CUSTOMER INPUT:: What Features Do You Want In Your Complete Parcel Security System?

You are saying that as long as it is only a few people that are "inconvience" an action is ok?

I just tried a flight across an major land mass at full speed in my tarn and then with my jet pack. I didnt get across a third of it going as fast as possible avoiding all know builds. I wish Lindens labs would refund my premium membership fees.

You are lumping me into the same. I only want to know where it is safe to fly and where it is not so can avoid it. I hate having to TP everwhere and jerks have driven me off the mainland.

I dont want unlimited access just a limited access to travel freely from one place to another without the risk of security orbs.

Even the Americans had flight corridors into Berlin from the west through Soviet airspace!

I dont know where you see unlimited access in my messages

and stop threating me as that is against the TOS.

Am saying it makes it a lesser evil. Neither ban lines _nor_ security scripts are ideal device to allow one some privacy, but security scripts if reasonably configured have less negative impact, overall.


At what height were you flying, out of curiosity?

I was about 200 meters AGL. I did not have a chance!

I'm currently criss-crossing the south continent... approx 12,000M so far and not a single security script. I feel you are blowing this all out of proportion.If you remove the security orbs, you have gained UNLIMITED access to skyboxes... think about that for a second. You remove the ONLY tool available to those who want to "lock off" a very small area in the sky, leaving them with no way to restrict access without using a access-only white list... something that you BAN people from your land for doing!
That is all assuming that the access-only list actually works at that height... oh, hang on... no it doesn't... because some people made damned certain it'd only work up to 50M.

Think about what you are asking for... if you get the removal of orbs, you've gained full unlimited access to any place in the sky. Whether you think that's what you're asking for or not, that would be the result.

Talk about making damned sure a hell of a lot of people get their enjoyment of SL totally ruined just so you can do a little flying without inconvenience. Which, by the way, is bloody rare since that's 2 nice long flights today without a single orb saying a damned thing to me.I didn't see the Allies telling the Soviets that stopping them from flying through the airspace was attacking them... but maybe I missed that part of history. Maybe the Allies did say that and the Soviets capitulated.

On the other hand, maybe the Allies and the Soviets got together and worked out a compromise... you know, kinda like us dropping the secured areas down to as little as possible without opening ourselves to intruders while adding ever increasing amounts of warning time for those smaller and smaller areas while the flyers stop sodding moaning just because we *might* cause them a momentary inconvenience.

Those using orbs have, on the whole, gone out of their way to make things better for flyers... but there are some flyers who just won't be happy until the orb users have no security for their homes at all... aren't there?Read above and see just what your demands/requests would lead to... Think about more than how it will effect you and maybe you'll realise just what you ARE asking for...Tell me, where did I threaten you? Did I threaten you when I pointed out that you are doing your best to ruin other people's experience of SL? Did I threaten you when I pointed out just how intolerant you are being to people who want a little privacy? Did I threaten you when I pointed out the equating me and people like me to griefers is most certainly against CS and ToS as it is defaming an entire group? Did I threaten you when I pointed out that trying to get enough people to "make life hard" for people who use security orbs was very seriously against ToS and CS? (hell, that's harassment pure and simple) Did I theaten you by pointing out that banning someone simply because of their use of orbs is spiteful, especially when you make sure the everyone knows about it?

Maybe I threatened you by letting you know that you are breaching ToS and CS... maybe you would have prefered it if I HADN'T given you the chance to rethink your actions and start complying with ToS and CS before someone reported you?
Is that what you want? You really would prefer not to know when you're breaking the rules until you try to log on and get a warning/notice of being suspended?

Hon, I tried to do you a favour... if that is the thanks I get, then I guess I won't bother next time.


As it is, I'm keeping my orb on... I've had enough of compromising to those who just demand more and more.

I have not completed a flight this year without getting griefed by an unknown security orb. You have called me names and I have not done the same. All this because I would like to have a place to fly in peace?

I am asking Linden Labs and not you. Also I am not the only flyer out here! I dont know how you can fly like you do because every trip of mine ends in diaster. The lousy things crashed my server 3 times in less than 10 minutes!

There is no reasoning with you or Jonas.

I have a home too that requires security, the main one is located on a group only island and no you can not visit!

The way things are now make it impossible to fly, have no clue how you get away with it but you must beat the odds. You will not shut me up no matter how hard you try!

Where have I threaten you? By banning you from my property and asking others to do the same? I just look at it as fighting fire with fire. If I cant fly you cant either and the ban from the "black" list is total but honest.

I have not completed a flight this year without getting griefed by an unknown security orb. You have called me names and I have not done the same. All this because I would like to have a place to fly in peace?

Oh security users as a group are not a "protected" class as are names of avatars. If I am mistaken ask that a Linden tell me this.

Security orb users have ruined my SL experience! You will never get me to shut up on this subject, never!

I think its pretty rude that people are taking this argument into Burke's thread. He just wants customer feedback, not a debate. Poor Burke, having to sift though this for the info he wants.

What was it you told me? Get an island? Take your own advice and the problem is solved.

I've spent an hour flying now... and all that happened was a land owner ejected me themselves.

I would like to know how you manage to find these scripts like that when I've spent an hour looking for them...Which is why we've compromised and you just keep moaning... yes, I can see there's no reasoning with us. I don't WANT to visit... if you are any indication of the kind of person there, I'd rather smear my body in meat paste and take a dip in a pool filled with hungry Pirana than visit your island...Who's trying to shut you up? I'm just letting you know the other side of the argument... something that you seem to have missed in your crusade againsy orb users.You ban me in an attempt to stop ME from flying because someone else who uses an orb managed to interrupt your flight... THAT is spiteful.

You are asking people to band together and ban people who use orbs... that is marginalizing a group of people.It's the very first point they make in CS and you're breaking it.
You're also asking others to ban people just because they use orbs... and in my case at least, to stop me from flying... that's harassing an entire group of people... again one of the things CS says not to do, but you're intent on doing it.

You've insisted that orb users are griefing... that's defaming an entire group of people.
That's the third point in CS and you're breaking it.You are spiteful... "if I can't fly you can't either"
You are intolerant... "if enough residents make it hard for you and others"
You are defaming people... "With pvp gone now you have an unlimited license to grief." (in context of the use of security scripts)

I haven't called you a single name, yet you have managed to be offensive and insulting to me and every other orb user... and all this because we want a very small bubble of privacy...Really... what would you call a protected group?

How about simply a collection of people with a commonality... deny that, and you need to start working out just what a group is... as it is, any group is protected by CS and ToS.
Certain people are trying very hard to ruin almost every aspect of SL for me... while you have some problems flying. (and I still wonder how it's possible for you to have that much contact with orbs... I'm criss-crossing the damned continent! By the law of averages I should have run into something by now, if not on my previous flights)


By the way, did I mention that I do a LOT of flying? Well I do... and I've never once in my Second Life experienced anything even close to what you claim is out there.

Do I want you to shut up? Not at all... I find your poor arguments and biased claims to be highly amusing...
Why would I want you to stop making me laugh?

Why do you like to use insults? I just sent in an AR on you for these conments. Why do you insist on destroying flight? Why cant there be an access cooridor of say 100 meters? Why cant you just give a little? I am not asking for 100 percent access just a chance to complete a flight without getting griefed.
As to getting toughter with like minded residents, yes that is within the TOS but dont worry, I have retreated from the mainland remember? I am giving up flight. Now you have won, you can be happy now.
I am giving you the last word but can not read it since am muting you both in game and here to "keep the peace". Have fun in the game!

Flying on a small island is very boring however you can have your max security. It also comes with some neat tools. You can stay in there with your intrest alone if that is what you want.

We've already given some ground in the way of warnings, etc. Its your turn to give some ground.

Your 6 second warning is not enough! Also a lot of security orb users give none, zero. I had my CLIENT crashed 3 times on what turned into a 3km flight. Not everone gives warnings like you. Having a script that is intended to crash another residents CLIENT is GRIEFING!

Then you can buy it for me, because I'm not moving.

Fixed your post, since I can't get the thread back on track.

We already did We love our island free from griefers and other pests. Ah the island is restricted to residents only gomen na)

Your 6 second warning is not enough! Also a lot of security orb users give none, zero. I had my server crashed 3 times on what turned into a 3km flight. Not everone gives warnings like you. Having a script that is intended to crash another residents server is GRIEFING!

6 seconds is TOO much. People like you who refuse to give ground while demanding we do are the reason I turned the warning OFF.

We already did We love our island free from griefers and other pests. Ah the island is restricted to residents only gomen na)

Yeah, it's a Brit -- using the phrase "right to roam" is a dead giveaway, even before I looked at the sig.

Not everyone considers SL to be a "social game" -- remember, it's supposed to be what every single individual wants it to be, NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK IT IS.

So if someone decides that their land is their private playground, and that you are unnecessary to their SL experience, if you've been a jerk in some way (griefing them or wandering in when they forgot to lock the door, or peering in on them using the camera zoom when they wanted a little privacy), then they have a perfect RIGHT to bounce your ass off their property every single time you show up.

It's pixels in an electronic box that's sitting in CALIFORNIA, son. Unlike the UK, there is no common law in SL, no "right to roam" of the commons, no dealing with hundreds of years of village "right-of-way" agreements and assumptions, no idiots wandering around harassing the hedgehogs and badgers (or the residents, if they don't want you there).

In SL, it's MY LAND - MY RULES.

So, you spend post after post crying how mean people don't allow you to fly anywhere you please, while at the same time you refuse anyone but few people you share island with the 'right' to fly over _your_ place?

pfft.

No I just want to know where it is safe to fly and the places not to fly. 理解するか?

Flying over a single sim is very boring and hard. The Jet Girls Viper keeps going out of the sim! Our sim is closed due to grifers, children and problem residents. A private island sim is very different from the mainland. You can not fly from one to another.