- I get an IM while flying around the grid. I often get IMs from people I don't know -- customers, potential customers, movie watchers. So, we talk for a bit, then the convo turns sour immediately. I'm accused of stealing my code from this person, being an alt, and then lying when I said I wasn't an alt. I made the mistake of trying to have fun with this, since this was clearly a case of mistaken identity. So I say, "OK, I'm an alt. You got me. Alty McAltster. But seriously, now, you have to tell me who I really am, so I can believe you!" No dice. I go another route. "Okay, I'm not an alt. But I really need to know who you think I am, so I can contact them and clear this up." Again, no luck. I feel like I'm playing an RPG, where the main character needs to extract a key bit of information but can't quite utter the magic keyword. My responses range from "please" to "Seriously, I don't believe you. Who am I?" but nothing works: "You know who you are." "I suffer from blackouts and amnesia. I must know who I am, so I can right my wrongs and discover who I am!" Shades of the Bourne Identity. But, I'm an alt, apparently, and so I get triple negrated by several people. Cursed army of negraters! So -- moral of the story is: One of you out there has an enemy, who thinks that I'm you, and so I'm an enemy now by proxy. 
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Talon Lardner
Mouse by night
Join date: 5 Oct 2005
Posts: 141
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12-03-2005 15:57
No enemies so far, besides the random curt person and the unattentionally annoying person who means well but could have checked themselves before posting (I.E. "What are you doing out of FurNation?"  , but luckilly, that is the most it got to, and ended up having a good chat with that person.
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Kujila Maltz
lol
Join date: 6 Aug 2005
Posts: 444
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12-03-2005 15:57
Ugh... what a story! =0
Thank God negative ratings have been removed, though! Really, that was the best feature of 1.7 =D
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Zapoteth Zaius
Is back
Join date: 14 Feb 2004
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12-03-2005 15:59
Shit.. I put 2-4.. But I've been thinking and I've got more.. It'd be intresting to know how many people consider me an ememy.. PM ME IF YOU DO! I won't cry! 
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
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12-03-2005 16:00
From: Captain Barmy Again, no luck. I feel like I'm playing an RPG, where the main character needs to extract a key bit of information but can't quite utter the magic keyword. My responses range from "please" to "Seriously, I don't believe you. Who am I?" but nothing works: "You know who you are." This is hilarious. I'm not accused of being an alt, but in the many convos I have with people I don't know, I am usually positive that some technical glitch has occured and the person I am IMing with is not having the same conversation as I am. I am usuallly snorting and laughing at my desk while I try to decipher what the hell is going on. As for my one enemy, I remember.... 
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Kujila Maltz
lol
Join date: 6 Aug 2005
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12-03-2005 16:02
From: Gabe Lippmann I am usuallly snorting and laughing at my desk while I try to decipher what the hell is going on. Yeah, I love these sorts of IM's: "Well obviously that I mean that avatar was probably in the obvious area I mean really what are you trying to pass it off in there?! !1 SERIOUSLY" "orly?"
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Noel Marlowe
Victim of Occam's Razor
Join date: 18 Apr 2005
Posts: 275
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12-03-2005 16:03
I was thinking about this poll and it may be a little discrimatory. What about people with imaginary enemies? Can we have a scale that goes both ways? i8-i5, i4-i2, i1, 0, 1, etc.
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Kujila Maltz
lol
Join date: 6 Aug 2005
Posts: 444
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12-03-2005 16:07
XD YES! "I have so many enemies it's complex!" *Wah wah wahhhh sound* 
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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12-03-2005 16:09
From: Kujila Maltz Ugh... what a story! =0
Thank God negative ratings have been removed, though! Really, that was the best feature of 1.7 =D Ah, neg rates weren't really a big deal .. in fact, I never gave one negative rating in the entire time I was in SL.
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Tren Neva
Registered User
Join date: 16 Oct 2004
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12-03-2005 16:31
Hrrm, no enemies here. Everyone in the universe loves me. I do hate everyone thats not me though.
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