CUSTOMER INPUT:: What Features Do You Want In Your Complete Parcel Security System?

This is the kind of attitude that is sadly all to prevalent throughout SL.

"I'll do what I like, and I don't care who is affected by it".

Funnily enough, exactly the mindset of the self replicating flexidong gridcrasher.

Lewis

Even griefers?


Good for you, Lewis, but some of us are trying to run clubs and stores and the invasion of these idiots is costing time and money. Do whatever YOU want, but why do you feel the need to hijack Burke's thread with this self-righteousness?

Welcome back!

Well, we're not combatting landowners being general pricks. (cause they'd be like declaring war on terrorism, it doesn't work) It's your land, and as long as you're not trying to unfairly snuff out an innocent neighbor with harassment or ban lines, it's not really a problem. It's your land, and your right to be an asshole to pedestrians flying by.

So your store has a universial no warning eject home security orb, ah dosnt that tp home your customers? I dont think anyone has a problem with a program that tp home known griefers. What is your objection about his position other than "thread hijack"?

Oh, as a general pratice I ban anyone in near my land that has the white list used. That is I ban the land owner and the entire white list! giggle * laugh * even more giggle!

I am running a store and a club - plus one other business and a recreation area - rather than "trying" to - and I haven't noticed any loss of time or money.

As I explained, I give everyone a chance. If someone acts like an ass, and I feel they deserve to be banned, then I shall use the in-game tools to ban them as necessary.

It's no hijacking with any attitude of any description - merely stating my position that I treat all equally; after all whatever your account creation date, your L$ in my pocket is as good as anyone else's.

There's no reason why I shouldn't share my views - that security systems are griefing - any more than you shouldn't share yours.

Why not petition LL to correct the problem they have created, rather than tarring all newbies with the "griefer" brush, wasting your money on unnecessary security, and discriminating simply based on account age with no other reason?

Lewis

Good for you. Not everyone else shares your experience.


What happens if, like the club I manage, your ban list filled up 2 weeks ago? The in-game tools are inadequate and it's liable to take LL months to catch up with the damage they've already done by opening up registration, if they ever do. Meanwhile, entrepeneurs like Burke have an opportunity. I would bet he's going to make a nice sum of cash filling a definite need.


The subject of this thread was the ability to eject people who have already been banned. You and Ranma want to make it about abusing the poor innocent fliers and explorers. It has NOTHING to do with them and everything to do with the flood of twits who are destroying the SL atmosphere.


How's all that straw taste from your strawman? All newbies are NOT griefers and nobody's claimed they were. But if they drop c4 in a crowd of people (which probably includes newbies who just want to explore SL - the folks you're defending) or litter a parcel with junk or orbit 6 or 8 people at a time, there's no reason to give them a second chance. They deserve to be ejected from the land regardless of account age -- actually they deserve to be TP'd home so it takes longer for them to find their way back.

Your response is a good example of why I said you hijacked this thread. It's not about newbies and it's not about your idealistic, unrealistic view of an open SL. It's about club/store owners protecting their own customers from the griefer trash.

Thank you Cindy. I wish we were allowed to carry guns on these threads to fight the hijackers.

Have you ever considered the possibility that you are creating your own problem? Because people can come back with a new account within 5 minutes, if you piss someone off they'll most likely be back for revenge, and its an ongoing cycle that you are fuelling.

I don't think of an "open SL" as being unrealistic whatsoever. After all, isn't the point of an online game over an offline one being that you can actually interact with real people from around the world? The reason many of us are here? I think for once this openness is a place where Linden Lab's vision for their game is actually in tune with mine.

Lewis

What was the question again?.......oh yeah...

I want to be able to freeze them and have a device that keeps freezing them so they can't even log off, then have them teleported to a cell on the land similar to a septic tank build.

I want to be able to dunk them up and down and at the same time take snap shots for a wall of shame.

Can you build that for me Burke??

This is why Burke's solution is a neat one. They do this anyway in some places, and knowing the ban list in the land tools can only accomodate 50 names enables this. In a really busy club, for example, this list is rapidly filled. Burke is working on a solution to this problem. This is designed to deal with griefers, once identified. No one else. I can't see why that is a problem, it's like LL giving us more space on the ban list.

If you spray a cat with a water bottle enough times it'll eventually get the idea and stay off the kitchen counter. People will keep coming back, and we'll just have to keep swatting them down. But the built-in tools aren't going to cut it, but hopefully a fast-response system will.

I can put a cage round them, but one that can move 'them' would be tricky if they had even the slightest sense. Is wish we had a llFreezeAgent function. but the best we have it llTeleportAgentHome

You should see my chat logs - just ejecting/banning with current land tools already pisses them off (tough). Furthermore, why should their reaction stop us from doing what we can to protect our businesses? We don't want to do anything just because it might piss off some people who don't care about our business in the first place? That's what I call a limp-wristed solution.


If that's their vision, they've sure done everything they can to shoot themselves in the foot. The antagonistic, paranoid fortress mentality we're seeing from so many business operators now is a direct result of LL's changing the registration policies without first giving us tools to handle the fallout. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

You are confusing me with these messages. What makes your program better than Pyskes? Also what does the age of the avatar have to do with it? I am getting consused between the land controls and your program. Please tell me more.........

Id like a security orb that made their avatars into Hello Kitty.
or Barney

I'm not saying it'd be better than Psykes. I'm just asking for what you'd want in a system for dealing with parcel security to deal with this avalanche of asshat greifalts.

I would like a system that works with the land tools. In that way I would not have to update each one separately. If I freeze and ban a griefer he would be put on my security’s orbs list without an action on my part..

Well. The land tools still suck, sadly. I can add them tothe landban list, but sadly that doesn't to much when it takes less that three minutes to come straight back as an alt.

I mean if I use the land tools to freeze and eject the security program will be updated to include this person on the ban list (security program) without a manual entry on my part.

There's not yet a way to detect if someone has been frozen, and I'd need to check again for it reading a banlist

I don't think feeling ill that others are on my land (virtual or not) is equal to 'Ill do what I like and don't care who is affected by it.'

Funnily enough, your attitude of 'if you have to hide it, you shouldn't be doing it' is CLOSER to that opinion than my own feelings.

Until I can whitelist ban around my skybox I will continue to use my security orb. Since I pay for the land, you have NO say as to what I do there, or what I use. You have failed to demonize the feeling I get when others go on my land, try again.

And your right to be an asshole to innocent landowners wanting to keep people away from their skyboxes. Won't combat that either.

Sweet! Well. Skyboxes are understandable, it's the stuff on the ground that's annoying.

Since I don't live at ground level, there is no ban there. I need to see if my friend left his greedy table there, been offline for about a week.