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Destiny Niles

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05-29-2007 12:29

Can now be downloaded

http://www.secondlife.com/community/firstlook.php

Gearsawe Stonecutter

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05-29-2007 13:35

Yeppy! dang, don't you hate when your title does not match the title in your post?

Haravikk Mistral

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05-29-2007 13:48

"this means that your graphics card should have DirectX shader model 2 or later support" (Second Life Blog)

Does this mean it won't work on Macs and Linux, or is it using OpenGL, if so, why not an OpenGL requirement? Last I checked Direct X doesn't work on Mac or Linux =S

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05-29-2007 14:08

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Release Notes for WindLight First Look 1.16.0(62469) May 29, 2007
==================================================
Featuring brand-new atmospheric rendering for beautiful skies and immersive environments!

WindLight Features:

* Select Sky Settings from the World menu and use the Region/Estate Sky Settings dialog to:
** Edit horizon, haze colors and densities
** Edit sun, size, lighting colors and intensity
** Edit cloud color, scale, density, and speed
** Load, save, and delete skies

* Use the Day Cycle Editor to:
** Set keyframes for different hours of the day
** Interpolate between keyframes as the day progresses
** Move time of day slider to see what the sky looks like at any time of day
** Set the length of a day
* For more information, see: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/WindLight

Known Issues:
* Sky appearance may not match region sun phase
* Some Sky Settings text appears cut off at different UI sizes
* Saving and deleting presets are inelegant
* Presets are not sorted correctly in dropdown menu
* Reselecting a preset doesn't reset unsaved changes
* Sky Settings shortcut doesn't toggle window
* Bump mapping and shiny don't work on some Macs with lower-end graphics cards
* Avatars shouldn't be able to fly outside of skydome
* Underwater appears too light
* 'Mouse Moves Sun' doesn't work
* A gap in the horizon between the water and sky may some times be visible
** To make the gap disappear, enable the Client menu (Ctrl-Alt-D), then select Rendering > Types > Ground
** Alternatively, use the keyboard shortcut: Ctrl-Alt-Shift-8

PLEASE NOTE:
* Everything you do with the First Look viewer affects your Second Life account!
** First Look Viewers are test versions of the Second Life viewer
** These test viewers connect to the live grid
* These viewers allow you to test new features in your everyday Second Life
** Please be aware that things might be buggier than normal
* First Look Viewer is in sync with the normal viewer
** When updates to the normal viewer are released, we will update the First Look downloads
** The auto-update process will not work

Anyone have any opinions yet?

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05-29-2007 14:09

i dunno, i can't seem to login with it now

*edit: oh wow, i got in and this is sexy!

**edit: REALLY sexy! like a whole different place xD water looks a lil odd though

Stylez Gomez

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05-29-2007 14:17

Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop.

I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista.

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05-29-2007 14:40

I lost the ability to move at all, could teleport, sit, but not fly or walk, was told to restart, now it's time to go back to work.

The horizon problem that has bugged me so much for so long appears to be basically eliminated.

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Stylez Gomez

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05-29-2007 15:21

I'm in XP at the moment and everything is working as should be expected. Is there anyone who has gotten this to work with Vista?

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Yuriko Nishi

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05-29-2007 15:23

ok i have testet it a bit:
looks great!
but the performance (fps) goes down pretty much…
in the actual version i had all graphics settings enabled (vertex shaders ect… and all sliders maxed) and had 30-32 fps in my test scene.

in the firstlook viewer i had with the same settings pretty stable 22 fps…
thats a big hit and the test scene was pretty simple with few objects.
when i switched off the vertex shader it ran with 27 fps and looked worse than the actual viewer without windlight (no sky at all).

so please work on the performance issues LL! for me an update would mean worse performance and worse look. a big downgrade. and i think many residents have less powerfull computers than me.

cpu athlon @ 2 gig
ati x1600 pro 256mb
1 gig ram
win xp

nand Nerd

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05-29-2007 15:38

Playing with it for 20mins and love it, not sure I'd have it on all the time though as it seems to bleach the colours of objects/ground/avatars... everything to the sky/sun colour, course that's what happens in RL too but when you're inside it shouldn't be as dominant. All that aside it looks mighty powerful, loads of options to tweak, presets are fun to flick through and being able to slide the sun through a complete day is like watching one of those movies of the sky sped up. No issues with slow down here, everything was still smooth, even had ripple water on.
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05-29-2007 15:57

only problem i'm seeing, like others are saying, the washed out look...the lighting from the sky affects in world avs and objects so strongly that it overpowers most local lightsources. it's hard for me to light a room with a light prim now...just won't get bright enough

Rik Zwiers

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Colour problems

05-29-2007 16:10

I've noticed a washed out look with colours as well .. and subdued artificial lighting. Worst of all for me is that the clouds that were at around 200 m are gone up to the heavens - I used to use them to add atmosphere when filming movie clips.
Even if there are more interesting control settings; surely it's the appearance of the sky etc when using default settings that matter most .. otherwise we don't know what each of us is seeing (differences in computer performance make this a bad enough problem as it is).
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AGEIA Physx PCI card
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Farallon Greyskin

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05-29-2007 16:14

Yeah I poseted this in the blog. Extreme lighting like fog and night and sunsets look nice but bright daylight is very washed out, bleached is a great word for it, lots of color change too. There seems to be no real subtly.

I adjusted a setting to mimic the noon lighting of the old SL somewhat but it's still not as good looking :/

I hope there is something they can do abotu that because ones the flash and glitz wear off I think most people are going to be pretty annoyed with the terrible things done to their hard contruction work in world :/

Eyana Yohkoh

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05-29-2007 16:16

The washed out colors are more than annoying. My hair ended up looking like a lump of clay atop my head (under most of the preset light settings).

Local lights are so overpowered by the new sky lighting that the brightest light setting is barely noticeable.

Darker sky settings reveal that avatar eyes are uneffected by the light effects, so basically they're full bright or glow-in-the-dark eyes.

Rik Zwiers

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Agree

05-29-2007 16:19

I can't agree more about how annoying this can be .. and hopefully they will sort it out. I just spent some time (and $L) uploading quality textures for an art gallery, and they look far less impressive in the new viewer.

Fox Hwasung

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05-29-2007 16:34

From: Stylez Gomez

Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop.

I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista.

Can only second that, but i have these issues under Windows XP also under Linux.

Rik Zwiers

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My mistake

05-29-2007 17:03

I take it (mostly) back .. have just tried some more of the sky settings and it CAN look superb. Texture colours are still poor, but as a friend pointed out to me; as it's only the first look viewer eventual defaults should be better.
Lighting tip; in sky settings try reducing Gamma to around 0.75

Yuriko Nishi

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05-29-2007 17:22

btw i allready mentioned i have poor performance, but i LOOOOVE the new shiny look. way softer and more realistic. when i first read about the windlight thingy i thought it was only about the sky system, but it´s a whole new rendering system

anyway you guys need to improve the performance, i could live with it when i had bad performance with windlight enabled (cry cry cry it looks soo god, but runs soooo bad)
but performance also goes down with vertex shaders disabled (compared to the actual version)

Dytska Vieria

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05-29-2007 17:59

Very nice, but there are certainly some issues with elevation and ocean/sky appearance. At 600m and login, below the horizon is what I can only think of as a Bowl of Ocean - rippled water included and animated. Above the horizon, Timescape Clouds, probably travelling over 200km / hour!

Teleporting down to 300m, still have the Bowl of Ocean, but clouds are normal. It took almost 5 seconds to hear the Teleport Sound!

Skydiving from 300m, the Bowl of Ocean became flat, so I flew back up, and the Bowl Of Ocean affect came back!

My framerates about the same as regular client. 10-25 on the ground, 35 @ 300m, 45 @ 600m, depending on what is happening.

camilla Yosuke

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05-29-2007 18:14

oops, I should have posted it here...

Hi,

I just tried the new skies and lighting, and I have to say its absolutely amazing.

I see a big issue with it, though.

The sky settings allow you to change scene gamma with a slider, which is a nice feature.
But, to obtain a nice sky renderings, you have to use high gamma values, and I guess this is why most of the preset settings use 2 as a gamma value.

This is good for skies, but very bad for every picture, texture, clothing, hair, skin, well everything built or 'alive' is now burnt by the light.

I see two solutions: either dissociate sky and mesh gammas, so that we have good sky and nice texturing, or ... I redo all my textures darker...

Maybe I missed something, if so please do tell, I'm owning a buisness, and visual quality is really important. Well even if you just want to have a walk , and see nice skies but everything is too bright under it, I think its a major drawback.

Another little thing, to me it turns down all local lights, ecxepted worn ones.

Wrom Morrison

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05-29-2007 18:16

From: Stylez Gomez

Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop.

I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista.

Same issue on same card. (Works ok on my ATI though -- haven't tested much)

This is on XP Pro

Sky seems to fade from black to daylight to black, regardless of where the sun is (keeps doing it).

Have not seen a single cloud? Where are my clouds?!

Driver used : 158.27 WHQL
3D Settings : Tried default and quality

From: Stylez Gomez

I'm in XP at the moment and everything is working as should be expected. Is there anyone who has gotten this to work with Vista?

It might be my driver is too new, I'll change back to something older and see if it works. But this driver gives good preformance on everything else.

What driver are you using on XP Pro?

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05-29-2007 18:37

From: Stylez Gomez

Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop.

I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista.

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Stylez Gomez

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05-29-2007 18:43

From: Wrom Morrison

What driver are you using on XP Pro?

I think I'm using the 93.71 drivers on XP and 158.18 on Vista. I haven't tried changing drivers yet, but I may try that now.

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Wrom Morrison

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05-29-2007 18:48

From: Stylez Gomez

I think I'm using the 93.71 drivers on XP and 158.18 on Vista. I haven't tried changing drivers yet, but I may try that now.

I just installed 93.71. Clouds are working now ! But the sad part is this is a 7 month old driver. It doesn't work with the newer drivers (even the driver Nvidia put out earlier this month and then removed (due to a bug in new control panel not showing).

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05-29-2007 19:16

Well, at least now I know which version of SL will force me to do a complete hardware replacement to continue to enjoy SL. Once Windlight becomes part of the standard mandatory viewer, I'm going to have to trash my entire computer and replace it, if I want to see skies that look decent.

Windlight completely RUINS the sky on my Mac Mini.

No clouds. It's like being in Death Valley in a drout.

None of the atmospheric effects work.

The sun, when it nears the horizon, turns BLUE-GREEN.

Make any changes, and the sky becomes dead flat, monochrome, and the edges of each sim look like fake sky billboards on mega-prims, with not the least bit of transition between completely different colors of sky at each point of the compass. (Correction - This monochrome sky eventually did get replaced with a smooth gradient sky, several minutes after changing the sun position or switching sky presets. And not all of the sunsets and sunrises turn blue-green - just most of them.)

Guess I may as well become a vampire or a werewolf, because the daytime sky in SL will surely bring me nothing but pain and sorrow. The night sky is cloudless, but at least tolerable.

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Destiny Niles Registered User Join date: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 949	05-29-2007 12:29 Can now be downloaded http://www.secondlife.com/community/firstlook.php
Gearsawe Stonecutter Over there Join date: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 614	05-29-2007 13:35 Yeppy! dang, don't you hate when your title does not match the title in your post?
Haravikk Mistral Registered User Join date: 8 Oct 2005 Posts: 2,482	05-29-2007 13:48 "this means that your graphics card should have DirectX shader model 2 or later support" (Second Life Blog) Does this mean it won't work on Macs and Linux, or is it using OpenGL, if so, why not an OpenGL requirement? Last I checked Direct X doesn't work on Mac or Linux =S _____________________ Computer (Mac Pro): 2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon 10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS 4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped) NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	05-29-2007 14:08 From: someone Release Notes for WindLight First Look 1.16.0(62469) May 29, 2007 ================================================== Featuring brand-new atmospheric rendering for beautiful skies and immersive environments! WindLight Features: * Select Sky Settings from the World menu and use the Region/Estate Sky Settings dialog to: Edit horizon, haze colors and densities Edit sun, size, lighting colors and intensity Edit cloud color, scale, density, and speed Load, save, and delete skies * Use the Day Cycle Editor to: Set keyframes for different hours of the day Interpolate between keyframes as the day progresses Move time of day slider to see what the sky looks like at any time of day Set the length of a day * For more information, see: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/WindLight Known Issues: * Sky appearance may not match region sun phase * Some Sky Settings text appears cut off at different UI sizes * Saving and deleting presets are inelegant * Presets are not sorted correctly in dropdown menu * Reselecting a preset doesn't reset unsaved changes * Sky Settings shortcut doesn't toggle window * Bump mapping and shiny don't work on some Macs with lower-end graphics cards * Avatars shouldn't be able to fly outside of skydome * Underwater appears too light * 'Mouse Moves Sun' doesn't work * A gap in the horizon between the water and sky may some times be visible To make the gap disappear, enable the Client menu (Ctrl-Alt-D), then select Rendering > Types > Ground Alternatively, use the keyboard shortcut: Ctrl-Alt-Shift-8 PLEASE NOTE: * Everything you do with the First Look viewer affects your Second Life account! First Look Viewers are test versions of the Second Life viewer These test viewers connect to the live grid * These viewers allow you to test new features in your everyday Second Life ** Please be aware that things might be buggier than normal * First Look Viewer is in sync with the normal viewer When updates to the normal viewer are released, we will update the First Look downloads The auto-update process will not work Anyone have any opinions yet? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Fa nyak >(O.o)< Join date: 8 Oct 2004 Posts: 342	05-29-2007 14:09 i dunno, i can't seem to login with it now edit: oh wow, i got in and this is sexy! *edit: REALLY sexy! like a whole different place xD water looks a lil odd though
Stylez Gomez Union Micro Join date: 4 Jun 2004 Posts: 146	05-29-2007 14:17 Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop. I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista. _____________________ Union Micro Visit Us Website SL Exchange
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	05-29-2007 14:40 I lost the ability to move at all, could teleport, sit, but not fly or walk, was told to restart, now it's time to go back to work. The horizon problem that has bugged me so much for so long appears to be basically eliminated. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Stylez Gomez Union Micro Join date: 4 Jun 2004 Posts: 146	05-29-2007 15:21 I'm in XP at the moment and everything is working as should be expected. Is there anyone who has gotten this to work with Vista? _____________________ Union Micro Visit Us Website SL Exchange
Yuriko Nishi Registered User Join date: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 288	05-29-2007 15:23 ok i have testet it a bit: looks great! but the performance (fps) goes down pretty much… in the actual version i had all graphics settings enabled (vertex shaders ect… and all sliders maxed) and had 30-32 fps in my test scene. in the firstlook viewer i had with the same settings pretty stable 22 fps… thats a big hit and the test scene was pretty simple with few objects. when i switched off the vertex shader it ran with 27 fps and looked worse than the actual viewer without windlight (no sky at all). so please work on the performance issues LL! for me an update would mean worse performance and worse look. a big downgrade. and i think many residents have less powerfull computers than me. cpu athlon @ 2 gig ati x1600 pro 256mb 1 gig ram win xp
nand Nerd Flexi Fanatic Join date: 4 Oct 2005 Posts: 427	05-29-2007 15:38 Playing with it for 20mins and love it, not sure I'd have it on all the time though as it seems to bleach the colours of objects/ground/avatars... everything to the sky/sun colour, course that's what happens in RL too but when you're inside it shouldn't be as dominant. All that aside it looks mighty powerful, loads of options to tweak, presets are fun to flick through and being able to slide the sun through a complete day is like watching one of those movies of the sky sped up. No issues with slow down here, everything was still smooth, even had ripple water on. Spec: Win XP64, AMD 64 Athlon X2 2.4GHz, 4Gb RAM, 200Gb HD, GeForce 7600GT (running dual screen). SL in window mode at 1280x1024 resolution. _____________________ www.nandnerd.info http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum - Ordinal Malaprop's Scripting Forum
Fa nyak >(O.o)< Join date: 8 Oct 2004 Posts: 342	05-29-2007 15:57 only problem i'm seeing, like others are saying, the washed out look...the lighting from the sky affects in world avs and objects so strongly that it overpowers most local lightsources. it's hard for me to light a room with a light prim now...just won't get bright enough
Rik Zwiers Registered User Join date: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 23	Colour problems 05-29-2007 16:10 I've noticed a washed out look with colours as well .. and subdued artificial lighting. Worst of all for me is that the clouds that were at around 200 m are gone up to the heavens - I used to use them to add atmosphere when filming movie clips. Even if there are more interesting control settings; surely it's the appearance of the sky etc when using default settings that matter most .. otherwise we don't know what each of us is seeing (differences in computer performance make this a bad enough problem as it is). My system spec is: nvidea GeForce 8800 GTX AGEIA Physx PCI card 2 GB RAM
Farallon Greyskin Cranky Seal Join date: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 491	05-29-2007 16:14 Yeah I poseted this in the blog. Extreme lighting like fog and night and sunsets look nice but bright daylight is very washed out, bleached is a great word for it, lots of color change too. There seems to be no real subtly. I adjusted a setting to mimic the noon lighting of the old SL somewhat but it's still not as good looking :/ I hope there is something they can do abotu that because ones the flash and glitz wear off I think most people are going to be pretty annoyed with the terrible things done to their hard contruction work in world :/
Eyana Yohkoh Registered User Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 33	05-29-2007 16:16 The washed out colors are more than annoying. My hair ended up looking like a lump of clay atop my head (under most of the preset light settings). Local lights are so overpowered by the new sky lighting that the brightest light setting is barely noticeable. Darker sky settings reveal that avatar eyes are uneffected by the light effects, so basically they're full bright or glow-in-the-dark eyes.
Rik Zwiers Registered User Join date: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 23	Agree 05-29-2007 16:19 I can't agree more about how annoying this can be .. and hopefully they will sort it out. I just spent some time (and $L) uploading quality textures for an art gallery, and they look far less impressive in the new viewer.
Fox Hwasung Registered User Join date: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 7	05-29-2007 16:34 From: Stylez Gomez Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop. I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista. Can only second that, but i have these issues under Windows XP also under Linux.
Rik Zwiers Registered User Join date: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 23	My mistake 05-29-2007 17:03 I take it (mostly) back .. have just tried some more of the sky settings and it CAN look superb. Texture colours are still poor, but as a friend pointed out to me; as it's only the first look viewer eventual defaults should be better. Lighting tip; in sky settings try reducing Gamma to around 0.75
Yuriko Nishi Registered User Join date: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 288	05-29-2007 17:22 btw i allready mentioned i have poor performance, but i LOOOOVE the new shiny look. way softer and more realistic. when i first read about the windlight thingy i thought it was only about the sky system, but it´s a whole new rendering system anyway you guys need to improve the performance, i could live with it when i had bad performance with windlight enabled (cry cry cry it looks soo god, but runs soooo bad) but performance also goes down with vertex shaders disabled (compared to the actual version)
Dytska Vieria +/- .00004™ Join date: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 768	05-29-2007 17:59 Very nice, but there are certainly some issues with elevation and ocean/sky appearance. At 600m and login, below the horizon is what I can only think of as a Bowl of Ocean - rippled water included and animated. Above the horizon, Timescape Clouds, probably travelling over 200km / hour! Teleporting down to 300m, still have the Bowl of Ocean, but clouds are normal. It took almost 5 seconds to hear the Teleport Sound! Skydiving from 300m, the Bowl of Ocean became flat, so I flew back up, and the Bowl Of Ocean affect came back! My framerates about the same as regular client. 10-25 on the ground, 35 @ 300m, 45 @ 600m, depending on what is happening.
camilla Yosuke Registered User Join date: 9 Dec 2006 Posts: 49	05-29-2007 18:14 oops, I should have posted it here... Hi, I just tried the new skies and lighting, and I have to say its absolutely amazing. I see a big issue with it, though. The sky settings allow you to change scene gamma with a slider, which is a nice feature. But, to obtain a nice sky renderings, you have to use high gamma values, and I guess this is why most of the preset settings use 2 as a gamma value. This is good for skies, but very bad for every picture, texture, clothing, hair, skin, well everything built or 'alive' is now burnt by the light. I see two solutions: either dissociate sky and mesh gammas, so that we have good sky and nice texturing, or ... I redo all my textures darker... Maybe I missed something, if so please do tell, I'm owning a buisness, and visual quality is really important. Well even if you just want to have a walk , and see nice skies but everything is too bright under it, I think its a major drawback. Another little thing, to me it turns down all local lights, ecxepted worn ones.
Wrom Morrison Validated User Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 462	05-29-2007 18:16 From: Stylez Gomez Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop. I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista. Same issue on same card. (Works ok on my ATI though -- haven't tested much) This is on XP Pro Sky seems to fade from black to daylight to black, regardless of where the sun is (keeps doing it). Have not seen a single cloud? Where are my clouds?! Driver used : 158.27 WHQL 3D Settings : Tried default and quality From: Stylez Gomez I'm in XP at the moment and everything is working as should be expected. Is there anyone who has gotten this to work with Vista? It might be my driver is too new, I'll change back to something older and see if it works. But this driver gives good preformance on everything else. What driver are you using on XP Pro? _____________________ Content creators, please check this feature proposal. The aim of this proposal is to end re-sale rip-offs. (Also benefits freebie makers).
DancesWithRobots Soyer Registered User Join date: 7 Apr 2006 Posts: 701	05-29-2007 18:37 From: Stylez Gomez Doesn't seem to be working properly on my computer. Running Vista with a geForce 7900 GTO graphics card. The clouds don't show up, and the sky keeps transitioning to night and back to day every few seconds. It seems to be something to do with the clouds because when I stop the cloud movement via the Cloud Scroll options, the transitions stop. I'm considering installing XP on another hard drive to see if it's an issue with Vista. What he said Vista 3g preston, 2g ddr, PNY Verto 7600GS AGP
Stylez Gomez Union Micro Join date: 4 Jun 2004 Posts: 146	05-29-2007 18:43 From: Wrom Morrison What driver are you using on XP Pro? I think I'm using the 93.71 drivers on XP and 158.18 on Vista. I haven't tried changing drivers yet, but I may try that now. _____________________ Union Micro Visit Us Website SL Exchange
Wrom Morrison Validated User Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 462	05-29-2007 18:48 From: Stylez Gomez I think I'm using the 93.71 drivers on XP and 158.18 on Vista. I haven't tried changing drivers yet, but I may try that now. I just installed 93.71. Clouds are working now ! But the sad part is this is a 7 month old driver. It doesn't work with the newer drivers (even the driver Nvidia put out earlier this month and then removed (due to a bug in new control panel not showing). _____________________ Content creators, please check this feature proposal. The aim of this proposal is to end re-sale rip-offs. (Also benefits freebie makers).
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	It Sucks! 05-29-2007 19:16 Well, at least now I know which version of SL will force me to do a complete hardware replacement to continue to enjoy SL. Once Windlight becomes part of the standard mandatory viewer, I'm going to have to trash my entire computer and replace it, if I want to see skies that look decent. Windlight completely RUINS the sky on my Mac Mini. No clouds. It's like being in Death Valley in a drout. None of the atmospheric effects work. The sun, when it nears the horizon, turns BLUE-GREEN. Make any changes, and the sky becomes dead flat, monochrome, and the edges of each sim look like fake sky billboards on mega-prims, with not the least bit of transition between completely different colors of sky at each point of the compass. (Correction - This monochrome sky eventually did get replaced with a smooth gradient sky, several minutes after changing the sun position or switching sky presets. And not all of the sunsets and sunrises turn blue-green - just most of them.) Guess I may as well become a vampire or a werewolf, because the daytime sky in SL will surely bring me nothing but pain and sorrow. The night sky is cloudless, but at least tolerable. _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.

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