Clueless Gits

I already have a security orb by Psyke, but thanks.

The reason I brought this up is because I know that I could have all the privacy that I want by turning it on and setting it to tp home anyone who comes to close who isn't on a list of friends. However, I hate running into things like that myself, and I hate running into ban lines.

However, when I get complaints from someone when I politely ask them to move along (After a couple of minutes of ignoring them.) and stop hovering their little car around my house and peeking in, and complaining that if I don't want them bugging me, that I should have up a sign or something that says that this is a private home, and that I want to be left alone, (Or maybe a note-card spammer, I don't know.) then I start wondering if maybe turning on the orb to just send people home *isn't* a good idea after all.

You're right that some people are just clueless, but I wish that more people would realize that things like this are what cause people to turn on ban lines, and use automatic security scripts.

First of all, you're not "just offering reasons" about why it's unreasonable to expect privacy in SL. If you were you wouldn't have made the comment about begging the question of why one would want privacy in SL. That smacks of being judgmental about what people are actually discussing in private.

Those platforms are not better for offering comfort to friends in times of hardship. The hug and cuddle animations that SL has add a whole other dimension to the interactions I have with my friends here. And no way in hell am i going to give any of my instant messaging screen names to a woman who hates me. So, for my purposes, those aren't better choices.

What exactly determines 'publicly accessible venue' here? In order for someone to actually visit that place, they have to a) get access to a computer b) with internet access c) install SL client and create account d) finally go to virtual place in question. One could argue this can take more effort than it takes to go visit your next door neighbour in RL, and yet we hardly ever question the right to privacy people have in their brick and mortar houses. Or do you act the same way in RL, and when you're asked to leave someone's living room you claim this is publicly accessible place and they're being unreasonable about their need to be alone?

This isn't a very different situation -- someone wants to be left alone in the piece of virtual space they actually own. Why there's a need to question it, and what do you win by being disrespectful towards them?

Regarding comparison to blogs? this is actually more akin to snooping in folder's of someone's web server that are clearly marked "for private use, please don't open". Yes, someone put their things in publicly accessible place. Doesn't make the snooping person any less of busybody asshole for ignoring request these items are to be left unviewed.

That wasn't sewage. She has a venereal disease. Just thought you should know.

And anyway, I'm wondering how the heck they even noticed this cherrywood cube at 700m. I was flying up above the new M2 building that is under construction last night, and "discovered" a whole floor and other huge building parts floating at around 700m that I had never realized were there -- completely unnoticeable from the ground.

I suppose that I'd suggest forgoing the cherry wood for a nice sky blue to make it even less noticeable.

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I understand you're confused. I don't think I can make myself any clearer. I know there are reasons someone would want privacy. That's a separate issue from the one I'm addressing. I am presenting reasons why those who seek privacy in SL will probably be disappointed.

Well, I could work *with* the platform, and use the tools that the "platform" has given me, and set my land to ban everyone who's not on my friends list, and leave another 1/4 of a sim off limits to the rest of the population of SL. And I could take the security orb that I have that now, and the tools granted by the platform to automaticly tp home without warning anyone who flys too close to my house.

Tell me, would you prefer *that*?

The reason I said something, is because personally, I'd rather share with the people in SL *most* of the time.

I'm not running a business, I'm paying for my space out of pocket. I've landscaped the ground level of my land and turned it into parkland, and except when I'm using it with my friends, I'm perfectly happy to have others use it. Indeed, when I'm not home, I don't even mind people peaking into my house.

But when I am there, and I ask someone politely to leave, I don't expect arguments and pissy grumbling, and complaints that I'm being rude. It *is* in fact a general understanding that skyboxes are private space, and so I don't expect to get whining on that front either.

And you can say, "Suck up and deal, you shouldn't expect privacy in SL anyway!" all you want, but it's not going to get people to go along with you, what it *is* going to get, is more people turning on their ban lines, and more occasions when you suddenly find yourself teleported home when you come too close to some random build.

Rather than complaining about what a bunch of whiners we are, you'd do better to help spread the idea to the clueless that respecting people's privacy is a good thing if you want to keep SL even as open as it is.

Uh, that sounds like backtracking after questioning why anyone even "would try" to have privacy in SL to begin with. That is a judgement of even the attempt to do so, and also gives a pass to those who willfully disregard a polite request to simply be left alone on their own property, which is what the person who started this thread described. With security scripts, and a lot of land, you don't have to try, you can. And people do, if they have the money. If others would just be a bit more civilized and courteous, it wouldn't be necessary, but obviously that is asking too much.

I already addressed the differences between real world houses and SL houses in an earlier post. I won't rehash it here except to say they're radically different. Read the thread for more info.

Usually, when I'm being annoying in RL they just click on me and teleport me home.

Real life homeowners can't do that, you say? Interesting. Real life must be different than SL.

Disrespectful? Check out the title of this thread. My posts have been pretty calm. You need to develop a tougher skin for when people disagree with you.

If it's on the mainland, it's published. If it's in your inventory, it's marked "for private use, please don't open."

It is called respect people!

The idea of 'it is the internet' I should be allowed to be a rude little punk and disrepect people because I can, is wrong and disturbing.

I was attacted yesterday because I wanted to be treated with a little resect this guy kept 'bumping' me stopping in front of me, when I was looking at something, and called me a slut.

Did I report it? No, because clearly the Lindens don't care because they opened registion up to everyone, meaning a 14 year old can join the adult grid.

Sheesh I'd hate to know how you people behave in real life.

Its a place to have wild poseball sex free from the prying eyes of others.

To whom is this addressed?

Pol this thread has reduced you to talking about warm, cherry boxes. I think you know what you have to do.

If people need or want privacy in SL, your best bet is an island where you can have full control. Otherwise, you have to put up with people who enjoy exploring, using their vehicles etc on the mainland. I seriously doubt a new player would have any clue that a sky box is a place where people go to have some privacy. When you think about it, it doean't make any sense. We can fly in Second Life, plopping a box 800m up isn't going to guarantee you anything.

Actually, it would be very helpful if you explained to me exactly what I have to do next. In great detail. Talk slow.

I was ready to cut the person I was talking about some slaci when I saw that theier rez date was in June...until I noticed that it was June of *last* year.

As to sky boxes, you need an attachment to fly that high in the first place, so it requires some work.

And again, I can have plenty of privacy...if I'm willing to ban everyone from my land, and tp home anyone who comes near my house. I'd just rather people were polite enough that I didn't need to do that.

People who think it is okay, to just walk into someone else's house or disturb them on there land. People have to pay an insane fee to be able to have that land, not to have people bug them or have entitlement complexes.

Part of second life is exploring, I do that but if I see someone that wants to be left alone I do it. I was on some island, that is open to visitors because it has a store and invites people to look. I meet the owner told them how much I love the island, she said welcome and went back to building. She clearly wanted to work in private so I went to another part of the island.

Respect it isn't that hard, if someone pays for something they have every reason to expect other people to respect that, no to just invite themselves places.

It is possible to play in SL and respect other people. I make sure before I enter someplace that it was meant for me to do so.

But then again I wasn't raised by wolves.

How difficult is the security to turn on? Can you simply turn it on when you know you are going to need to be undisturbed then turn it back off as usual? Can someone script one that leaves a polite note: I am not available right now. I expect to be finished with my project this afternoon. Please check back with me.

I don't know. There just have to be more creative solutions that solve things.

I did read the earlier posts, and am afraid you did not bring up any significant differences, really.

"it's easier to visit me in SL than to visit me in RL in Boston" -- this depends on initial conditions. Someone with computer, internet access and SL account can get easily to your SL location. Someone who is living next door to you with no computer has it easier to visit you in RL. By this logic, this grants the person living next door in RL to barge in your house whenever they feel like it, and stay for as long as they want.

"it's not the place to keep your stuff" -- you can most certainly store your things in your SL house.

"It doesn't protect you from prying eyes" -- neither does the RL house if you face a determined voyeur. But it doesn't make people question the basic premise that you should be granted privacy in your own place, if you so request.


In RL it's called phone and police intervention. Except you might wind up teleported to slightly different place. But strangely enough, most people have enough sense to actually leave property of another when asked to.


I don't think we can get anywhere with the "he started! no, he started!" preschool sidetracking here. The basic issue still stands -- you are facing someone who owns the bit of space you happen to be in, and they request you to leave it because they'd like to be there alone. Why not respect this wish? And how can you consider this not disrespectful?


No, if it's in the inventory then it's in folder with access rights configured in a way that actively prohibits anyone but owner from opening it. A quite different animal from technically accessible folder with polite request to respect it as private item.

It's really simple. The owner of place you're visiting _is_ provided with means to eject you by force if they have to. So when they say "I'd like you to leave this place of mine", why would you insist on staying until they have no option but exercise the granted right to boot you? Again, what does it gain you, except for making the whole situation more unpleasant for both of you?

I've done some serious thinking on this issue....



So there!

Actually, it seems to me that you are just being contrary for the sake of being contrary!

I have always wanted a free place to stay in Boston, what's your address? I should be able to show up some time. Thanks for the invite

*puts on her hip-waders*

I like the idea of privacy. But, not because I'm wanting to do "ZOMG, NA_HOTTIE THINGZ!11!," but because when I'm working on something, I don't want to carry on a conversation, while mucking with the build tools that have to be relearned with every freaking update. And really, if you want to know what I'm saying, just stand back and listen.. I'm pretty surprised the Lindens haven't heard me, I yell loud enough. Or maybe they get some sort of sadistic pleasure out of hearing me, but that's another topic.

Working on a tiny prim and having someone flop down right on the top of it = murder. Seriously, the door is locked for a reason, PLEASE respect the door! It's there for your protection!

Not at all. I just think that someone looking for privacy in SL is like a vegan trying to find something to order from a steakhouse menu. Yeah, it can be done, kinda, but the results are probably not going to be as satisfactory as it would be if that same person went someplace a bit more vegan-friendly. I can understand why someone would want to be vegan, but that doesn't change the fact that a steakhouse is the wrong place to go for a good vegan meal.

Look it up in "Find." Make sure you have "Include places in Mature regions" checked.

Yes I did. Refute them if you can.

Do you think their might be more people in the world with a computer, internet access, and Second Life on their computer than there are people living next door to me? Do you think it might be easier to enter someone's house in SL than in the real world?

Where do you store your avatar's clothing? Where do you store your real life clothing?

Key word in the above quote..."determined."

The difference is the potential consequences. A real life intruder may actually be dangerous. If caught, the intruder faces real punishment. In SL...not so much.

The "he started it" argument works pretty well when there is a clear thread starter. Don't start none, won't be none.

In other words, unpublished.

I don't think this is something anyone who valued the privacy of their data (and had a modicum of common sense) would do. Bad analogy.

Who knows? But the fact remains they can do it without fear of significant negative consequences.

600 000 people living within 10 miles of your place
6 000 people logged into SL at any given time

considering the odds? If people weren't already house-trained into respecting privacy of their neighbours, would say it's more likely for you to find your living room full of strangers than it is to find someone in your SL place. Because the former is at least as "public" as the latter, access-wise.


Someone throwing their camera around in SL to take peeks into someone else's house is as determined as a person peeking through RL window inside your home. So i fail to see what changes with that keyword.


You don't _have_ to be dangerous in real life for me in order to ask you to leave. I don't like your presence for whatever reason, i ask you to go, end of story. But it appears in SL i have to justify myself to you for some reason and you don't feel obliged to listen anyway, as if your desire to stay in place you don't own was somehow more important than one of actual owner.

Why is it?


Really? Fine then: don't enter into other people's houses uninvited and refuse/raise stink when asked to leave, there's no need to start threads about it.


Why, because it relies on the same paradigm of _asking_ people to treat your property with respect, instead of leaving them no physical choice in this regard? This only brings us to square one -- why can't you respect someone else's request concerning their own items?


So, you don't actually know what you're arguing _for_, and try to rationalize behaviour you don't even understand? Well, that's it then i guess.