Virtual Rape? How Does it Effect You When it Hits SO Close to Home?

Yes but she is still being FORCED to either leave the sim or second life. The Male perp wins his power play by making the women do something.
It about being force to do something in the case of rape a sex act.
Nothing in second life is like real life. As going to a restraunt in real life is so much better than second life, rape is so much worse in real life than second life.
Just as sex in second life is not like sex in real life, rape in second life is not like rape in real life. It does not mean it does not happen it is just different.

No. You cannot be raped in SL because you have the power to leave if you have the will.

You can be harassed. The woman in the situation could have left, but she valued her relationship with someone who saw her as an consumable more than she valued herself. Since she could say No - and enforce it by leaving, it wasn't rape.

It was just sad, and hopefully next time she will choose someone who values her. And maybe the guy will get a clue if enough women tell him to go cyber his buddies himself.

Well she is still being forced to leave either the sim or second life. What would you call it if she gets "stalked" by gangs of thugs? Having no place of peace in SL being hunted down.

I agree rape in second life is not rape in real life but it is an act of aggression. Being able to tp away or log off from a male perp is sort of like being able to run away in real life.

My only problem is by saying tp or log off are we empowering this sort of aggressive behavior?

No she's not. For one thing, if it's her land, she can add him to the ban list. Being harassed isn't fun, but in SL it's an irritant, not a threat to your safety. She could also stand there and make fun of the size of his attachments - what's he going to do, blacken her eye?

OK so he could harass her. Well, there are plenty of good ways of dealing with harassment here - ignoring until the person gets bored being the most effective.

And no, it's not an act of aggression. It's an act of asshole. He could have said "Wear a pink sundress or I'm dumping you." Doesn't even sound like there was any harsh language.

Your physical safety is never at risk in SL. That's the essential difference.

If you want to empower people, then encourage men and women to not put up with a partner who views them as an object or a possession. SL is a pretty safe place to play out scenarios if you have a problem with crappy relationships. Learn to draw good boundaries here and then take that into RL.

You know what the first advice in self defense classes is? Doubly so in womens self defense classes?

Escape.

Every single action taught is followed by - and then escape.


As for the first paragraph.. I'd say what you have is an act of agression - harrassment at best.. but 'rape'.. no

Thats sensationizing the issue - and marginalising a real issue.

Like the 'forum posts are violent' complaints I hear - its hyperbole. Nothing more - nothing less.

No, I am prepared myself to defend myself first. Two in the perp’s o ring will solve the problem nicely. While blubbering for my life and not to be raped remove my Glock 40 from its hiding spot and put a permanent end to his rapist’s career once and for all. In Japan I am forced to defend myself by knife alone. I have a 5 folded kitchen knife that will do the job nicely.

I would only run if there was no chance to defend myself. Will I get in trouble for sending the male perp to his grave? Perhaps in some places but you have to be alive to be in court.

How does this relate to Second Life hmmmm? The problem with second life is that the perp can keep coming back. Either at another place of his choosing or as an alt and bypassing the ban restriction, I hear why do not you just restrict your land? Well it also bans a lot of decent residents as well as the bad.

I do agree with all of you that the problems in second life are not nearly as bad as real life but it is still a problem for some, no more and no less.

Do I sound a bit militant? Perhaps but I am a warrior and not a groveling slave. I am descendant from warriors and not slaves.

well, seeing as the delicate flower in this case gave consent, and later laughed about it, and only after a good brainwashing refuses to refute these outrageous claims, i think you are missing the point

i am not going to address specifics about being raped in SL, as I think it is about the silliest allegation out there

consider the source carefully of the quote in post #1

Maybe a little.

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No - you sound a bit like your internet fantasy is getting to your head

But either way you totally dodged the point in your rush to tell me about your 'l337 GunZ Sk1llZor!'

Maybe not everyone can whip a AK47 out of their vagina in time to shoot someone - or skillfully use a kleenex to apply the ninja papercut of decapitation...

The fact is that nearly all self defense classes (smartly) teach methods to escape the situation... They expressly say not to try and duke it out - rather kick them in the balls and get the hell outta there - then get to a safe place - call the cops - do what you have to do.

So giving that advice in SL - to TP away - log off - then contact support, etc. is actually pretty sound advice.

As for the rest of your drivel... I've been around - I'm singularly unimpressed.

I understood your point all so well. I sometimes think that popular culture teaches a women not to resist the rapists. About being a "delicate flower" a rose has thorns right but is still a flower.
Hmmm the source, suppose you have a point.
I do agree with you but it is still a form of griefing.

there was no griefing

she met him and tped with him with full understanding what she was doing

it was only later when her mentor decided what happened for her that she shut up and let the nutjob make the wild accusations

Be unimpressed all you like, in Oklahoma we have a "stand your ground law". I have a concealed weapons permit and a Glock 40 which I carry. I train with it regularly and often I like it a lot better than the 9mm given to me in my part time soon to be full time job.

I like how you try to degrade my efforts to defend myself. A kick to the balls works sometimes but when they are full of drugs? Frack! A drug crazed man can be shot point blank with a 38 and still not drop. Do not talk to me about pepper spray or noise makers. I heard that in Canada a permit is required for a noisemaker and the perps get excited upon hearing them!

I was a "victim" once and will not be one again! It is probably the reason for a lot of things I believe and do.

Is this an "internet fantasy "? well you do not know for sure do you? I live in the State of Oklahoma in the United States of America. Having a concealed weapons permit and handgun is not a big deal. AK 47? Do you not know they are illegal and rather a bulky thing to carry around never mind place in there? You are a funny fellow

I figured that too and know some people like that.

No - I dismiss your story and call you at not addressing the point in order to tell me how great you are... sort of like you're doing with this post...

I'm not talking about pepper spray and noise makers - I'm talking what advise is given to people, especially when confronted in situations like that.

And what the fuck does Canada have to do with it? I'm Australian and living in Nevada.



I know I'm a funny fellow - I try not to fly in the face of popular opinion... Do I know for sure? No.. but I do know the old saying that empty vessels make the most noise - and 9 times out of 10 anyone who wants to tell me about how many guns they have and/or how good they are with them is usually blowing hot air outta their arse.

I'm not disputing what can be done in the US, or in Oklahoma - I'm *dissmissing* your gun tales as being utterly irrelevent to the point. Oh, and adding as a sidenote that I don't beleive them.

The point being that telling someone to leave a situation then report it is sound advice... given to many in the real world - and backed up by 90% of all womens self defense classes.

Now if you have something to add to that rather than 'I own a gun' - then you'd maybe do well to skip on over this post.

Both of them are countries with series gun control laws where the crime rate has increased greatly after this was done.

That's called being a push-over and obviously having low self-esteem. At no point was there any real harm to this person, except in her own deluded view of SL. I'd get her some mental help.

Ranma ...

I know that we disagree beyond any hope of common ground politically (and I suspect will continue to), but I do have a question for you:

Speaking as someone who does believe you, actually, I'm curious though as to what you have in mind in the event of an actual attack. I'm not ... in any way trained to defend myself like you are, but I do read a wide variety of things, and I've done some reading on self-defense issues. One of the major points that I can recall being made was that clearing a weapon and bringing it to bear while already under attack at close range (and an assailant, by definition, has the initiative) is infinitely more difficult in real life than in the movies. How do you get around that problem, especially given that men are, in all honesty, a lot stronger?

To be clear, I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong here. I'm genuinely curious.

Rape can't happen on a virtual level.

There's a big difference between someone typing out a scene with another person, reading it...as opposed to being physically tossed down on a bed and forced to have sexual intercourse with someone against their will.

If you want to call out "virtual rape", then call out every movie that you've ever seen with a rape scene in it, every book you've ever read...

You never know, I bet there is a lot of common ground between us. Just because someone does not agree with you all of the time does not make them your foe.

You have me on the stronger part. Most men are a lot stronger than me. I like to think a mans extra weight and strength can be used against him like a small sumo. I am not an expert but know a few tricks.
About my Glock 40? Well how do you think the police police do it? I carry the same firearm a lot of police carry. I do not have time to pull back the slide and chamber a round. I do not think the perp would be so patience, do you? I have to carry it it with a bullet in the chamber and cocked with the safety on. It is a little dangerous but why bothering carying it otherwise? I use to carry a 38 colt revolver on a empty chamber but do not think it would impress a person on drugs. Even so I still need to surprise the perp to employ my pistol in any defense.
My best defense is to try and avoid a rapists in the first place. I dont want to to shoot one but have prepared myself if need be. There are all sorts of ways to avoid problems, where you park your car, where and when you go shopping, etc. Again this is the best approach to avoiding problems.


Sometimes I think am silly carrying the thing around. I have not even seen the suggestion of a problem. Then again I do not go out to bars or clubs. The perp would probally take it away from me anyway. My best defense is avoidance and surprise. Who would expect a Little Asian Lady to carry a Glock 40? With a little luck will never need it but that was the whole point of my message. We make ourselves victims don't we? I am not a victim and am prepared to defend myself either from an external threat or from a internal threat.

The Plot Thickens

She-Who-Shall Not-Be-Named gets it this time!

Mulch, are you Fictional?

The thought crossed my mind, too.

no, we both use the SC/SaSu/FiH ventrilo, you and Lorelei are welcome to come chat with the both of us on it... although he wont be around for the weekend on vent

PM me at SC for server info

he is my hetero lifemate tho... so, get ready for a double dose when we are both on

Mulch do you play wow? which server?