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Allana Dion
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08-11-2006 19:56
Where's Philip during this PR crisis? Too busy distilling achievables, maybe? To those who are eager to put Torley on the chopping block, I would pose a question. No one here has ever had to write a corporate memo after being told what to say and signed their name to it? _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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08-11-2006 20:09
Yup. and i don't turn all sour grapes and personal when someone points out that maybe am not *as* witty and amusing as my drinks-induced buzz in head is telling me... I don't drink, sweetie. Or do drugs. Obviously you didn't notice the OP used artwork from the same commercial. You seem to have some issue with me. Since I have no clue who you are at all --I am intrigued. Why would I have a personal problem with you? Other than you being a party pooper I mean. _____________________
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
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08-11-2006 20:20
Then why single her out? Because they believe that she's the only Linden who isn't happy to be rid of the forums? _____________________
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,492
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08-11-2006 20:21
Any visible Linden management is gonna get hammered at this point. If I were in Torley's position, I'd resent having to take the heat while senior management hides. Where's Philip during this PR crisis? Too busy distilling achievables, maybe? Do you really want to hear him spout Lindenspeak? _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
Disenchanted Fool
Join date: 11 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,461
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08-11-2006 20:47
Corporate lackey? Laugh, hardly. SL won't be around for much longer at this rate.
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Joannah Cramer
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Join date: 12 Apr 2006
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08-11-2006 20:58
I don't drink, sweetie. Or do drugs. That's nice. if i actually brought *your* habits up (last i checked "me" didn't mean "you" and vice versa) it'd even be relevant. Obviously you didn't notice the OP used artwork from the same commercial. Indeed i didn't squint to read the exact text in the OP image. So when i saw use of this imagery in your post, i found it silly for the reasons given. That it wasn't even your idea in the first place, but you were simply parrotting the OP? It doesn't make the 'original' use of it (nor your follow-up) any more apt, like i said. You seem to have some issue with me. No. if anything i may have issue with people who make personal attacks on others that go well beyond 'rage against the machine' and into wide field of the "us vs them" forum mob mentality. That can include these who gleefully jump in to "turn up the heat" with seemingly zero concern for these on the receiving end of it, as long as it can score them some points in the forum game. So it's rather issue with this sort of attitude, not specifically with you. Since I have no clue who you are at all --I am intrigued. Why would I have a personal problem with you? Other than you being a party pooper I mean. I don't think you have personal issue with me. Given it'd have develop over single comment in a single forum thread it'd be after all quite petty and childish. So i presumed your going ad personam and into pondering about my party skills was more about lack of any good counter argument, than anything else... |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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08-11-2006 21:00
That's nice. if i actually brought *your* habits up (last i checked "me" didn't mean "you" and vice versa) it'd even be relevant. Indeed i didn't squint to read the exact text in the OP image. So when i saw use of this imagery in your post, i found it silly for the reasons given. That it wasn't even your idea in the first place, but you were simply parrotting the OP? It doesn't make the 'original' use of it (nor your follow-up) any more apt, like i said. No. if anything i may have issue with people who make personal attacks on others that go well beyond 'rage against the machine' and into wide field of the "us vs them" forum mob mentality. That can include these who gleefully jump in to "turn up the heat" with seemingly zero concern for these on the receiving end of it, as long as it can score them some points in the forum game. So it's rather issue with this sort of attitude, not specifically with you. I don't think you have personal issue with me. Given it'd have develop over single comment in a single forum thread it'd be after all quite petty and childish. So i presumed your going ad personam and into pondering about my party skills was more about lack of any good counter argument, than anything else... :::::yawn:::: No my comment had to do with your post, darlin'. It's like you appeared in the thread just to take a large dump in the middle of a cocktail party. _____________________
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Jack Harker
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Join date: 4 May 2005
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08-11-2006 22:01
Well, to be accurate it's not exactly a PR crisis considering the small percentage of SL residents who actually peruse the forums regularly. To those who are eager to put Torley on the chopping block, I would pose a question. No one here has ever had to write a corporate memo after being told what to say and signed their name to it? Not me. But I do know what you're talking about. That said, the "distilled achievables" post and the one that goes with it do not deserve to get a free pass, just because there's a suspicion that the poster may have had managment breathing over their shoulder when they made it. You take the responsability with the check. |
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Chronic Skronski
SL Live Musician
Join date: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 997
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08-11-2006 22:44
"Pretending to be autistic"? This is the first time I've thought something you said to be genuinely meanspirited, Ulrika. Agreed. Until this post, I looked forward to Ulrika's words. Now? Not. This forum is just full of assholes today. _____________________
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
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Richie Waves
Predictable
Join date: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 1,424
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08-11-2006 23:00
Torleys paid to do a job, and she does well.. every person working in a Corpo or is paid by another to do a job is a lackie so STFU...
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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08-11-2006 23:16
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I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Lethe Naumova
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Join date: 30 Oct 2005
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08-11-2006 23:28
Never before have I wanted to light people on fire more than I do right now. gg, next map.
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Chronic Skronski
SL Live Musician
Join date: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 997
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08-11-2006 23:31
Never before have I wanted to light people on fire more than I do right now. gg, next map. I hear ya, Lethe. I had mixed feelings before, but after yesterday and today's behaviour I am absolutely delighted to see General and Sandbox go. This cruelty that they are calling "fun" is leaving a stench that is not going to vanish for a long time. _____________________
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
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Finning Widget
No Ravens in my Mailbox
Join date: 27 Feb 2006
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As the official Nemesis of Ulrika -
08-11-2006 23:46
Bad Ulrika.
Asperger's individuals come across well in written mode such that it's often difficult (unless they have dyslexia) to identify them as Asperger's from their writing alone. Asperger's individuals also absorb the language used in their societies and workplaces. Torley's not pretending to be autistic and never was pretending. Torley's not a sacred cow, nor is she a taboo. She's a genuinely nice person who works hard for both us and for Linden Labs. You used an /ad hominem/ instead of addressing what she said. Which - don't get me wrong here - "distilling achievables" is one of those things that needs translation from private slanguage to public language. We don't always stop to do it. It sounds totally weird. She's not a competitor. She's a cooperator. |
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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08-11-2006 23:46
I hear ya, Lethe. I had mixed feelings before, but after yesterday and today's behaviour I am absolutely delighted to see General and Sandbox go. This cruelty that they are calling "fun" is leaving a stench that is not going to vanish for a long time. this in not fun are you too stupid to realize this is a funeral? we are mourning the passing of someone we warned them not to go towards the light, it was a trick but they went anyway now all that is left is an empty carcass... a brief memory of what was a rind if you will don't be angry with me this is pain for us all as we are disposable so is the rind you just won't know when because the forums will be closed _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Jesse Malthus
OMG HAX!
Join date: 21 Apr 2006
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08-11-2006 23:54
I hear ya, Lethe. I had mixed feelings before, but after yesterday and today's behaviour I am absolutely delighted to see General and Sandbox go. This cruelty that they are calling "fun" is leaving a stench that is not going to vanish for a long time. Seriously. Now, I don't find Torley to be completly taboo to dis on, but y'all just hatin'. Torley works really hard for _*YOU*_, and your experience. Sure, the Lindenspeak is sickening. But, I also don't think that Torley was the only author of that post. S/he's doing her job, and doing a fine one at that! _____________________
Ruby loves me like Japanese Jesus.
Did Jesus ever go back and clean up those footprints he left? Beach Authority had to spend precious manpower. Japanese Jesus, where are you? Pragmatic! |
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Chronic Skronski
SL Live Musician
Join date: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 997
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08-11-2006 23:58
this in not fun are you too stupid to realize this is a funeral? Then argue with this guy: What you see is a comunity having fun, before it's taken away from them. Did you really expect "business as usual"? Lighten up and try to have some fun with the rest of us. Don't worry. The loudmouths here will continue to be loudmouths elsewhere, and will have 10 times the amount of forums to troll. _____________________
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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08-11-2006 23:59
But, I also don't think that Torley was the only author of that post. kinda like a stuffed puppet not the real deal not genuine not sincere not lovable not torley _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
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08-12-2006 00:02
kinda like a stuffed puppet not the real deal not genuine not sincere not lovable not torley A very good analogy. _____________________
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
Posts: 2,607
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08-12-2006 00:05
Then argue with this guy: the band played on, my friend, the band played on Dance band on the Titanic Sing Nearer, my God, to Thee The iceberg's on the starboard bow Won't you dance with me Mama stood cryin' at the dockside Sayin' Please son, don't take this trip I said Mama, sweet Mama, don't you worry none Even God couldn't sink this ship Well, the whistle blew and they turned the screws It turned the water into foam Destination sweet salvation Goodbye home sweet home I'm in the dance band on the Titanic Sing Nearer, my God, to Thee The iceberg's on the starboard bow Won't you dance with me There was a trombone and a saxophone The bass and drums were cookin' up the bandstand And I was strummin' in the middle with this dude on the fiddle And we were three days out from land And now the foghorn's jammed and moanin' Hear it groanin' through the misty night I heard the lookout shout down There's icebergs around But still everything's all right Oh, the dance band on the Titanic Sing Nearer, my God, to Thee The iceberg's on the starboard bow Won't you dance with me They were burnin' all the flares for candles In the banquet they were throwin' in first class And we were blowin' waltzes in the barroom When the universe went CRASH! There's no way that this could happen I could hear the old captain curse He ordered lifeboats away, that's when I heard the chaplain say Women and children and chaplains first Well, they soon used up all of the lifeboats But there were a lot of us left on board I heard the drummer sayin' Boys, just keep playin' Now we're doin' this gig for the Lord I heard the dance band on the Titanic Sing Nearer, my God, to Thee The iceberg's on the starboard bow Won't you dance with me There's a wild-eyed boy in the radio shack He's the last remaining guest He was tappin' in a Morse code frenzy Tappin' Please God, S.O.S. Jesus Christ can walk on the water But a music man will drown They say that Nero fiddled while Rome burned up Well, I was strummin' as the ship go down I'm in the dance band on the Titanic Sing Nearer, my God, to Thee The iceberg's on the starboard bow Won't you dance with me _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Joannah Cramer
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08-12-2006 00:16
It's like you appeared in the thread just to take a large dump in the middle of a cocktail party. Funny you'd use this particular analogy. Since if anything, it seems your idea of "cocktail party" is to shit all over someone who actually puts effort in their work for the collective "you". And if pointing it out spoiled your fun to the point you feign boredom so ou can bow out? Well frankly, good. |
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
Join date: 3 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,898
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08-12-2006 00:45
Torley has always had the tendency to overdo things. It should be no surprise that brevity is not the strongest point in this case either. Torley also has the tendency to seek out all the vocabulary on a particular topic and apply it to the situation at hand. Since the situation is a corporate one, it is also no surprise that this is the vocabulary that is used. Even his visual art expresses a similar technique of grabbing at everything in a kinetic fit of passion, but not necessarily with the insight of knowing how a viewer might connect to it. If it was one of the strange, faceless Lindens writing this, I'd take it the wrong way too. But it's not. It's one of the most prominent celebrities in SL whose particularly unique approach most of us have encountered a thousand times; I don't see how these posts are unexpected or shocking. It falls within the same m.o. that Torley has always had. I know this thread only exists for entertainment and for the catharsis of tearing down icons and taboos, but in case Torley the human being (as opposed to the symbol of Linden PR that people are tearing down) reads this thread and takes it personally, know that many of us know that you are just trying to do a good job in your own way. Don't take it too personally. _____________________
"The mob requires regular doses of scandal, paranoia and dilemma to alleviate the boredom of a meaningless existence."
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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08-12-2006 00:57
Personally, it makes me think he's trying to please his corporate superiors by using slang he thinks they want to hear. In doing so, he comes off as both a sycophant and someone who's not talking straight with their audience.
Given the grief and anger we're experiencing over the closure of the forums, this is the last thing one wants to do. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Finning Widget
No Ravens in my Mailbox
Join date: 27 Feb 2006
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08-12-2006 01:02
Personally, it makes me think he's trying to please his corporate superiors by using slang he thinks they want to hear. In doing so, he comes off as both a sycophant and someone who's not talking straight with their audience. Given the grief and anger we're experiencing over the closure of the forums, this is the last thing one wants to do. ~Ulrika~ Good. You ought to also apologise for using the /ad hominem/. On Torley. |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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08-12-2006 01:20
Good. You ought to also apologise for using the /ad hominem/. On Torley. If I wish to question the foundation of this character arc I will do so and will not apologize for it. If you don't like it, you can scratch me off your dance card. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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