how to be an unprincipled wanker and pretend you have principles

The "official" word from on high has come down regarding the polution of the world with the "Impeach Some Political Person" signs of grief.Well, strictly speaking, I guess there is a principle there but it is rather like "if someone wants to pollute every view and is willing to pay us for the privilege, we won't stop him".

If I can summon the initiative, I'll be making a few hideous signs for general use so that we can ensure that no view is free of garish signage; that should improve the experience for all. Details will follow here if I can surmount my loathing on the subject.

Typical bullshit LL answer.

If I owned land on the mainland, I'd put up signs about how much LL sucks when it comes to dealing with the least bit of controversy.

Perhaps we should all do this. I have to say I'm getting seriously tempted to rip down my builds and replace them all with 500m tall pink glowing cubes.

It's funny, I was thinking about the same thing. I am in a mature sim, so if I am understanding this correctly I can make a 10m x 10m wide pornographic rotating sign that overhangs into my neighbor's parcel... This will be an interesting weekend.

Yeah, welcome to precedence.

If you tell someone else what they can put on the land they're paying for, then they get to tell YOU what you should put on YOUR land.

Tit for tat.

I don't really see the problem here, honestly.

*blinks and puts on sunglasses* Wow... that would be an interesting view! Can you put some between my land and some of those annoying blue signs? j/k

All except the 'that overhangs into my neighbor's parcel...' bit Logan - that WOULD be a TOS violation.

PS, glad you don'r hold land near me!

I've made two full-permission, free to copy signs. Use the sign, use the textures, abuse the textures. They weren't as obnoxious as I could make them but I was rushing.

You can find the objects on display and free to copy at Crooked (43, 71).

You wanna read some REAL bullshit check out Hamlet's New World Notes on the issue.

It would? I thought I most of the "Impeach Bush" guy's signs were overhanging anyways, a 16x16 is pretty small surface-area-wise.




Heh, well, as usual I'm not serious about this. I spend my time downloading porn, not uploading it back into sl. ;P

Actually, I was glad to read this and see that I'm wrong about the overhanging-into-other-parcels issue...

You can not put pornographic material in the open even on mature sims. So you will have to build some kind of casing around your rotating porn sign so that it is not openly visible.

And "overhangs into my neighboor" parcel is no-no if I understand correctly what you mean.

Go ahead.

Personnally, I find the impeach bush signs visually attractive, I wish I had land to be graced by their presence near my house.

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This won't work because Mister Impeacher uses his properties as investments, not social or living quarters.

I imagine that he couldn't care less is we all post offending signs around The Grid All Hail The Central Grid. There's obviously no concern for the aesthetics of view in his playbook.

If you do this, his reaction will likely be to call his griefer minded buddies over to see what he hath wrought on the poor sheep of Second Life.

Where land is concerned, I've found that the most effective tool is patience. This venture can't possibly be profitable in a civilized society. He'll start losing money, or just get bored, and go away. Your few weeks, or very few months, of simple patience will pay off in the end.

Well, lazarus divine (owner of these parcels) still isn't showing up in the People tab.

This in a way reminds me of the what LLabs said about Neg Rate Attacks. Its a persons right to do so................

hehe quite right, this is what stops me from falling prey to my temptation to rip down my builds and put up 500m glowing pink towers

I guess I must have imagined your year long crusade against billboards.

Lauk, your nest rocks, if your ever tear it down I will trap you inside of a torus. KTHNXBAI

The point is simply this -- LL has no interest or insight on the question of making people feel like investing in land is a good idea, can be a protected asset, or that community standards are or should be more than vague 'rules' with even more dubious enforcement.

A pity, as it handily undercuts most interest in land investment outside of sinking dollars into sim purchase and let's face it, most people coming to SL aren't willing to spend $200+ per month for that.

If ever LL wakes up to the reality that zoning and some form of authoritative enforcement is a good thing it would strenghten all areas including interest and longevity.

I have never seen a company as good at shooting itself in the foot as this one. Truly.

That doesn't apply here. There is no purpose to the cubes other than to affect the land owned by others.

If he could actually show that people would visit his land in order to view the cubes, and thus that they had a purpose in being on his land, then that would be fine (and would apply to pretty much every other legit structure in SL). But he couldn't do that.

At the moment, this guy IS telling others what they should put on THEIR land - he's telling them they have to have a view of his cubes. As you've said, landowners should get to decide what's on the land they're paying for without it being affected by other people.

Well, its' weird. Lazarus Divine is not showing up in the find list.

LL could be talking out of both sides of their mouth. yes, it's OK but oh btw he's been banned.

I sometimes get the sense this is how LL deals with things. Maybe it's because of Ginsu. Who knows.

I found the Hamlet interview interesting, though he appears to have gone easy on the man.

If I deconstruct LD's stance at face value (that this is solely a political message), I would like to know what the signs are supposed to do. Is he exhorting us to think as he claims? I don't think this serves much purpose if he really is losing money. Maybe he should bother to check out the forums and get a feel for people's opinions on Bush - his efforts may best be served in some other venue as it seems he may be "preaching to the choir". If it's important to him, maybe he should spend time talking with people about it.

Secondly, what would he have us do? I need some direction as to how he would like me to "Impeach Bush!". A serious political message needs a call to action of some sort - does he want me to write Obama? Does he want me to picket the White House? Is he galvanizing for a mass protest of some sort? Should I donate to the "Impeach Bush" fund somewhere?

I had a RL politician that meshed with my political views put up a huge banner near my home during the election period. Never took it down. Was tattered and blowing in the wind a year later (up on a train overpass so difficult for anyone to get to and remove). I know the person didn't put it there themselves, but it sent me a message. I get the same message here - it's all a bunch of bullshit - these people have their own agendas and the best interest of the populace isn't on the list.

Well I think that *most* of the time LL doesn't give "bullshit" answers, and mostly they do the right thing, but this time they are clearly in the wrong.

What they need is a "Lawyer Linden" because any lawyer should tell them that although a single instance of such signs is within the TOS the overall pattern of behaviour here is clearly "criminal" in the sense of violating the TOS.

Robin is just wrong.

There is a ton of stuff in the TOS about respecting your neighbors and a ton of precedent in "law" (previous LL decisions), regarding this kind of behaviour. The overall intent is clearly harrassment, the person in question has made statements to that effect to some people according to what I have heard.

This person violates the TOS by purposely engaging in a pattern of behaviour intended to harrass his neighbors and extort money from them. It's clear as water that this is the case and anyone wanting to investigate and gather testimony from the people he harrassed would likely find it to be true.

It's not against the TOS to hold a gun and point it at another avatar, but if I engage in a pattern of behaviour that invloves following someone around and pointing said gun at them 24/7, that *is* harrassment.

This guy has discovered the obvious, which is that through persistence and omnipresence you can grief people with actions that by themselves are not violations of the TOS. Very clever for him, and very spineless of LL to give in.

They are completely wrong on this one in my view.