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Tatiana Sims
Just Tat ;)
Join date: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 429
08-16-2006 08:59
Just wondering if I really need a security system for my house, and if so, what is the best, most economical one to get?
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Tat
Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
08-16-2006 10:39
Depends on the amount of unwelcomed visitors (greifers) you get.
You could get Psyche Security Orb or a Locktite, those are the big brand names.
If course if you just need to eject some fool, get my Orbitter. :D
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Lewis Nerd
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Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
08-16-2006 10:41
Nobody needs a security system, it's right up there on annoyance factor with griefers to the average innocent player.

Having a security system - or even ban lines - gives people the impression that you have something to hide, and human nature will take over to find out what it is.

All you have to do is set autoreturn so people can't litter your parcel with their junk, 5 minutes is fine, and then if you're home and people bug you boot and ban; if you aren't home, why worry because they can't do anything.

Lewis
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Tatiana Sims
Just Tat ;)
Join date: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 429
08-16-2006 11:03
Well, so far, it sounds like I don't even need one. Hopefully that's how it'll stay! :) Thanks!
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Joshua Nightshade
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Join date: 12 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,337
08-16-2006 11:22
From: Lewis Nerd
Nobody needs a security system, it's right up there on annoyance factor with griefers to the average innocent player.

Having a security system - or even ban lines - gives people the impression that you have something to hide, and human nature will take over to find out what it is.

All you have to do is set autoreturn so people can't litter your parcel with their junk, 5 minutes is fine, and then if you're home and people bug you boot and ban; if you aren't home, why worry because they can't do anything.

Lewis


I TOTALLY agree. Flying over anything I have to go at a ridiculous height which makes running into any interesting stores on the ground impossible because of friggin obnoxious ban-lines that throw me around mid-step. Ban lines and obnoxious security systems are selfish in my opinion.
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Ghoti Nyak
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Join date: 7 Aug 2004
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08-16-2006 11:53
From: Lewis Nerd
Nobody needs a security system, it's right up there on annoyance factor with griefers to the average innocent player.

Having a security system - or even ban lines - gives people the impression that you have something to hide, and human nature will take over to find out what it is.

All you have to do is set autoreturn so people can't litter your parcel with their junk, 5 minutes is fine, and then if you're home and people bug you boot and ban; if you aren't home, why worry because they can't do anything.

Lewis


What Lewis said.

-Ghoti
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Jonas Pierterson
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Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
08-16-2006 12:04
Ignore what Lewis said. You pay monthly for the land, not him.

Joshua - Deal with it, People have a right to keep others off their land.
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ArchTx Edo
Mystic/Artist/Architect
Join date: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,993
08-16-2006 12:52
You may find your privacy invaded too often, as I have, and feel you need a security system, the red ban lines are pain in the ass for everone and you might want to leave most of your land open and secure only your house or skybox. In those instances a security system is the only option. Here are some free or inexpensive systems.

Secondlife Interactive Defense 9000 Security System FREE
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=108035

Black Box Security System L$1 Does not work on group owned land.
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=22735


If you can afford more, I have been very satisfied with the

HomeSecurity Orb (by Psyke's Defense Systems) L$499
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=82704
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Tatiana Sims
Just Tat ;)
Join date: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 429
08-16-2006 13:01
From: ArchTx Edo
You may find your privacy invaded too often, as I have, and feel you need a security system, the red ban lines are pain in the ass for everone and you might want to leave most of your land open and secure only your house or skybox. In those instances a security system is the only option. Here are some free or inexpensive systems.

Secondlife Interactive Defense 9000 Security System FREE
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=108035

Black Box Security System L$1 Does not work on group owned land.
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=22735


If you can afford more, I have been very satisfied with the

HomeSecurity Orb (by Psyke's Defense Systems) L$499
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=82704

Thanks!! Well...since I am sooooo popular I might need to look into one of these! :D LOL Really, no one knows I even exist, so my privacy hasn't been invaded yet! :)
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Ghoti Nyak
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Join date: 7 Aug 2004
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08-16-2006 13:05
There's paying for the land so its yours to do with as you please blahblahblah, and then there's the common curtesy of not fouling up the neighborhood with banlines or security orbs that send people flying kilometers away (for which I always file an abuse report).

If you feel you need security at your property -while you're online- then sure, get a security orb, set it to reasonable limits and ther you go. Just be sure to disable it before logging out so that some innocent person walking or flying by is not abused by it.

-Ghoti
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
08-16-2006 13:32
I own one of the HomeSecurity Orbs by Psyke's Defense Systems. I also own his HUD version, primarily for the movelocker shield that prevents you from being pushed if the owner of the land you are on hasn't already disabled push effects. (I bought that before blocking Push was a possibility at all.)

I count myself fortunate that so far, I haven't had to use either one with any regularity. I have configured and tested them, and that is about all.

When I do use them, it is only while I am on-line and desire privacy. I feel that using an orb to protect a small area around a skybox is preferable to turning on ban lines and making the entire vertical space of the parcel ugly and unusable.

You may well find that you never need any 'security'. But if your property does become the target of repeated attacks by griefers, stalkers or other 'unwelcome guests', one of Psyke's orbs, conscientiously used, is a fairly good alrernative.
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Joshua Nightshade
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Join date: 12 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,337
08-16-2006 13:35
From: Jonas Pierterson
Ignore what Lewis said. You pay monthly for the land, not him.

Joshua - Deal with it, People have a right to keep others off their land.


Your attitude is enthralling. I hope you're also of confidence to sit on front of your real life lawn with a sawed-off shotgun. Otherwise sit on a prim cylinder and spin, s'il tu plais.
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Eryn Curie
Lost in the fog
Join date: 24 May 2004
Posts: 205
08-16-2006 13:48
When I'm working in my skybox, I don't like drop-ins, so I use the Psyke's HomeSecurity Orb that was mentioned. It works like a charm.

And ignore Lewis. He always thinks that people are up to naughty stuff (Oh noes, not naughty stuff! It makes baby Jesus cry! Tsktsktsk! Gonna go to hell!) if they have a security system or ban lines up and has NO tolerance on the fact that people in SL have a complete right to privacy when they want it and for ANY reason...none of which are anyone's business!

Just use your security system wisely...and ignore the pinheads when they give you crap about it.
Hugsy Penguin
Sky Junkie
Join date: 20 Jun 2005
Posts: 851
08-16-2006 14:14
From: Jeska Linden
If you do feel you need additional security, please make sure that you warn people first (10 seconds would be nice) to give them time to leave, and then if they don't you can remove them. Be careful though, that your script doesn't cause them to crash (which often happens with the teleport home command) or throw them a long distance across the sim. It should also not create a no-fly zone, where someone just flying by gets tossed out. Any of these situations can be considered abuse and will be cause for discipline with repeated incidents.


Emphasis mine. Source
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Jonas Pierterson
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Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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08-16-2006 18:04
Like Hugsy said. :)


Just use a ten second warning, and eject attack type -teleport home can crash folks. Its added safety, eject can only hit them on your land (in case of script or range error, or if you forget to set it to only hit your land) and unsits them. Its also not ARable on its own or used like this. Make sure it only targets on your parcel as well.

Most land is crossable in 10 seconds at 10 m/s (unaided av flight) and most vehicles go faster. If someone chose a slower vehicle, its on them, not you.
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Kris Ritter
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Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
08-16-2006 18:11
personally what Jeska said as quoted by Hugsy strikes me as hypocritical. So its ok to create a no fly zone and bounce people around with the official ban tools, which give no notice when you're flying about - you dont even see the friggin things til you already hit it, got kicked half a sim away (and in my experience, often offworld) and THEN you get a dialogue. But you cant do the same with a script?

And people saying 'turn your orb off when you log out'... why? people leave their ban lines up all the time. Again, why not the scripted alternative?
Fox Harker
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Join date: 2 Jul 2005
Posts: 14
08-16-2006 18:12
From: Joshua Nightshade
Your attitude is enthralling. I hope you're also of confidence to sit on front of your real life lawn with a sawed-off shotgun. Otherwise sit on a prim cylinder and spin, s'il tu plais.


You want land that you have absolutely free access to, buy some.
Jonas Pierterson
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Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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08-16-2006 18:12
From: Kris Ritter
personally what Jeska said as quoted by Hugsy strikes me as hypocritical. So its ok to create a no fly zone and bounce people around with the official ban tools, which give no notice when you're flying about - you dont even see the friggin things til you already hit it, got kicked half a sim away (and in my experience, often offworld) and THEN you get a dialogue. But you cant do the same with a script?

And people saying 'turn your orb off when you log out'... why? people leave their ban lines up all the time. Again, why not the scripted alternative?


Lindens don't ask you to turn either off upon logging. People just think they have a right to use server space you pay for..

Edit: I think I know something more fun than ban lines...Access lines. General blanket ban and charge 10 lindens to cross - its not making a no fly zone because there is the option..
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Fox Harker
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Join date: 2 Jul 2005
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08-16-2006 18:18
From: Kris Ritter
personally what Jeska said as quoted by Hugsy strikes me as hypocritical. So its ok to create a no fly zone and bounce people around with the official ban tools, which give no notice when you're flying about - you dont even see the friggin things til you already hit it, got kicked half a sim away (and in my experience, often offworld) and THEN you get a dialogue. But you cant do the same with a script?

And people saying 'turn your orb off when you log out'... why? people leave their ban lines up all the time. Again, why not the scripted alternative?


Actually, I'd like to see two changes to the ban lines...

1) Ban lines are visible to the owners as well as to everyone else when the "ban everybody" setting has been turned on. This is only fair, and it reminds people that it's there, for the sort that will turn on ban lines without really even knowing what they're for.

2) There should be a setting that will allow you to see ban lines from a distance, possibly as a highly visible red column. The visible only close up setting is nice if you live near someone who's turned on ban lines, but a real problem if you're trying to fly. It'd be nice to see them in time to steer around.
Jack Harker
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Join date: 4 May 2005
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08-16-2006 18:22
From: Kris Ritter
personally what Jeska said as quoted by Hugsy strikes me as hypocritical. So its ok to create a no fly zone and bounce people around with the official ban tools, which give no notice when you're flying about - you dont even see the friggin things til you already hit it, got kicked half a sim away (and in my experience, often offworld) and THEN you get a dialogue. But you cant do the same with a script?

And people saying 'turn your orb off when you log out'... why? people leave their ban lines up all the time. Again, why not the scripted alternative?


Actually, I'd like to see two changes to the ban lines...

1) Ban lines are visible to the owners as well as to everyone else when the "ban everybody" setting has been turned on. This is only fair, and it reminds people that it's there, for the sort that will turn on ban lines without really even knowing what they're for.

2) There should be a setting that will allow you to see ban lines from a distance, possibly as a highly visible red column. The visible only close up setting is nice if you live near someone who's turned on ban lines, but a real problem if you're trying to fly. It'd be nice to see them in time to steer around.
Jack Harker
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08-16-2006 18:23
From: Joshua Nightshade
Your attitude is enthralling. I hope you're also of confidence to sit on front of your real life lawn with a sawed-off shotgun. Otherwise sit on a prim cylinder and spin, s'il tu plais.


Want to have land that you're free to cross at any time with no restrictions? Then buy some.
Aodhan McDunnough
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Join date: 29 Mar 2006
Posts: 1,518
08-16-2006 18:29
@Tatiana

Unless you have something to hide you don't need security when you're offline or not at home. They can't steal anything anyway.

You get sec systems for privacy while you're around. I don't like people getting in the way physically while I'm at work on something so my security system just does an unsit/ejectfromland to anyone who enters the house/workshop itself. Its coverage range is exactly the interior of the house and though there's no warning apart from the announcement on the main door it uses the Linden-prescribed ejectfromland. The Lindens discourage Push-related security.

The outsides and my store on an overhead platform are free to roam.
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Osgeld Barmy
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Join date: 22 Mar 2005
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08-16-2006 19:25
im personally with the eairlier post's and i dont use one

amusing sidenote, well actually the point of this post .. usually when i see banlines up i cant help but run up and start bouncing off the top, like my own parcel sized trampoline :)

just doing my part to prove you usually cause more trouble with it
Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
08-16-2006 21:20
I use security systems to extend my estate ban list since they never upgraded past 62 maximum entries. Having twice that much does help. It removes the idiots from the sims i manage and isn't iritating in any way aside lag. Security systems are not a bad idea unless you set them to eject EVERYONE. If you set them to target list of names then your fine.
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Kris Ritter
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08-17-2006 10:50
From: Jack Harker
Actually, I'd like to see two changes to the ban lines...

1) Ban lines are visible to the owners as well as to everyone else when the "ban everybody" setting has been turned on. This is only fair, and it reminds people that it's there, for the sort that will turn on ban lines without really even knowing what they're for.

2) There should be a setting that will allow you to see ban lines from a distance, possibly as a highly visible red column. The visible only close up setting is nice if you live near someone who's turned on ban lines, but a real problem if you're trying to fly. It'd be nice to see them in time to steer around.


I agree. You really can't see or avoid no entry land. I'd very much like to see something like this too. I dunno about them seeing their own ban lines - i guess it IS kinda fair, and might act as a discouragement, but I don't see anyone or LL going for it :)
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