Warning! Self-replicating Land Scanner on many sims!

An high number of active moving scripted items DOES cause lag, and a lot. Whatever they scan for.

No, because temp on rez items cant be autoreturned.

oh great, bunch of FIC drama queens crying because LindenLab doesn't come to their rescue

chill, people.

What was said about the re-rezzing is accurate. 1.6 tools will likely, from what I've seen on preview, not give people the ability to stop these from keep coming. Let me repeat this:
There is no way for land owners to detect, prevent, or even remove these foreign, scripted objects with listens in them from coming on their land.

And no, the actual land data reading is not laggy, per se, but the moving around, rezzing, and sensing and listening network is EXTREMELY laggy. I would not be surprised if these satellites have single handedly been responsible for the asset server problems we're seeing, but that is sheer conjecture.

I propose a simple solution if this is not immediately banned by Linden Lab.

-- a free-to-copy "land scanner" that will thoroughly land scan specific areas of land. what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

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There's a philosophical concept called the categorical imperitive. It asserts that ethics of actions depend on the ability to say:
If everyone did this activity, would it be okay?

Now, if everyone had 50+ land scanners on every sim as one poster suggested there is, at 20,000 active users, that'd be 100,000 active scanners per sim.

Tell me, is that okay?

I say: ban.

I suppose the same could be said about any object.

From what I have seen, some land scanners, like the one posted months ago, may cause lag. Yet others with long intervals would cause none. You can't ban someone for using a land scanner on their own land.

Maybe you didn't understand, he is using it in EVERYONE's land.

Since those items constantly autorez and move around they DO cause lag because those are laggy actions, the sensing thing could even be secondary.

can you put some in larsen? i would like to help end war and hunger too!

Scripted objects that autorez, are triggered from other objects in nearby sims and move around, could be deemed as predatory or annoyances, especially if they use prims and the owner has no control of returning them.

I suppose fireworks have similar properties, but they are short-lived. Ones that never end could be annoying, especially in the absence of the owner.

I finally mmanaged to hunt one down and keep it in sight enough time to abuse report the genius. I REALLY hope the lindens won't understimate this thing, because it's for sure a plague that needs to be eradicated, before it gets out of hand.

Goddamn nanite pollution.

Done, but there are certainly none at Welsh (170,56).

again tho how do we know they're scanning. are the scripts viewable and if so can somebody post them here please?

so it's on my land? how do i check?

Even if they werent scanning (and they probably are), they are continuously moving and rezzing, and this causes quite a lot of lag, that in big numbers becomes an hell of lag. The rezzing activity to my knowledge is one of the laggiest actions of lsl.
They contain active scripts because they are detected by a sensor on active items.

To find them you need to fly up at 400 meters and activate object beacons and highlight transparent in the view menu. But even like that they are very difficult to find because they are extremely small and purposedly built to be stealthy. So a scanning item like scan-foo by crystalshard foo (set to scan for Active items owned by others) can help.

No, the creator of the scanners failed to make any response at all the last time this happened. I don't expect that he'll do so now. Why should he? I think goes his rationale. As with Small Chance before him and with the first iteration of the LB devices, without LL sanction, can you say he's "wrong"?

So I don't think we're going to see code, or even a stated purpose. The creator has adopted a "his world, his imagination" stance. That it violates the Categorical Imperative doesn't seem to matter. From some public information in-game, I think he may be providing a land scanning "service" for a friend. But we'll likely never know.

My scanners, on the other hand, are helping to bring about RL world peace. Trust me.

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1. Land scanners should be illegal.

2. Land scanners should be unnecessary.

If good information was more readily available on the web these lagbombs would not be necessary. As a bottom-fisher who occasionally looks for lowpriced land, it is extremely frustrating that it is so much work using the Linden-supplied tools to figure out which land is mature and which is PG. Mature land sells for more than PG. Flat land sells quicker. Shoreline is desirable, slopes less desirable, underwater land depends on situation, etc..

There is no reliable way to find this stuff out without actually visiting the land. That's extremely time consuming and boring. People will make bots to do that.

If you could see the elevation, contour (i.e., highest elevation minus lowest elevation), under-water or not, season (i.e., snow, normal, tropical), and sim rating in the "Find" (or better yet, on the wb), then the playing field would be level and the lagbot barons would not have an incentive to fly the lagbots. It can only get worse.

Buster

P.S. I do *NOT* use bots.

I've designed a SL search engine called Scoogle... I've yet to implement it, as I've been busy with SIM Combat and PoseCubes and my store's products, but such searchable things are included in my design.

Sounds like your beef is not with scanners, but with competition.

however, llrezobject can be hmm... problematic

when will we be able to return objects or delete em by script on our land :/

I can see this becoming the cold war script race... land scanners rez faster and faster to get by the timed check and deletion of objects...

I don't see why landowners should be required to either lock down their land or go to extensive means to keep out unwanted scripts. The prior is completely unrealistic because it would cripple shopowners' ability to let others sell stuff and use vendors on their land. The latter is unreasonable because we're just degrading the overall speed of SL just to take care of what amounts to tresspassing.

These objects are reporting to a source.

Jam it.

Another option would be to wait for 1.6 and then sit with your trigger finger on the object list (constant refresh), and then return them each time they appear on your land. After about 800 object return notices and a bloated inventory, the owner may begin to get annoyed.

And Hiro - old, old, OLD news. As of half a year ago. I remember IMing the guy and never getting a reply.

I generally keep my mini-map open on-screen and use it as a 'radar' to keep an eye on what is going on around me...

Often while at home in Dacia, I see fast moving objects (prims, not avatars) on straight courses tracking across the mini-map (rather like watching satellites in the night sky) but see nothing actually around me, which suggests they are up at high altitude.

Perhaps it's these land scanners I am seeing ?

I have often wondered, but have never actually tried to pursue and fly one down.

How do you jam it Crystal? thanks.