Clueless Gits

All I can say is that "gits" haven't forced me to build sky boxes and they never will. I enjoy my houses down on the ground where they were meant to be by god. No loser is going to ruin my Second Life experience though many have tried all have failed.

I'm talking about privacy. Behavior is your bugaboo.

I must be one of those mutant people who only ever get unexpected visitors once and a while. I have been here for nearly 2 years and I am online in world more then I am not.
I can count on one hand the amount of unexpected visitors i have received in 2 years.
when i do get visitors i actually enjoy it because first I am alone 90% of the time working or doing some such thing while at my home, and the company is nice

Then i am one of the mutants that does not mind an intrusion once and a while and actually encourage it.

no offence to the OP because i do agree that if you want privacy you should be entitled to it just has you would be in real life. BUT
because of the nature of second life and the lack of built in privacy controls that really is not practical so if you would like to be left alone in your wooden box then get a security script one that gives an ample amount of notice that they are intruding and will be tp'ed home if they do not leave.

really no use coming here to bitch and moan all that will get you is people telling you are wrong and they are right and you should not bitch and moan about such things yada yada yada yada...........

does this sound like im talking out of both sides of my mouth? well yea it does... because i can see both sides of the issue and realize that this is a very sticky issue in SL.

Cheers
Crucial

well, actually disturbing the peace is against the SL TOS, so if they are really intruding on someone you could always file an abuse report because it is against the TOS

Well, sometimes you violate someone's privacy without in the least intending to!

I was flying around, with my usual lag, putting up new fences. All of a sudden I was lagged, then flying farther than usual, and then the camera was jerking back and forth and I realized I was stuck IN the house next door. Somehow.

I wasn't taking the time to move my camera around to determine exactly where or how I was stuck in this house, as I could see the NAME TAGS below mine indicating that there were two people inside the house and I was anxious to get out!

Not being a noob, I immediatly clicked to sit on their deck, and thank goodness it worked. From which I immediately flew back, hoping they hadn't noticed.

A minute later I get an IM from the lady of the house - "Hello? lol"

Turned out they had been quite shocked to see me suddenly embedded in their ceiling! I guess with my legs sticking down or something. They had noticed, all right! How embarassing! That's gotta be one of the funniest things that's ever happened to me in SL.

coco

Actually, I wish *someone* would pay enough attention to my replies to see what I'm actually talking about.

1/4 sim is plenty of space to have complete privacy if I want it. With a house in the middle of the 1/4 sim, there's plenty of space to keep the peeping toms out of peeping range. I can turn on the ban lines on the ground, and I can set up a security network in the sky, and no one at all who wasn't on an access list would be able to land or come near my house without being teleported home.

I'd really rather not do that though.

I'm proud of what I have on the ground, and I'm happy to have people visit it. I don't even care if people look at my house in the sky.

*However*...what *does* bother me, is that some guy showed up, started poking around, and got pissy and acted as if *I* was the one who was out of line when I asked him *politely* to move along. Who complained that I was rude and unfriendly, and complained that I shouldn't say anything when I didn't have signs up or someone saying that the place was private.

*That* is what I'm objecting to. When the owner askes you to move along, it's time to go, *not* time to bitch.

I could have just not said anything, just clicked on him, frozen him, and tped him home, but I didn't. I was trying to be polite and civil.

It's *not* that I can't *get* any privacy, I could have that at the price of rendering 1/4 of a sim off limits to *everybody*. However, I don't want to do that. I don't want SL to become a mess of red lines where you can't fly anywhere without finding yourself tped home everytime you cross a property line.

The people who are saying, "You shouldn't have any expectation of privacy in SL unless you buy an island." are missing the point. 1/4 sim is plenty to ensure privacy, *if* I ban everybody. (And the people who say that, "The platform isn't set up for privacy," are missing the point to, because it sure is.) But it's SL as a whole that's going to suffer if people wind up having to resort to that because of a lack of civility from the clueless.

Jack I Agree with you 100 % i even said that "i DO agree that if you want privacy you should be entitled to it just as you would be in real life."

but the simple fact remains that this can not and will not happen IN SL There will always be nosy folk that think they can go where ever they choose and at present there is no other way to stop them other then using a security script for your home in the sky. Is this right NO. Is this sad to say. YES is this the reality of the current situation. YES

I apologise if it seemed like I was coming down on you im my reply, that wasn't my intent.

I'm simply frustrated that so many people seemed to be missing the point of my posts, that a lack of consideration and maners is likely to turn SL into a mass of ban lines and security scripts, which is a *bad* thing for SL over all.

indeed i would tend to agree

The whole idea of buying land, virtual or otherwise is called PRIVATE PROPERTY. Some people like it more private than others -- that's their right. If they have to put up ban lines and bounce scripts to boot your *ss home to get some privacy, THAT is their right.

... except in real life there are certain laws like trespass which allow you to pursue that right. SL has no such guarantees.

It's just like the view. You want to protect your view, buy it. You want a security border round your house, buy it.

Blame LL for their lack of tools, not people for following basic human nature.

Ban lines are ugly, security scripts are harrassment and frequently break the ToS. As many have said, in months of gameplay they might have received one or two unwanted guests at inconvenient times - if that. Why is that such a big deal?

Lewis

It's a game where people do many things, including those of an adult nature. I never intended that to mean it was a sex game, but obviously, pixel sex goes on here and not everyone is an exibitionist.

But as it's been said here over and over, there are many valid reasons to want to be left alone occasionally, not just sexual (as if that isn't valid, it is) and why some people refuse to accept or respect that is beyond me, I call it simply being rude or a deliberate jerk and that is that. I don't even own property, but it's no problem for me to respect the property of others, jeezus, what is the beef? "Human nature?" Please, we restrain ourselves from random impulses all the time, it's called civilization. And personally, I have no desire to invade the space of others when they ask me not to, or it is rude to do so, I guess that makes me abnormal?

No such thing as "Basic Human Nature", there's this thing called "Free Will". People behave like prats because they decide to, not because nature forced them.

And security scripts are *not* in fact harassment. I can set up a security network that will bounce your ass home anytime you cross my property line and it's not any sort of TOS violation at all.

As for "inconvinent" and "big deal", that's rather up to the property owner to decide, isn't it? And if they decide that it's a big deal to them, not to *you*, but to *them*, then they're going to turn on those ugly ban lines, and those non-TOS violating security networks.

You and the people like you seem to have your heads buried in the sand. You can argue that SL is just a game, and people have no right to expect privacy until you're blue in the face, but the fact is that people *do* expect privacy, particularly when they're paying through the nose for tier, and if they don't get it, then the ugly ban lines, and security scripts show up.

So, what'll it be? Respect people's privacy, or see the ban lines and tp's home all around?

Yes, indeed. Why do so many people fail to see this?

Why are there people who are missing Jack's point altogether? Are you just ignoring it so you can turn it into a soapbox to rant about your own peeves?

He said he asked him to leave (he said this at least three times in his OP), and he got an argument. His other example was people with guns barging through the door.

Both of these are clearly unacceptable behavior, against the CS, and he has every right to question what sort of dolts argue and bitch when asked politely to leave, or who barge in with guns blazing.

But hey, don't let me interrupt the ad hoc parade.

thanks for your view - wanders off to press many mute and ban buttons

I'm really not into this issue, since really... I have no good answers. I can point out this though:

FACT:
SL is a 3d computer interface based on the same technology that makes games such as World of Warcraft, Halflife 2, Quake, and any number of other games.

FACT:
The main point of those games is to explore a 3D world and deal with it's inhabitants.

FACT:
Most of these games lack consiqueces for doing antisocial things such as breaking and entering, vandalism, and even murder. (zelda, anyone?)

FACT:
SL does not offer high-quality security tools for land owners, and several scripted tools that have been created have been misused to the point of being abusive. This leaves land owners with minimal ability to propery deter vistors without banishing them agressivly. Well, that and harsh language...

FACT:
People wander SL to look about. I have wandered into skyboxes before (mostly after harrowing elevator malfunctions), and find that what security I have ran into is so aggressive as to be crashing my SL client. That may deter my coming back, but it also places them on a list of people I am far less likly to be agreeable with.

FACT:
Unless the tools of SL change, you have no privacy, and no amount of complaining will fix it. I'm not saying you can't complain, just that it's not going to do more than make you feel better by venting.

Anyway, none of this helps you, but I hope it offered useful info.

Later!