Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Jack, Pretty please can you answer this...

It's nice that you are letting people convert 4 O/S to a full prim sim for no charge.. but MANY OF US (like ME!) have 3 O/S and need another... Yes, I can pay you guys 250 for the SETUP FEE for a sim I will not use just to convert it to a full prim sim.

A lot of people will NOT want to keep their O/S but with the 100 BUCKOS transfer fee, it makes them hard to sell 1 or 2.

So my suggestion, to show how CARING you guys really are, since you are waiving the Xfer fee till Jan 9th, how about if you WAIVE the Transfer fee for 1-2 O/S. This way the people who want to abandon can get SOME of their money back. Those of us who feel we have to upgrade can not spend the 250 (which was a setup fee, now NO LONGER NEEDED since there is NO SIM being setup!!!) and instead, we can purchase an O/S from someone who wants to get out at perhaps 100-200 bucks

Good Idea, EH???

Bruce
aka. GWAMPA LOMU

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Open Space : $75, 750 prims, 10 avatars

Open Space History :-
1/8 of the prim from a full region. (Originally)
1/4 of the prim from a full region. (Currently)
1/20th of the prims from a full region (Proposed way to kill off product)

This is a REDUCTION in value for money. The 750 prims is even LOWER than the original Open Space region limit of 1875!!!

It is totaly unreasonable to lower the value for money of a product that is being used correctly in order to "punish" those who are abusing the product.

Why can't we have the same prims in open-space as we did before you doubled the prim count earlier this year?

For comparison, a mainland parcel of only 2,048m cost $15 and has almost the same number of prims as the proposed open space region that is $75! Where is the value?

In my opinion you have missed the point:- People using the open space regions correctly under the original limits are objecting to a forced price rise or service reduction to accomodate the people who have exploited them.

You are punishing the customers who did the right thing!


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I am only using 860 prims which are mostly phantom in my open space. I will not delete one single prim or pay one cent more in tier. If this bad change is rammed down my throught I will abandon (not sell) $50(teir) worth of mainland space. Thus preventing LL from collecting any tier at all on the abandoned parcel, and keeping my monthly fees the same. I will not help you profit from unfair business practices.

Darling Brody

Here is the web addy for Blue Moon...

http://www.avatar-reality.com/

And this is what they say and it's too early to say what they wont allow. There is something in their blurb about importing content...


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For those individuals using the OS sims as their personal residences, you now have until the summer before the entire price increase goes into effect. There is a smaller increase that goes into effect as of the 1st of the year with the balance halfway through.

Same prims but there is to be a limit on the number of prims and quite possibly the number of scripts running on your personal property. Which may or may not have the intended effect upon the lag problem which many OS owners have not ever encountered.

Additionally the sims which are being used for forest, water and other non populated, unvisited void type places, will remain at the same pricing but will have a substantial drop in the number of prims allowed. So all of those lovely sims with the lush landscaping will have to either be redone or turned in. For those that are used for sailing purposes, it makes me wonder if that will even be viable under the new allowance.

When you get down to it those that are using the OS as intended are getting shortchanged by the extreme reduction in prim count - especially considering they are not getting a price break as well!

For the private residential homeowners a new product is sliding in to fill that niche which quite obviously reflects the majority of the OS sims that are in use. This product maintains the prim count but introduces restrictions on the use of them. Plus it reflects the SAME INCREASE originally declared by Linden Labs!! Although quite nicely they are breaking it down into smaller chunks so everyone does not throw up at once on them.

When you break it all down everyone is getting screwed on this new and improved plan from Linden Labs. True OS owners you get to keep paying the same tiers for a bit under 1/20 the prim count that is currently in place - WHAT A DEAL! For the private residential owners you get to begin paying them $20 more in January and another $30 more in July (total of $50 increase within 6 months) for the same prim count!! In both instances, these properties cannot be resold by an owner who is not the payor making them virutally useless should an owner decide to move on...

Sorry to be so stubborn, but these are the things that everyone was up in arms about to begin with and they have not changed! Linden Labs is a company that is actively engaged in killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. They may do it but it will not be at my expense this time.

Not just you...
He is doing that.


I think like pretending they care cause really, i wasen't so angry last week when they first wrote the notice in blog cause i saw all this feedback and they came with a name change.

You have done a great job today, the new sim structure is exactly what many of us had wanted clearly layed out and many of the things we had asked for were included, it was definately worth the wait, despite what some may say, you gave us a very straight forward business plan to work with and pretty clear guidelines. I appreciate you updating us in your previous post that you would have the script limits sometime before January and that it would be done with advance notice so we can have time to help all our customers bring their script usage into line.
Thanks!

Please answer the refund question, Thank you

We need a solid planing basis now and not in 2 month. That is as you would sell a car without telling how many people could sit into it.

Also in your new knowledge base entry about OS seems to be an error:

You write:

"Homestead regions are for quiet residential or light commercial use. They are not intended for events, malls, or other high-impact uses. When new changes go into place, they will support 3750 prims and 20 avatars, and will likely also have script limits."

In the table below it says:
"Homestead : Events: YES"

So events in homesteads YES or NO ???

It's in the terms of service and licenses, yes.
The one they are *not* violating with this price increase. They may be stupid or shortsighted to not have been able to predict the results of loosening the restrictions on OpenSpace sims, but they explicitly said that they may change the price at any time, and they haven't changed that. If you didn't read the TOS and didn't understand that they reserved the right to do what they did here, I'm sorry.
No, they can do what they legally can do. They can change their TOS, but they can't do so retroactively, and they can't do it without notification.

gave us a very straight forward business plan to work with? how can i do that if i dont know how many scripts are allowed????

If these open spaces were such a big mistake then you should roll back prior to your changes in March and refund everyone's money who "purchased" after you doubled the prims while also allowing them to be placed standalone on the grid.

It seems that everyone was happier with the open space product prior to the March changes with 1875 prim limits and $75 tier per month.

I want my money back Jack. I believe this was a "bait and switch". Can anyone smell a class action lawsuit in the works? That certainly won't look good to prospective customers (er, residents or fleas on your precious grid) now would it?

Yes Please answer that if affects those of us wth less than 4 OSS who cannot afford to buy 3 more.

I would evne entertain a partial refund/credit

Blue Moon should be Blue Mars.

*huffs!*

Not only is this policy wrong and will do harm to SL .... but your asking us to agree a policy thats not fully set out yet ... Ref cript limits .

Thats like me going to buy a brand new BMW and the guy saying " Yupp ! ...Shes an awesome machine ...looks great .... But cant tell you what size the engine will be untill you agree to buy it ! "

Jack....please stop this nonsence

Whoever is pulling the strings here needs to be brought to account .... I don't know how many ways i can keep saying this without swearing to get my / and others here point across ... Your dropping the ball .

I swear to god i will call Fox News and give them a " And Finally " story about " You think real life econemy is in a spin ..... Even vurtual 3D worlds are on the brink of colapse "

You Know they love that kind of crap .

Joined 18th Feb 2006

Premium member not too long after

Poured loads of money through this place cos I wanted to see something so enterprising succeed

Lost loads of money on inventory crashes and the like

Was once on a friendly and personal basis with Lindens and asked to apply to Mentor

Did that

Abandoned that, and despaired at the Customer Service offered

Still said (on the official blog) I am willing to be won back over

Got something over, and it wasn't so pleasant - but not in a million squillion years as bad as some people because at least I am only renting my Openspace. I feel for my landlady.

Got sick of caring

Just went basic account

Meh

This is not my world or my imagination. I'm afraid I wouldn't have imagined this if I'd eaten an entire Cheddar before I went to bed and had nightmares all night.

Land value on mainland 2.3.

Yeah right. Have fun!

They don't have the answer on that yet, but it is not hard to guess about where your scripts need to be at in order for things to run smoothly on an Openspace sim (which would also be probably close to what the end limits would come to) 3ms to 5ms script time = almost 0 lag 16ms script time = you can't move, so my guess is somewhere in the under 10ms script time

Pay more for less. That dosent make good sense. My estate owner has lost many customers already from people leaving the OS sims they lived on, So Im sure hes not gonna keep the one Im on now. Ive looked around mainland but OMG 5.5 million L for a half sim, I dont think so. People will be forced to move to smaller pieces of land. Which means they buy less stuff because there will be nowhere to put it. Which means that the people that sell house's and trees and plants and furniture and boats and cars and all that fun stuff will have to raise there prices to cover for the declining sales. This is a sad day for SL.
For those of you that say this dosent affect you, just wait because it will. Prices of the content will go up. Stores and shops will go under. So next time you go look for that new skin or your house shopping and the prices have gone up you can blame it on this whole OS thing.
As for me Ill come on and visit what friends are left, I will not spend anymore linden on any content, no tips, nothing from me. The dream is coming to an end in a (game) that helps you get thru the hard times in RL. IMO

Thanks for your faith and confidence. WRONG. We rented an OpenSpace sim to provide a beautiful park for all to enjoy, at a price we can afford because we're not gung-ho shopkeepers or bijou-project rich brats, but ordinary people. It's not a matter of getting our way, our island (Mokoia) is a little work of art, hard work at that, and it's for the chop.



How can it be acceptable although less than equitable? You are talking scribble.



No it won't because the prim limit is too low - see several posts from sailors. Your post is offensive, ignorant and useless. Please stay a lurker until you have something to spout that comes from experience.

5.5ms script time max per homested. 5.5 x 4 = 22.0 ms max a full sim can go before lagging.

Second life seemed to be a haven in the virtual universe.. a place where the residents can create their own lives and their own rules and where you are not all the time to get onto the next level or compete to others, unless you would like that.
So I started to create this with some friends, first on one full sim, later on I added 3 open spaces so we could have more place for little gardens and small houses and stuff....

My vision changes though....

1. Now I am threatened because 3 open spaces costing in total 150 USD more a month (to which I have to ad 19% VAT). That may seem a small amount of money to a CEO but it is not for someone who has a more or less "normal" salary.

2. And still no way what exactly is LIGHT use. less than 3750 prims? Well it is not possible to put any more on an open space. Less than 10 avatars? I guess there aren't more at any given moment but then I'm not 24/24 in sl of course (the money to pay tiers has to come from somewhere, I have a rl job for that). How many scripts running, or causing how much lag?
As there is not any clue given, I will have to ask the concierge and then he or she will decide, without me being able to have any influence

3. So sl seems to have become an economical universe, not run by really listening to its residents but by trial and error decisions (this way of using open space sims could be foreseen by ANY marketing professional).

Pffff it really gives me a bad feeling now, and I may have to give up my open space sims cause of the cost... to the happy surprise of LL that can have my 750 usd investment back (no way to sell open spaces for anything resembling the investment now so why face the trouble with the risk of having neighbours i dont want....).
Tell me if I'm wrong but this feels as a rip off even if it is not intended that way...

I doubt I am the only one thinking 11 posts and rahrahrah ...

What getting less is better and still the price increase? I'm glad we got rid of our ocean OS sim as i would not want to pay the same price for less.

has anyone actually considered the point that increasing the price wont make the abusers stop..it will just reduce their profits....while the rest of the world pays.

Its like making hand guns illegal..... only the law abiding abide by the law. Increase the price, the community at large suffers for no good reason, while the heathens continue to rock the world (earthquake just now in so cal while typing this).

Tell us how you expect this tier increase to GUARANTEE my totally primless and scriptless full water sim wont be placed on a server with 2 openspaces that are running a dance club and a mall? Tel me where MY value is in that extra $50 a month tier? Tell me where ANY steps are being made to directly target the so called abusers...TARGET being a very specific strategic thing....and not just rip money off the majority.

46% of all land in SL is open space regions..need a 30% increase in bottom line because of the recessions huh?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you for making me laugh, I sure needed it

Ah, thanks. That's exactly what I read that lead me to believe no user created content. It talks about us being able to buy objects and put them in our homes, nothing about creating them. And the call for partners is what confirmed it for me. Users aren't partners.

Of course, I'll keep an eye on it in case it actually does become a user created content world, but it doesn't look like it so far. Haven't read the ToS yet, though.

Firelight