Clueless Gits

Okay, what part of having my house inside of a featurless wooden 30x30 meter cube at 356m above the ground says, "Come and fly your little flying car up to my blank wall and look in and and bitch about me not being very friendly when I ask you to leave?"

Seriously. I used to have a house at lower altitude, sitting on a platform with a little lawn with trees so that my friends and I could sit outside on occasion. However, I also had idiots land on the lawn and barge in through the front door (Usually with guns.) at least four different times when I had this.

So when I rebuilt, I made the house an externally featurless wooden cube at a much higher altitude, accessible only by teleport.

Now, I'm not one of these people who has red ban lines up everywhere. (I have 1/4 of a sim, and the ground is set up as a park and open to peole who want to wander through. The only thing I ask is that people leave me alone in the house, and that they go away when asked when I'm on the ground.

So where do these clueless gits come from claiming that I'm rude to ask them to leave because I don't have a sign up that says that my featurless skybox is a private home, (The argument I just got.) and who claim that they have never heard that skyboxes are considered private? (Particularly when their profiles show that they've been on SL for over a year.)

The fact is, that it's people like this who cause people to turn on their red ban lines, and set up security scripts that bounce everyone. When I politely tell someone who's hovering around my house that it's time to go, I should not get an argument. How old are these people anyway? What the hell is wrong with them? I pay for my land, and I have a right to do what I want with it and over it, and I have a right not to interact or even allow to hang around, anyone who I don't want to.

I just don't get some people, and I'm afraid it'll only get worse now that new accounts aren't being screened at all.

Seriously......why not? When I fly round, if I see something that doesn't appear like it belongs where it should, I'll often have a look, and see who the owner is in case it's something that they lost. People have helped me locate lost stuff by doing that, so why shouldn't I attempt to help others?

If you'd just realise that SL is an online game, which means that there are other people there, and stop whining about a non-existant right to 'privacy', and take the sort of stuff you want to do privately elsewhere, SL would be a much better experience. The only rights you have are those that LL permit you to have - and to not be disturbed is thankfully not one of them.

The whole reason SL is online is to interact with other people. Why people want to come here and isolate themselves is beyond me.

Lewis

My rl fiance had someone barge in claiming 'the neighbours reported a raw sewage leak.' She is at 700 meters.

Here's something to go with all that whine:



Hope it's enough!

There are times when one needs to be undisturbed, unmolested and alone, even if it's only to work on a script or be with a friend.

Skypads high in the sky are generally recognised as being private places, it's plain rude and bad manners to pile into a skypad uninvited.

Hard as may be to understand, some people come here for reasons other than to JUST interact with people.

Making your house look like a featureless wooden cube is likely to draw more attention. If I was flying along and saw a big cube in the sky, I would be tempted to go over and see what it was. Whereas if I saw a house floating there, I wouldn't give it a second glance.

BTW, I don't think of skyboxes as any more or less private than houses on the ground. If I see an interesting house, on the ground or in the air, and no one is home I will land and take a look. But it's just common courtesy not to stop when there are people there. Ultimately though, there is no such thing as privacy in SL.

SL has leaned heavily toward respecting the rights of the private property owners over those of the visitors. So nobody has the right to be on someone else's private property in SL and if they don't want you there they don't owe you any explanation at all.
What I think is funny is that any time someone expresses a desire for privacy some people automatically assume they're doing something immoral and that they actually care what strangers think of someone's opinion that their behavior is immoral. Believe me there are several reasons to desire to have a private conversation that any sane person wouldn't consider to be immoral.

I disagree.

Yes.

You can build up to 700 meters, if that helps.

I'm a private person and I sympathize. I don't assume that a house or a skybox on someone's personal property is an invitation to zoom my camera in and spy on them, let alone invite myself in. I just assume a featureless box isn't sending out an invite, someone is probably looking for some privacy, is what I think. Simple manners, game or no game. Espcially an "adult" game. I really don't want to know what you are doing, lol. Or see your naked avatar, heh. If I see a home that looks really interesting and no one is home, though, I will check out their interior decor, through the camera. But not if there are green dots inside.

Please explain. I'd love to hear why you disagree.

True... but how often does that happen? I can spend DAYS in SL and not see another person unless I happen to go looking, or contact one of my online friends, so I honestly can't see you being disturbed every 5 minutes by another unwanted visitor.

Lewis

Quick correction..... just because SL is supposedly for 18+, and you have the ability to have mature content in certain areas, does NOT make it an 'adult' as in 'pornographic' game. Sociolotron is one of those 'adult' games, where 'mature' is its sole purpose.

Lewis

You have the ability to turn on 'Damage Allowed' and Blast the hell out of people on your property.

Those who do not exercise their right to bear arms do not deserve to keep it.

Some folks are clueless... others, just oblivious.

Whether you chalk it up to inexperience, a simple lack of empathy, Asperger's Syndrome, or downright sociopathic tendencies, the end effect is the same... folks intruding where they are not welcome, occasionally with a self-righteous zeal. Attempting discourse on this topic with the latter can sometimes be compared to hopping into the mud to wrestle with a pig - you just get dirty, and the pig likes it .

Instead: you have 1/4 sim (I've 1/ which provides more than enough clearance so that a security system will not interfere with your neighbor's property. I recommend a nice Home Security system from Psyke's Defense Systems* (secondlife://shipley/39/241/48). Set it to either eject or teleport home (_not_ push), with a 96m radius and a 30-second warning. This provides adequate time for innocent flyers to pass out of range unhindered, a simple notification for the inexperienced, and as for the others... *shrugs*.

Good luck!

*(Disclamer: I'm not associated with this product or its maker in any way... I've used more than one type of security system, and IME the Psyke, when properly configured, provides the most warning/least disruption to innocent travelers-through. YMMV.)

Complaining about the lack of privacy in SL is like complaining because someone is reading your blog.

I wouldn't say that I do anything super important, yet I have people that message me to hang out or map me all the time. I was working on a machinima idea with someone and we were about 150 meters in the air maybe? He was just about to start the scene when someone totally random popped up and walked all over my view. It ruined the scene.

Seems there is only one solution. Use the mini map to find green dots and haul butt the opposite direction.

That is your perspective, one that isn't shared by everyone just because you think that way. If I put up a blog, I clearly want someone to read it, that is what it is there for. If I build a house, especially one that is high in the sky and has the appearance of an ugly box, I think it's equally obvious that I'm not looking for attention or visitors.

People have different ideas about how much privacy they would at least occasionally like in SL. Which is why it would be... nice if there was some other way to get some without building a security fence around everything.

There are some devices that warn you of how close people are to you. I realize the idea is to not be bothered, but it at least lets you monitor if you are going to be disturbed.

Check into the ProxEye or MultiGadget (If you can find a store with it in stock)

It's not just that I think that way, it's how SL works. The mainland is one contiguous shared space that people from day one have been encouraged to explore.

Why would anyone think that an ugly build or plywood cube conveys any message other than "Hi, I'm an incompetent builder?"

I guess I never viewed "exploring" to be interpreted as "walk into someone's virtual house univited". There is plenty of public space to explore. I think the idea of a person's virtual "home" having at least some respect as semi-private when occupied isn't such a stretch, since it is concept we all understand from real life. Stores are for shopping, public spaces are for exploring, and people "live" in their homes and we don't just walk into them without an invitation.

Obviously, it is very different in the virtual world, but so much of SL in concept: stores, public places, personal "homes" and bought and paid for (in real dollars) real estate is the same, it isn't as if the SL universe is so totally foreign that no one could imagine similar unspoken "rules" may apply. Hell, just coming into contact with all the security scripts around people's property is a big clue that not everyone here wants you on their land or in their home.

And no, I don't think a nondescript cube in the sky is just an ugly build. I think it's a skybox, which is often used for some privacy. I haven't been in SL long, but I get that much, heh.

Your experience is nowhere near universal. If I'm anywhere on the mainland or a public island, I get found. Period.

*edited to quote the correct post*

I rarely saw this but, two words:
Security Orb

And you're done!