Ways to make money?

Blackjack!

Oops. I'm pretty sure this person did not mean to support commercialism. -sly grin-

The 'thing' about this game/world/whatever is the base premise is very precisely 'you are all equal' and it leaves you completely to your own devices to find a way to rise above that baseline.

I rather like that about the place.

I agree with the poster who said a 'can do' attitude is required (Chip, right?).

If by "can do" you mean can they transfer money from Paypal -> GOM, then I agree.

Beyond that, however, I think if we're going to keep an economy going we need to fill in the blanks.

I see no blanks. You are either a content contributor or you are a consumer. If you are unwilling to be either, you don't last here. I have no issue with that. It is a simple and strong economic system which requires little in the way of management to succeed on a regular basis.

If you will not be a content contributor, then you consume with what you have and if you haven't enough to do so, that is supposed to be incentive to be a content contributor. That's the design and it works just fine for all but the 'entitlement crowd'.

This is a retailed product in which you pay for access. Beyond that, very literally, you create your own success. If you cannot or will not do so, there is no one to blame but yourself.

And yes, if you cannot con someone into supporting you, you're only choice is to support yourself. Life's tough -- wear a helmet.

gnoming factory

meito 175 15

right click on the red bit on the table, click gnome. earn points. most points at end of week wins money. camera gives away money randomly (most of the time!lol) all the time.

most of all have fun while you gnome!!

(not addicted i swear!)

I'm amazed noone mentioned the 'Chip Midnight Mystical Adoration Prayer Rug' - made by some brilliant asshat whose name currently eludes me....

A better deal cannot be found -- jump on the rug you start praying to chip - after a minute or so your Avie will spit out a 'truth' about your benefactor, and give you a linden dollar!
You don't even have to think up a truth!!! You can just sit there and scratch your nuts!!

Whatta bargain!!!!

Cue that Dire Straits muzak pah-leeeeze!!!

Money for nothin and your Chips for free!



Siggy.

LOL. It's true. It's parked on the deck right next to my Freelon store. How are those pizza ovens coming along Siggy?

If you figure out a way to make money, send it to me. I'm a starving college student!

I think with a lil polish the 'Lil Greasers' Pizza Oven should be done by the end of the weekend! -- which is 'Siggy Time' for next weekend!

Getting some 'pizza throw' anims goin and it's all good! Woot! Pizza Pizza!


Siggy.

Gonna address the original post I guess....

Although I'm more into the building and creation aspects of SL - I still understand the frustration.. There was a cost incurred for rezzing prims, keeping them out - how high they were -- to create anything substantial (which was what I thought was fun) cost a bunch of bucks.. And there was no way to buy L$ either... so even that option wasn't there.

I tried busting my hump to make tax day - and Second Life became Second Job.. Not fun.

If you want to MAKE money - you'll have to work at it, no way around that really.. But rather than blaze the path that everyone else does, look at your own strengths, what you enjoy doing, and see if that won't be a good starting point.

If your more socially bent than most, there are people looking for event managers and such - dealing with people.

Find what you enjoy doing, what you're good at, and use it to your advantage... Misty Rhodes confesses quite regularly that she couldn't build anything more than a cube - and she did quite well for herself -- as did Marilyn Murphy.


One way to increase your base stipend is to get ratings -- the ratings prices have gone up recently, and they don't flow as freely as they once did, but there are many of us around who still rate people for having a nice av, or for just having an interesting conversation.

A few ratings under the belt (just for hanging out with folks now and then) will bolster that weekly pay a little.


- A penny saved is a penny earned - is the old saying too.. Seek out places where you can get what you want for a good price. With so many people making stuff bargains abound!

Above all try and find your niche here - find what YOU enjoy doing and have fun.. It won't happen instantly, but eventually it will happen...

Siggy.

"If you will not be a content contributor, then you consume with what you have and if you haven't enough to do so, that is supposed to be incentive to be a content contributor. That's the design and it works just fine for all but the 'entitlement crowd'."

You know this is such CRAP I can't even finish reading the thread! Not that Cienna is the only one to say this. I've heard this same crap from so many here it is ridiculous! In fact, it's about all I DO hear!

All this amounts to - all that those of you constantly rejecting my idea are saying - is "This is the way it is, because it is this way, because this is the way it is." How circular can you get?

And that you like it that way. And that there are only and always shall be and never should be more than two options.

And anyone who thinks differently is part of the damn "ENTITLEMENT CROWD."

Think about it! Only two things - create content or buy your money! What gods came down out of the heavens and said "there shall only be two things?"

I'm so sick of hearing that I could PUKE. There's not a one of you works harder than I do. But you can't bear to hear any slight criticism of "the way it is" or even FATHOM making things a tad more user-friendly to new players or attractive to more players or offer any dang option aside from how things are now. I have never SEEN any group of people so attached to the status quo.

Try thinking outside the box.

And stop calling those who do the "entitlement crowd."

coco

Is "balls the size of planets" still okay?

Yes, Chip, that's fine.

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That is capitalism, my friend.

You MUST pay to play. But you know this, man!!!

But... but... but! What if I don't want to pay? Shouldn't I have anything I want because I want it? I mean, even though someone else spends a lot of time and effort on creating something, shouldn't I be able to have it just because I need it in order to feel like I am having a good time?

According to the shut-up-your-whining-and-pick-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps-community so evident on the forums there are two answers for that question.

If you want events content, whomever has worked hard to make it happen should do this for free. And be happy to provide you not ONLY with free entertainment, but with free money. (it is their duty! how else are the poor newbs to make anything if not? isn't that what we are doing in this forum? Training people to expect the events hosts to hand people money if no one will give them a job?) Events content makers mustn't ever expect to actually be paid in any workable fasion or they are in fact seeking entitlements!

If you want materials content, whomever has worked hard to make it happen should do this for LOTS of Linden! And be happy to take not only your linden in game but to cash in your linden for RL money. *sigh*

ok. i know i'm being a jerk here. But the point that i am making is the HUGE double standard that i hear in the forums. If you work is distributed through a vendor you deserve recognition for your effort. if your work is distributed at a venue, your work is worth no recognition AND you are responsible for the *pay* of all new players.

This solution for new players (to expect to get money at clubs) just doesn't work any longer the way it once did. Very few clubs actually can afford cash prizes any longer, and if people don't pay events hosts with tips (as the newb in this thread is told specifically not to do: not to put money in the pot that i must assume does in fact in some way pay for the actual content creator (the event host) to recoup for his or her time) if we don't pay events hosts, then i imagine it won't be long that that will be an option at all for people. But you see how flawed it is? People are being told to suck from the teat of a cow that is being starved to death. Why could it not be the merchants who hire newbs? Why not have newbs selling your shoes? your hats? your tables? I'm sure they would do so enthusiastically for the first person to treat them to anything other than a boot in the arse and a gigantic purchase box on their heads.

I want to see this great world where every person's potential is acknowledged and where every person's talents are nurtured. To be treated like a criminal or a leach for wanting to be part of this community and desiring to have some sort of acknowledged contribution is heartbreaking. To hear that one is either the shepherd or the sheep is equally disheartening. What kind of community is that?!? *curls lip in disgust* What matters to too many folks, apparently, is business and business only. And isn't that business as usual.

Sad, and disheartened

Perse.

By the way, I must be a total idiot, but I actually do just give things away to newbies. Someone did that for me when I got here and I still recall that lovely exotic dancer with fondness. She and two other dancers heaped copyable files on me and made my day! One sweet oldbie boy gave me a copyable pvc dress and a chicken dance! I was Thrilled!Since that time, I've done the same because sometimes a helping hand isn't such a vile thing. It is true that at some point we each must help ourselves and shape our futures, but having a little compassion isn't so bad either.

Just to add a comment on the 9.95 for a life time membership thing.

Lets just round that to 10.00 for the ease of math.

10,000 lindens is worth $40.00 (Rough estimate mind you)

So that means US$10.00 is equal to ¼ of L$10,000 or L$2,500

Now for a base account of US$9.95 that logs in each week and has no ratings that’s L$50 per week.

So in essence over 50 weeks the Lindens are going to pay you back for logging in.
Oh that’s an investment you even get back if you stay.

Oh but wait you meet a few friends and now you have ratings.
With ratings now you get 50 base stipend and a 50 weekly bonus for socializing.

Now you have cut your ROI down to 25 weeks or half a year.

So if you stay what’s that mean the other half of the year.
Well you in essence make $9.95 and oh get this if you keep getting ratings and things go up your earning money.

So hypothetically say you get your ratings bonus up to 350 per week and your Stipend is still at 50 for a grand total of 400 a week what does that mean?
Well, it means SL is the first online world ever to pay you just to be there. Funny huh?

Oh it gets even better for the whiners that don’t get this yet.

There is 52 weeks in a year thus 52weeks x L$400 is L$20,800.
OMG Linden Labs is paying New members over US$80 a year just to be in world that’s plain scary. Especially when to be honest all they had to do was go say “Hello” to a few people and wala MONEY.

Now we haven’t even considered those that pay tier or own land and how they feel about all of this have we.

But I will continue that in a follow on post.

Shadow

Follow on for the Tier payers.

Now the Tierinated..Those that pay Tier per month.

We will exclude the “Feted Few” that have a life time membership as they are dropping off like flies.

So for a New Tier Paying Member, that owns “LAND” lets just say the simple 512 meters.

Well to own land you must pay US$9.95 + a tier fee of US$5.00 for a total of US$14.95 a month to own 512 meters of land.

Lets just round that off to US$15.00 per month.

So if US$ 10.00 is = to L$2500 then US$15.00 is = to L$3,750

Those members get an automatic L$500 a week meaning they get back in one month L$2000 with no ratings.

So lets equate a Tier paying member with a Non Tier paying member by saying as mentioned previously that they get a ratings bonus of L$350 a week.

So now the total is L$850 per week and a grand total of L$3400 a month. Actually they are taking a L$350 a month loss on their investment but they got land.

See this is what I don’t understand when people start bitching and whining about ooh I don’t make enough money. Has anyone ever considered that those that own land and pay tier are actually subsidizing the poor and paying them to be in world.

Funny thing when you compare apples to apples and someone is getting the shaft huh?

So sorry I don’t quite get it when people start ranting that they can’t because they are not technically savvy.
These numbers here are simple and have nothing to do with making individual money.
With this analogy you can see who doesn’t have the right to bitch at all when it comes to money in SL.
One who accepts handouts shouldn’t be biting the hands that feed them.

Soak it all in and you will see just on base analogy that what I am saying is true. It actually gets worse for the Tier paying members when you start looking at larger parcels of land and higher tier payments.

Final example using the same base info.
A person paying US$40.00 in tier + the $9.95 monthly fee is paying US$49.95 or rounded to US$50.00
That’s equivalent to L$12,500 a month but in return they only get back with the L$350 ratings bonus a grand total of L$3750 for a difference of L$8,750 a month or Loss.

So please again tell me where this jumping on people about pulling yourself up from the bootstraps comes from. Sorry but those offering that advice are only trying to show those individuals getting a free ride that they need to contribute back to the community as a whole.

But I guess that’s just me ranting…so you don’t have to listen if you don’t want to.

Shadow

*applause for Shadow*

Sometimes there is someone able and willing to offer you a job, but you shouldn't count on it, because every person willing to pay you to do something is someone who once had to do it all themselves... just like you're being asked to do.

Second Life is a lot like First Life -- you succeed if you're willing to work at it. Sometimes you get lucky and you find things people are willing to pay you to do, sometimes not. There is no obligation on the part of anyone to make sure you have a way to earn Lindens. That is your obligation to meet, pure and simple.

I suppose there are those who will hook themselves on the words 'willing to work' and just stop thinking long enough to get to the notion that 'willing to work' isn't a statement of motivation or laziness, but of interest in investigating deeply enough to find something that works for yourself.

To be sure, the notion of putting my real-world experience in writing to work here didn't occur immediately.... but it did occur. And that is the really enjoyable thing about this product - not only does it not restrict you, it requires you to find your own enjoyment.

Some are just more experienced at doing this than others, I suppose. Then again, there's only one way to gain experience in it....

I would be curious to know if FlashFire is still in game. Did FlashFire figure out a way to survive in the SL world on a limited income or by getting a job or learning a trade. Are you out there FlashFire? Probably not no post's after 4/21/05 for FlashFire. hummm

Ctrl-F

But I digress....

I've been in game less than a month and have accumulated quite a bit of scratch just by scrounging what I can, hitting up money-ball events, money chairs while I'm at work and (coughs) escort work.

Basic accounts are like illegal immagrants.

We take the jobs that the rich players don't want.

But we are still a viable and vibrant part of the economy.

Wow. When do you guys figure this out? If you want to be a "person who just wants to buy things and hang out", someone has to make the things you want to buy.

If you say "Oh no well Linden can make content!" trust me, memberships won't be free or 9.95 a month.

Oh, thats right. All the people who will make free stuff for the love of creating.

Maybe that would be possible if nobody had to pay tier. Until then we'll have to live with a hybridized 'love of creating' and 'paying the bills'.

The fact of the matter is, if you want a free ride, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE has to make up for it. Someone has to take the hit.

I find it -impressive- when we work for 3 months on an avatar, all anyone can do is piss and moan about paying a life-altering USD$3.45 for it. (Which we get about $3 of, split by 4 people, so that's $0.75 - CALL ME ROCKEFELLER,PLEASE!)

It seems that your calculation of who should take the hit are the "tekki-wikki-scripterati-contenterati" (PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK UP ANOTHER MEME) who should be fine with doing free work and providing for you guys while you all go out and "buy stuff, hang out, and have fun".

I sure would like to do that sometimes. Kinda tough inbetween all the free mods we end up doing. But customer service is important to me, and all said, you get a hell of a lot for the equivalent of two donuts and a coffee.

i admit i was upset when when the bonuses went away. but, i work in rl and play in sl. it didn't take long to get used to the fact if i want to play here and have nice clothes i have to pay for it, just like rl. *shrugs* of course i'd rather have free stuff, but that isn't going to happen.

i guess what i'm trying to say is, if you want nice stuff you have to pay for it by working or bringing money in and i don't think that's such a bad thing. Just my $.02 worth

sorry its 3am and im not very coherent.

jaci

Aww, it was starting so good Your quoted price is for 1024 sqm, not 512 (which is included in the base 9.95 monthly price of Premium accounts... a price that can be brought down to $6 a month.).