CUSTOMER INPUT:: What Features Do You Want In Your Complete Parcel Security System?

Paranoia. Period.

Green dots are your friend, embrace them. You never know, you might actually realise that this game does have a social aspect after all.

Lewis

I'm a social bug in game. You obviously don't know me well. I just have a mental 'ickiness' level towards people on my property (virtual or not) when not invited. Another good example: I won't wear the company's kneepads at work to save my bad knee (one more good fall and its likely to need surgery) but I'm saving cash up for a good set. The difference? I'm the only one using them. Me and only those I let use them. Who knows how many have used the company ones? I don't. It makes me feel ill. Just like uninvited peoples on my land, even when I'm not there.

Quit trying to demonize my position and get some real debate material Lewis.

It wasn't paranoia that was bouncing about 35 avatars up and down from ground to 200m yesterday for over an hour on our land. No, that would be one of those nasty idiots we're trying to get rid of. We called Live Help, and Deana Linden (thank you Deana) and a Live Helper showed up to track down the problem - it took them well over an hour to locate the offending object, meanwhile all your friendly green dots were acting like they were on giant trampolines.

It's not paranoia if they're really after you.

Thus we see that some people have been unable to see there is a difference between private socialization and public socialization...

Sometimes people want to be social with a select few, sometimes with everyone... and sometimes with no-one because they're doing something and don't want to be disturbed.
Insisting that anyone who doesn't want to be social with everyone is wrong is nothing more than trying to force your idea of what SL should be onto everyone else and interferes with their enjoyment thereof...


Accept that the social aspect of SL is not the ONLY aspect and that there will be times/places where people do not want to be disturbed at all.

After reading your thread posts, I would like you to do me a favour if you don't mind. Could you please put me on your ban list? I would never wish to accidently step on your land, and you can bet your ass I would never buy from your shops if you are a merchant. kthx.

Could you use your land controls and just make it group or limited access. I enjoy seeing ban lines instead of getting tp home.

Doesn't work up at 300M... besides, we let everyone enjoy the unspoilt land on our parcel.

As it is, we don't use TP Home either... just a nice warning to leave the area around our skybox home/building area before you get ejected. Note that you can fly through the entire area being protected within 3 seconds, so unless you decide to stop and wait inside the protected area, you're not gonna get ejected anyway...

You let residents believe they are welcome when in fact they are not. I find that worse that ban lines. At least they are being honest about disliking you and not showing the false "friendship" that so many people like to do. If you dont like me and am not welcome someplace please tell me so I can avoid you and your property.
So I can fly at full speed across in 3 seconds. The Aircraft in SL suck and sometimes it takes awhile to figure out where to fly to. I am lost without my neddle compass and airspeed indicator! Not to mention GPS

Ban lines make awful display for all neighbours, though. So basically you're demanding to make things look ugly for multiple people around 24/7 because of rare chance you may be passing in a plane nearby property in question.

We need to start abuse reporting people using ban lines and security orbs for people on public waterways without notification. And recommending people make their 'pretty stuff on the water' phantom. Cause.. well... it'd be nice and considerate of others who wish to go rafting, kayaking, or tubing.

I would rather have ban lines than your false beauty. A ban line shows the ugly of the person putting it up for no reason. I want to put your ugly out into the shinshine of truth for all of the world to see.
I dont like security scripts with their 6 second warning with lag it is just enough time to know you are screwed.
I suppose you would like for people to have your beauty and not know and get tp home from your security orb. Jerks like you really piss me off!
For your infomation there are a lot more flyers than me! I just want to know where it is ok to fly and thus avoid you and all of the other security types out there.

Yes, because it's not _you_ who has to live with consequences of your preference 24/7. Nor even the person with the ban lines, but everyone around them. Very easy to demand convenience under guise of some sort of morality at expense of other people, isn't it.


You don't even know my nationality or nothing about me for that matter, so please shove that presumptous racist crap where it belongs. Out of the forum.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, is welcome to come and visit the unspoilt beauty of our land... no-one is banned from that. However, we restrict access to our private residence in the sky...

We're not offering friendship, false or otherwise... nor are we saying we dislike people. All we are saying is people are welcome to visit the land if they feel like it while leaving us some privacy in our home.

We do what a lot of places do IRL... let people enjoy the land, but keep the home private. Does that mean they all hate everyone?
Did I say anything about aircraft? You can fly across it in 3 seconds just using your AV... though you need some form of flight device to get that high in the first place, which is why we moved to that height.

How is your security orb and six second (if you give that) more moral than ban lines? You like people to look at your nice property and when they get too close, blam! tp or perhaps getting pushed into orbit. Is your security orb even in foreign land safe mode? Being able to go through second life without threat of being attacked from a security orb is not convience!Ban lines allow you to avoid entering your property to start with!So they are ugly, public safety comes before your graces sense of beauty!

I use to try finding a height above the security scripts to fly but it is impossible to avoid them. Your security scripts have ruined my enjoyment of flight. It is my responce to ban all those who use white lists and security orbs on alarm mode. I encourge all other residents to do the same. Other residents may not see ban lines but it is my hope that you do!

I know for a fact that my security script has done nothing to your enjoyment of flight...

Kindly remove your accusation.
To quote yourself... you're now just showing the ugly inside you. You ban people out of spite, which I think is a pretty ugly side to show.

Thank you for showing the world just what you are like...

I could care less what you think about me. If enough residents make life hard for you and other people who use security orbs against all residents but griefers than perhaps it will make you reconsider your actions.
The security scripts that bother me don’t even warn or tell me who did it. With pvp gone now you have an unlimited license to grief. The Lindens are into lesire faire and don’t care about what the good people want.
In any case I said security programs LIKE yours, not necessary yours.

I don't _have_ any security device to begin with. So it's not "mine" thank you. And it's not issue of morality to me, but co-habitation. Comfort of close neighbours matters more to me than convenience of random fly-byer, because it's the neighbours i have to live with on continuous basis. Whereas the random pilot is only affected by security device --if at all-- _once_ and after then they become acutely aware that particular piece of space is equipped with security system.

Security systems work based on sensors, sensors have 96m radius. Meaning sensor-free zone is most likely to be located at ~100-200 m altitude (as this is above ground level sensors, and below skybox sensors, if any)

There might be exception, but i'd guess they're rather few.

I don't currently use any other security except the land tools. However as my ban list gradually fills up I can see why others use them. I can't say I agree that it's ok to just tp home anyone who steps on the land without ample warning and 6 seconds is not ample warning.

What Burke is detailing here, from what I understand, seems perfectly reasonable. This would basically just be expanding on the tools we already have, yes?

In the store and club of course the land is open to everyone, but to those who have said that all of SL is supposed to be open to roaming, no not at my home. My home is private. When there are little green dots in my home, those are my friends, not drop in strangers. There are plenty of times and places where I am very social, in fact sometimes I think I need to get away for quiet privacy a little more often.

I would like to comment on a few things you have said Lewis.
I will never use big ugly red ban lines because I remember when a close friend of mine had to deal with logging in one day to find them surrounding his castle, which at the time he was trying to sell. Not only were they hostile, ugly and unnecessary, they inhibited his ability to show and sell his land. I wouldn't do a thing like that to my neighbors.
Tell you what, you let me be the judge of what I should and shouldn't be doing and simply accept that for some perfectly natural and normal things I have a right to not want an audience. I don't mean to sound harsh really, but that is an extremely judgmental statement.
I think that there are SOME security devices that overly rude and hostile and unnecessarily upsetting to people and there are some that are perfectly acceptable and used for valid reasons. It's simply a difference of extremes.
Sure but always consider where you are roaming. If you see green dots in my club then yes by all means drop down and say hi. But if you see a couple of green dots in my home, please don't.

You are saying that as long as it is only a few people that are "inconvience" an action is ok? I just tried a flight across an major land mass at full speed in my tarn and then with my jet pack. I didnt get across a third of it going as fast as possible avoiding all know builds. I wish Lindens labs would refund my premium membership fees.

Actually, I know that people who insist on having access everywhere has ruined my enjoyment of Second Life...

It stops me from enjoying some private time with friends, it means I have no way to stop people spying on me, or disturbing me, while I'm creating, it means I'm lumped in with a very large group that is suffering from intolerance (which is one heck of a no-no, according to CS and ToS) simply because I want to keep people out of a 30M radius at 300M.


Isn't it funny how some people don't even realise what they're doing in their quest to have the right to go where they want, when they want?

Intolerance... You're breaching CS and ToS with this post.

Be careful...Then do something about the ones that are so badly written that they do that... instead of those that are well written and warn you.[/quote]With pvp gone now you have an unlimited license to grief.[/quote]Are you accusing me of griefing? Be very careful, as you are again breaching CS and ToS.So, only those who want to have unrestricted access to everywhere are good people? Thank you for your THIRD breach of CS and ToS in one post...
Did you? And if I can show that you never said anything about programs like mine?

That's a direct quote hon... it's very clear the you are speaking about MY security script, not scripts like mine.


Now, before you repeat your very intolerant demands, may I just point out something that you agreed to before you even started playing SL...

Kindly cease and desist your attempts to marginalize people who use security scripts to keep their private residence private, or enjoy being reported for CS and ToS violations.

Or you can carry on with your rude, spiteful, intolerant rants... no skin off my nose.

Tried a flight across the north continent this morning... just me, no vehicles of any kind...

Flying at 100M I ran into the grand total of ZERO security scripts, and that was despite me flying over a lot of major built-up areas.


That is a common occurance for me... I often just fly around for the fun of it, and notice that the numbers of scripts I find has gone down considerably in the last few months. The fact that they're being used mainly in skyboxes 300M+ in height now means you're obviously flying at a height where you KNOW they will be.

From your posts, you seem to want full, unrestricted access to all heights in SL, no matter how much trouble you put others to... which seems rather rude and selfish, doesn't it?

You are lumping me into the same. I only want to know where it is safe to fly and where it is not so can avoid it. I hate having to TP everwhere and jerks have driven me off the mainland. I dont want unlimited access just a limited access to travel freely from one place to another without the risk of security orbs. Even the Americans had flight corridors into Berlin from the west through Soviet airspace! I dont know where you see unlimited access in my messages and stop threating me as that is against the TOS.