A warm, welcoming community indeed.

Didnt you know? Torley is faster then the speed of Cheese.

re: The Speed Of Cheese

This is why I like the old sims. You don't see much of that.

May I offer a different point of view? Perhaps it is the places you have been going to?

I have been in SL for three weeks. I bought first land in a first land sim. So all my neighbors are newbs as well. Apparently I picked up on learning faster than most so I've been able to help most of my neighbors out (directing them to Yadnis or the Ivory Tower, etc) and all of them are really neat folks. There's a few people who have the red lines up but, by and large, everyone is pretty open and understanding if you rez that new house you found at Yadnis on their land by accident. Its been really cool.

I've been all over the place. I love to explore. I went to Nexus Prime, I found a carnival at Heaven and Hell, I found Free Tibet and a sports arena next to neo Japan as I was flying home from Free Tibet (TPing, while time saving, is awfully boring). I made a bunch of friends at the Phoenix Day Spa by going to their events. I went to the Breathe Estates and Lothlorien and the elven lands. I made friends at the Black Library and at the Monmorte Museum. I got to visit Amsterdam and Bavaria. I talked to people at Burning Life.

Everywhere I go, people are nice and friendly. They've been helpful, they've given me stuff to help me out - hell I even found someone who will pay me to learn how to build! How cool is that?

Yeah there are some red lines and yeah, some security systems suck. But you move on. I've never been banned although if I get into an IM session I try to be on public land or up in the air. And if I'm exploring private property and the residents are there I always ask for permission to check it out -- I've never had anyone say no. Usually I get a tour because people are happy to show off their l33t building skills.

Maybe its just the places you are going? I'll admit, I have yet to run into any Jedi people or lands. And, well, ok you know like the Sith are evil? I wouldn't expect oh say Sauron to be a nice chap either (I've heard rumor that Mordor is somewhere in SL but I've yet to find it).

Really good points, Viv. I had pretty much the same experience.

But what that doesn't explain is: If Torley moves faster than cheese, and cheese moves faster than light, then wouldn't her lightsaber have got left behind?

No because it has non-cheese and non-light elements to it and they tend to slow the entire thing down because they are all linked in some magical force-like Jedi sekret knowledge fashion. Good thing too because if this were not the case, then you would have exploding light sabres all over the place and they would leave little bits of cheese behind and the bits would get all moldy and smell and then people who were allergic to mold which is pretty much everyone would get sick and then they would be contagious and get all their friends sick and then we'd have plague and we would all die.

So I'm really happy the Jedi have handled all that.


This cheesy and totally silly reply brought to you by Viv

Erk! I'm not going to be able to get this one out of my head now!

So... are there any faster-than-light ships in the StarWars universe? and has anyone ever used a lightsabre on one while doing max warp? If not, we need to petition George Lucas for an answer to this!

My bet is there'll be some lame shit excuse about dampening field generating type widgets. The same ones you presumably would need to avoid having to scrape the crew off the interior walls after warp.

Come walk in Federal, Crystalshard, we are all nice folks

CS....you actually LEFT your little haven?? MY GOD!!! O>>>M>>>>GGG!!!! Hehe ^^ nuff that, yea your right, i get sick of it myself, but there's nothing worse then entire sims on the map, you warp to and end up bouncing or not allowed in cuz of not done, or banned or crap like that. You should try blowing up those jedi who are so paranoid give them something to worry about ^_^

Maybe people like their privacy?

It's your world, your imagination.

You can have whatever you want, including a private parcel.

On a side note - has anyone else noticed that if you bump into the red bars of someone's restricted parcel and that boundary of said parcel is abutting a sim line, you get bounced well over an entire sim away?

Highly annoying.

I agree privacy is nice to have, but getting thrown across a sim without prior warning is not the way to go about it.

I now report aggressive security scripts that push me a great distance without warning sometimes causing me to crash. There is no reason for this.

I was on an island sim shopping and walked to one corner of the store when I was suddently, without warning, transported home. This was an aggressive security script that was overlapping into the sim owners store! Why invite people to your land, expect to get their money for your products, and then have a nasty security script waiting to toss them without warning?

That vendor may have protected her home, which was still under construction with untextured prims, but she lost a customer.

I wish an advocate of the aggressive genre of secrurity scripts would explain the need or desirability of that to me cause I just dont get it!

More than annoying Nolan...it's bad. I juss dun git it.

The fundamental problem really is zoning.

There are lots of things we all do or don't like about sims, but because SL refuses to implement zoning, it is difficult for these preferences to be organized and implemented in a way that people can be happy.

Eventually, SL is going to have to face facts and implement zoning. The alternative is to make up draconian rules about what's allowed and what isn't.

The other part of the problem is telehubs, of course, which forces you to go over land that you don't want to go over.

That's a much more stickier problem.

I've got to say, I explore quite a bit and rarely have any trouble with security scripts and restricted parcels. I find them kind of silly, but they're rarely interesting places anyway, and if I stray over one, I'm generally gone before it can bounce me. What's more, the red bars only go up so far, making the top of a restricted parcel SL's best trampoline

As for roleplayers, be they Jedi, Space Marines, Goreans or Family, I rarely have trouble with them unless I butt into their games. Are their responses sometimes ridiculously aggressive? Sure, but you don't jump into a gator pit expecting to find a tea party.

Welcome to the real world where the just always pay for the sinners....

Alternatively, individual residents could watch where they're going when flying/walking around, and work together to form communities that reflect their vision of SL (as many of the aggressive roleplayers have done quite successfully, however annoying that is), and stop waiting for THEM (LL, in this case) to make it better.

Taking Zoning for example, there are plenty of privately owned, zoned rental sims these days. If that's the game you want to play, knock yourself out, but you're not going to draw everyone else into your game, anymore than other groups can turn all of SL into Gor or the Dark Empire.

Hmmm, I think not. Eventually SL will stop providing land themselves and owners of the various private grids will choose whether or not to implement zoning.

LOL, remember Walkabout with Cuby?

We were all having a blast until we got down way south into the southern most sims. The red bars were so prevalent that we had to zig-zag our way through them like mice in a maze. It took well over 4x the time to get through it all. Then at one point we were stuck surrounded by red on 3 sides and it was either backtrack the zig zag for 4 sims to find another route around or give up and fly. Everyone was so pissed off tired of it all and the cold unwelcoming feeling of the place that we gave up on the no fly rule and flew over it.

Funny how it was only in the southern most snow sims that it was so congested with red bars that there wasn’t a way to walk around. Once we got back to the more northern ones it was open doors again.

KX
(pisst CS, you know my home is always yours)

This is why I own a big chunk of Butler...I couldn't stand the red bars. My land is open to all. If you need someone to stand and chat in IM, stop by and have a seat under the trees. I can use the dwell lol.

If you think bars are weird in residencial areas, how about for stores? I had neighbors once (forgot where) who only allowed themselves and the other two people in their group into their store area. Wonder if they got many sales

Red bars in the 'hood ? Then you need a mammoth. Mammoths are so tall, they walk over the "no entry" bars, taking you along on the ride ! And they're free !

I may not have a lot of perspective on this, being new and all, but I don't run into that kind of hostility very much at all...

Granted it DOES happen, but not more than once a day, and I am pretty active.
More to the point, I have been here for about two weeks, and in that time, I have seen 5 properties with redbars (One of which was supposed to be a first-land for sale... I couldn't get to it to buy it... ), been teleported home once (While flying over someone's land in a vehicle) and been warned to vacate the premises within 12 seconds once.

I have seen far more green bars than red... and from the look of things, the greenbar properties really don't have anything I am looking for since I have no "boy bits" at this point.

I guess I just don't go to the "right" places...
Which is just as well, I guess.

As for the availability of my land, it is open to everyone for visits. Please come see my places and let me know what you think...

secondlife://Sabulella/32/184
secondlife://Cass/80/64
(edit: How do I post links that will take people to the location?)

If The landmark at Cass drops you in a bare field, go across the street, next to the ugly billboard...

The red bars, while annoying, are also pretty funny if you think about it.

First, these people actually think it gives them privacy. It doesn't. And it makes people more inclined to look.

Second, they think they're doing something interesting enough to warrant it. Chances are they're either ashamed of someone seeing their collection of restraint tables and anal beads, or they're just clumsily cybering someone.

The red bars around property lines is the SL equivalent of putting a bicycle chain on a leopard-print Yugo. Easy to get through, but no one wants to anyway.

Well if we didn't have a ban list, then we'd have people complaining about the other way around, so I don't understand this argument. It's a lose/lose situation.