yard sales banned from the events calendar

Thumbs down along with Linden Labs blunder of turning off property lines and makeing it purposefully harder to turn on Property lines...

Turn on the Property lines, and keep the Yard Sales

Why do you want to keep the yard sales, Magnum?

Im so glad to see this has happened and happened quickly !!!

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TY Jesse for taking care of this so quickly

Yah I'm with you on that too - same as for every 20 bling-thong-moneyball-campchair forests there was something like Darklife....

You wanna encourage one thing in a fair way and it will be abused until its taken away..

But on the upside, you can go to classifieds.

I was a bit wary of the whole classifieds sha-bang to be honest.. but I've found it a very affordable and effective way of advertising MUCH better than 'find'

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(which btw to any lindens watching - we've had run on our place in Gallinas for the better part of a year and a half and have YET to flippin appear on - hell they won't even appear when you TYPE THE EXACT NAME OF THE F*CKING PLOT IN! - so I'm yet to work out why I pay 30 bucks a week for that shite.. maybe I'm like the guy in the back of the class with the 9v battery on his tongue all day - shit I dunno)
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anyways -- yeah classifieds.. It actually affordable enough to list new products AND your biz place in seperately -- and I got a ASSLOAD of traffic while paying under 100 bucks... this week I'm putting all my new stuff up - still under 300 bucks total, and thus far is doing well too.

So maybe yard sales aren't shit outta luck.

I'm glad they did the property lines thing too - accidentally turning that shite on all the damn time was pissing me off constantly.

Plus - one more key to press aint that flippin hard, just makes sure you're turning it on when actually WANT to see it.

Yes, yes, quadruple yes, yes! Although I'd like to see an exception made for charity yard sales. How that would be accomplished, I don't know. I think you'd probably have to advertise the event as a charity something besides a yard sale. Silent auction, perhaps?

There's a simple thing which solves all these problems.

Simply write in that whatever event you are advertising, it must be hosted interactively by a live person.

If you want a yard sale, fine, but actually bother to turn up for the hour or so it runs. My tours? Live guide all the way. *ingo competitions? Someone's gotta run 'em.

So if you have a bunch of zombies in a '24 hour "shop till you go broke or can't find anything else you want, by the way we have camping chairs" competition, at least someone *has* to turn up and host it.

Lewis

As far as I know you've always had to have a host present for events, it's just hard to enforce

And i agree with siggy, i have only heard postive responses after people posted in the inworld classified, sales went up. So posting 1 classified shouldn't be that much of problem for the yard salelers.

I have posted about this problem so many times I think I made poor Jonquille cry with boredom

I agree the abuse of the events list with so called yard sales is so out of hand now and its time to exclude them from the events list, but we should make sure that genuine "flea market" like events can still be posted!

Presumably wouldn't an Abuse Report (as in abuse of events calendar) deal with the issue, if the person supposedly hosting isn't online? Perhaps not necessarily as severe as a suspension/ban, but perhaps removal of event posting privileges for a week if 'found guilty' by a Linden?

Think about it.... would you put all your belongings in your front yard, with a big sign saying "gone out all day, please put the money in the bucket for whatever you buy"? Chances are you'd come back to no belongings, no money... and probably no bucket either.

In my years of TSO and short time so far in SL, I have never, ever hosted 'afk', and I don't plan to start doing so now.

Lewis

Well we don't have to AR em now - coz they're gone!

The problem with the multiple simple solutions is that noone used em - so now the pimp hand comes down....

bahm bahm bahm -- another one bites the dust.

I call SL a game - even if it were more serious I probably would still due to habit... but it still remains that I don't cheat or 'rules lawyer' when I play games.. but others do.. so long as that 'game the system 'mentality remains - SL will never be what a bunch of people so desperately want it to become. And with every lil codification to enforce the 'rules' - also takes SL another step further from this woopty 'platformy' ideal.

Thats my opinon anyways... agree disagree.. I don't care.

I've never understood how SL can be anything "But" a game. What else could it possibly be?


If I see people blatantly breaking rules that are detrimental to other people's gaming experience, I see no reason why I shouldn't report it and let the relevant authorities know.

I'm going to try another tour soon - without all the clutter in the events calendar, it'll be interesting to see if more people come because it's easier to find.

Lewis

Gimme a break please

/me thinks she was one of the yardsale spammers.

Thumbs WAY up. In fact, if you eliminate the events calendar altogether, I'll open source my web-based events solution with online/offline notification so people can have more choice! But that would probably be better once we have a browser in world.

Regards,

-Flip

I was just talking about this to a friend lastnight.
I'ts been LONG overdue. you got my thumbs up.
all three of em

"Advertisements for commercial products or services will be deleted from the events calendar."

So..... then why is COMMERCIAL a choice under the events categories???

Yay!! Great news!!

I agree that it stinks for the legitimate yard sale people (where they do one like once every few months), but at least they have the classifieds! And if the cost is too much, have a multi-family yard sale and share the costs!

Good move LL!

Which would be a lot more interesting really.

While I can think of some exceptions that probably are appropriate for the events calendar, for the most part - I think this is an excellent change. To me at least, an event is a group activity that is lead by a host, and most importantly - a social engagement of some kind.



That was a product of the Events Workgroup meetings this summer, and from before we had in-game classified ads. I do tend to think we're probably better off without a "Commercial" event category - but it probably fits in with the 'exception' I hinted to at the top of my post.

For example - A new product show & tell. I could see where (providing it was structured to be entertaining and social) it could be an example of a legitamate 'commercial' event.

Thumbs way down.

I love yard sales and enjoy shopping at them. They are no less events than much of the stuff filling the calender--like store sales and everlasting "sexcapades." To single out yard sales is unfair and is not likely to significantly reduce calender clutter.

BTW--asking for an opinion from forum readers is not going to give you anything approaching a idea of what the SL population in general thinks. We are a self-selected minority with distinct biases.

I love that yard sales have been eliminated from the events listing, as most of them are perpetual "yard sales." Now about spamming the events... we all know that a certain place with lots and lots of traffic has been abusing the events for quite some time - please STOP IT!!

One other point--yard sales, whether fake or real, sell used good, which competes with new goods sold by SL's "physical" content creators. So if you ask "should be ban the use of the Events section for yard sales?" to a group of people who are predominantly SL's content creators, you are effectively asking, "should we crack down on your competition?"

The answer you will get should be obvious.

Commercial Events postings are also a cheap way for new vendors to get started. Established vendors don't need such an avenue--they can afford high posted classifieds, ads in the MM, hosting "real" events at a loss, etc. So, once again, you are asking a group of people (the "physical" content creators) if you should make things harder for their competion.

They will say "yes" of course.

Note that I am well aware that not everyone who regularly posts to the SL forums is a content creator. I am also aware that not every content creators feels as I have descibed above--I am speaking of general trends, and the reasonable and rational desire of people to further their own self-interest at no cost to themselves.