A warm, welcoming community indeed.

You got the urls right, Alain - you just need to add the url tag (replace the {} below with [])

{url=secondlife://Sabulella/32/184}Sabulella (32, 184){/url}

I don't know why anyone should bother with "police line" red tape. Nothing is so important in SL that it ought to be kept a secret! And it certainly isn't so helpful to use red tape if you can still SEE the property (and there are better ways of covering things up...).

BTW I bought my lightsabre in Luskwood, and now I know why it was available there.

You and I both, LOLEX. That's a shop with some neat treasures that've been in SL for awhile.

Aaactually, we've got nothing to do with Jedi anything... we had those lightsabres in our shop before any of the Jedi groups existed on SL... Hell, we had those there before there were more than 6 furries total in SL.

Anyways, the only people we ban or eject in Luskwood have to try *real hard* to get it done... In other words, it's only used for very persistent problems. Usually those folks don't have their accounts on SL for very long anyways, so nobody usually notices.

My standard policy, unless they're causing major trouble (AKA already on the ban list) I will talk with them first, ban only if they are a threat...
In Luskwood I've had 2 people get snippy about my asking them to disarm when I sense trouble... I've sent 3 others home when they have caused trouble, one of which got his second AR from me, resulting in a short term ban (I only cheer for that because he firebombed Luskwood) the other... blocked the Luskwood telehub while it was there... (should have heard the AR shutters go off when that happened, over 10 witnesses, all ready to file the ARs) there's no reason to be paranoid on the mainland (I direct that at land owners) because most of the time, nothing bad happens, if it does turn sour (as was the case with the 2 incidents above) I've had a Linden on the scene within minutes to help out o.o
Liasions are there to help, yaknow...
Security Systems are only good if manually controlled for the sake of giving people half/ops over land (that is, permission to remove problems, but not sell land, a reasonable position given the [artificially, insanely, annoyingly, impractically] inflated land market)

End fox rant.

Kitsu. o.o

Seriously? Or are you joking? I'm still a newb so I really have no idea but if you are serious and there are mammoths and they can be ridden...

I want one.

Where does one get a free mammoth?

When I first set up my home, I didn't even know I'd locked everyone out because you can't see your own "red lines".

A neighbor IM'ed to tell me he could not cross from one of his own plots to another, so I turned it off.

What I dont' understand for those using security for privacy is why they don't turn it off when they are gone. If you are guarding industrial secrects, keep them in your inventory, not in walkable space.

I don't hold back anyone's right to privacy while in-world, but why lock off parts of SL when the owner is not there?

Any form of disruption will cause me to ban without giving a warning. One example would be that I'm holding a class and someone flys in and starts shooting all my students... I may send one IM saying "please stop" unless people are already flying (the victims).

When it comes to "privacy" I dont' see why a person would wait for someone to be loitering, have them ban everyone and allow their friends. Why even LET a person walk onto to land that they would get banned from for just standing there.

Don't misread me.. Foo did nothing wrong. I think it's a case of too much power driven by too little thinking.

I just remembered-- the Star Wars comic book (the original one) had a large green rabbit furry in it. He wasn't a Jedi though.

Off topic but Jesrad gave me a mammoth and its unbelievably cool and I just wanted to give him a shout out for being so nice and sending the big wooly my way.

Whole thing seems rather silly to me. The only part of my house I keep locked is my underground living area. Folks are welcome to come swim, play, and use the poseballs in my mountaintop hotspring in Koss. Just as long as you don't mind the fog and snow.

Clear skys in Periwinkle! We even have a playground with a swingset and such things. All welcome, mind the construction and incomplete builds. hehe

Actually this is more frusting for me when out boating. Personally, if you have the time, I think touring by boat is a great way to see SL. So often we TP into a hub, zoom quickly up to avoid the CommercialZone Crapeteria you often find there, and then zip off to our destinations. You miss alot of REALLY cool and interesting stuff that way. Saling along, navigating the waterways to avoid dead ends, looking at what all the creative people have built, and finding little out-of-the-way treasures you never knew existed. Its a great way to "recharge". Getting trapped by dueling red barriers or suddenly blown out of my boat by a script is a real bummer.


Alexin
Sail Second Life!

Actually, if you turned on property lines, you can navigate the boat along the strip of public linden land that runs down the center of most waterways.

There are a few spots on the map where you're walled in on both sides by the ban fences. Were the owners home? Of course not. They wouldn't want anybody to discover their omg teh sekret dokuments!!11

I also have another viewpoint to offer.

When my meta-group all went in together to buy land, we found a very peaceful, idyllic shoreline in a sparsely-populated sim that was perfect. We cheerfully divided up our big chunk of land and set about building our community. We were blissfully happy, for a while.

That was before a club owner bought up about half of the sim next to us and erected the ugliest, most annoying dance club/strip mall I think I've ever seen. At first I wasn't too upset because it's across the sim line right next to my lot, but over time I've had to mute his raffle ball, half of his event hosts and the odd noisy guest who can think of nothing better to say than "^^Howwwwwlzzzz^^". Over and over.

My house is actually in the sky a ways, ideal to escape the noise radius of this blight, but that doesn't stop random club customers from nosing around on my small plot and dropping their stupid prims.

So I enabled restricted access. I installed a security system in my loft that gives 10 seconds warning and then only ejects from the land (it uses the softest push settings). It's my way of asserting my territory when I'm living in the shadow of all that makes SL trashy. And I refuse to apologize for excluding the "^^Howlzz^" morons next door.

The Lindens are always looking for L$ sinks to keep the economy going. They should charge a monthly fee for enhanced privacy. Banning/pushing/teleporting AVs would only be possible if you pay the fee. Banning individual AVs should remain free. This would apply a gentle social pressure to get people to think about needing so much privacy in SL. There would need to be a fee waiver system so that people like Cindy, who have a legimate privacy needs, don't get penalized for having rude neighbors.

Property lines? feh! What kind o' real sailors be usin' property lines fer navigatin'!


Sadly, alot of waterways don't have public linden land. We bought more land in Periwinkle just to make sure we could keep the cross-sim river open.

Only if griefing/harrassing/setting off C4 in the middle of a gathering, begets a fee of at least twice that.

I have a better idea. How about just a simple zoning law so that some sims are commercial and others are residential, and there's an easement restriction that keeps clubs from building up to the boundary line.

That'd be too simple, I guess. It should have been done a long time ago.

Yes... like when your phone company charges you to unlist your phone number from its directory. (actually I don't like that they do that, but yes, it makes you decide if you are willing to pay for it)

Simple? Heh, there's been whole threads devoted to zoning!

It all comes down to enforcement - not really possible, especially in a world where you can put down a house and start a strip club / adult bookstore inside it within 5 minutes of buying your land!

I'm well aware of that.


In SL, anything was supposed to be possible.

Unless it means LL actually enforcing something.

Enforcement is a problem because the only system of penalties is the abuse report with warnings, suspensions and bannings. An alternate system for less severe grievances is needed and tying it to fines which would also provide a money sink for LL. Enable the ability to zone, work with resident committees to develop codes and guidelines.

Establish fines, make them progressive for repeat offences, and define a quantity which would equate to a warning/suspension/ban. Develop specific codes and guidelines for clubs and shopping districts. Utilize this alternate system for grievances such as visual, audio, or particle disruptions of events and meetings and pg sim violations as well.

Not enough in your account to pay your fines? Buy some lindens or wait till payday rolls around to come back. This could be the start of paying for entertainment . Griefers find it entertaining to annoy people, right?

You can come visit me on my lot in Sleezywood. I can show you my shortbus bed, my cardboard box bathroom, my electrical spool table, my fireplace (campfire) or my lovely birdbath that Kyle Mosely keeps peeing in. Just message first, cause lots of times my neighbors and friends are playing with their guns or I'm not there

What happens if you have no L$ and you won't buy any L$? If you are on a 50L$ income, it could take quite a while to pay off fines.

Plus what is annoying to you may not be annoying to me. Even non-ugly builds can look bad if you look at them the wrong way. I do not want to be part of community that desides what I can build, and how it must look.

I have no doubt that this view is ideal is very important to you as you seem to express it every time the topic arises. I am not disregarding the your opinion as well as the many who share it. I do feel since I have asked before, why there isn't room for residential, commercial AND free zones, that you are not allowing for anyone elses opinion on the matter.

While you insist you would not be part of this community should zoning be incorporated, many others have abandoned the mainland due to situations as described by Cindy in this thread. Not all of them have flown to private island rentals; I know it doesn't appeal to me as I prefer the mainland for much the same reasons as you. Still, living in a sim which goes from good performance to lagfest can give one pause. I don't think it's too much too ask that you consider some options if premium & tier paying membership retention and growth has value to LL as well as yourself.

I look at the map and compare it to when I joined less than a year ago. Is it necessary for you to be able to build what you want in any and every square meter of the mainland?