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Inventory Cleanout Day - APRIL 17th - Everyone Participate

Winter Phoenix
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04-13-2007 17:35
I go through my pile once a month or so. But I still find things stuffed inside of folders or in a folders subfolders, that are totally worthless. Notecards seem to accumulate at a rapid rate and take up plenty of space. Landmarks that no longer exist, and friendcards belonging to folks I only met once. If everybody digs around and dumps some of this crap, the sheer volume of recovered bitspace has to help. Do you need it? Want it? Sure, keep the first ugly chair you ever built for sentimental reasons, and send the rest to prim heaven. Once we do this all the lag we experience will be gone. HA! SUUUUURE IT WILL! But it cant hurt ;)
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Atashi Yue
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04-13-2007 17:44
How can I clean it out when I can't open it?
Chip Midnight
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04-13-2007 17:50
This will be almost as much fun as root canal day!
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FD Spark
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04-13-2007 18:04
If people sold more copyable items then we could put them in our virtual dressers on our land.
Great ideal I have to encourage my group members to have group inventory storage clean up party. And donate warehouse area for them to store backs ups to reduce their inventory load.
Phineas Flanagan
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04-13-2007 19:33
One thing I do to help keep my inventory under some semblance of control is to create boxes for various items that I don't necessarily need but don't want to get rid of "just in case." Then I just keep the boxes in my inventory.

This is really easy and anyone can do it without a script. Just create a cube, give it a fitting name such as "Packed doodads", and drag objects from your inventory into it on the Contents tab. Then on the General tab, set the default left mouse action to "Open." The only thing I don't do this with is objects that are "no copy."

So far I've managed to keep my inventory from reaching the 10k item mark.
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Malachi Petunia
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04-13-2007 20:08
It is far from clear that removing items from your inventory will help at all. Having everyone manipulate their inventories on the same day will yield either frustration, asset loss, grid death, or some combination thereof.

Remember that assets are stored by UUID and so long as that ID is referenced anywhere - your inventory, someone else's inventory, hiding at 0,0,0 in some sim, etc. - the asset can not be removed by the system. There have even been some brief Linden notes that there is a garbage sweeping system that looks for unreferenced UUIDs but that it operates on the scale of weeks. I conjecture that it may not work at all.

I appreciate the commonwealth intention of this post, but expect that it will have no effect or adverse effect.
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Kitty Barnett
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04-13-2007 20:35
Just a cautionary note to do a fresh refetch by clearing cache and relogging onto a quiet sim before doing any major inventory maintenance :).

Maybe it doesn't do any good, but I'd think that if your cached copy doesn't match the asset server's things are bound to go missing when you start moving and deleting folders en masse.
Raymond Figtree
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04-13-2007 20:54
I love this idea. Here's another: every time you log off, delete ten items.

So before you log, ask yourself, did I delete ten things yet?
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Ken March
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04-14-2007 03:20
Support, i will clean up my inventory ASAP, also i will notify my friends with this suggestion.

From: Doubledown Tandino
We all need to massively come together and delete the crap rotting away in our inventory. If we all pull together and do this, we could literally be getting rid of 20-30-40 MILLION things! Imagine how pleasant SL would be with 40 million lag causing objects out of the system.

Please come together and delete the stuff you don't want or need in your inventory by or on April 17. Please spread the word! Say to everyone you see "You know inventory cleanup day is on the 17th, have you deleted the junk you don't need yet?"


Thank you.


... to make this fit in the resident answers guidelines:

Who thinks this is a good idea? Who's with me?
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Simil Miles
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04-14-2007 04:06
From: Malachi Petunia

I appreciate the commonwealth intention of this post, but expect that it will have no effect or adverse effect.

The idea here is to minimize the requests made to the asset server, not to reduce the number of keys.

There was a great KB article ending by something like "If you have nothing to trash after your session, you're either an inventory genius or the worst one.".
Unfortunately I cannot find it again, maybe it was replaced by the video tutorial - that would be a shame.
(An option to auto empty the trash on logout would be great.)

LL should send a popup every month strongly inviting residents to clean up their inventory.
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loki Cramer
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04-14-2007 05:26
Ill do it later today i only got like 3010 items but i bet i can get it down to 1k i want to keep
Beebo Brink
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04-14-2007 06:37
Down to 3.5k after a review of some top folders. Could probably get that below 3K with a little more time.
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Paul Llewelyn
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04-14-2007 08:24
From: Malachi Petunia
It is far from clear that removing items from your inventory will help at all. Having everyone manipulate their inventories on the same day will yield either frustration, asset loss, grid death, or some combination thereof.

Remember that assets are stored by UUID and so long as that ID is referenced anywhere - your inventory, someone else's inventory, hiding at 0,0,0 in some sim, etc. - the asset can not be removed by the system. There have even been some brief Linden notes that there is a garbage sweeping system that looks for unreferenced UUIDs but that it operates on the scale of weeks. I conjecture that it may not work at all.

I appreciate the commonwealth intention of this post, but expect that it will have no effect or adverse effect.


Actually you are right. About a year an half ago the asset servers were going through a far WORSE meltdown than what we are seeing now and my bro put forth the idea of massive inventory cleanouts. A Linden came on and flat said the load created by thousands of people all cleaning thier inventories at once could very easily take the assett server into neverland faster than it was already going there. I have seen no evidence that the basic structure of the assett system has been changed so much that this wouldn't still be true.

On the Flip side of the issue though around that time we found that if we kept our inventories at under 3000 we dealt with a whole lot less lag and got faster load times when landing somewhere new.
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04-14-2007 08:31
From: Paul Llewelyn
A Linden came on and flat said the load created by thousands of people all cleaning thier inventories at once could very easily take the assett server into neverland faster than it was already going there.

I was just thinking that very same thing....
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Tod69 Talamasca
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04-14-2007 08:50
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I was just thinking that very same thing....


So if all the Griefer types were to empty out/Delete their inventory at the same time.... ;)

There ya go! :D
Raymond Figtree
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04-14-2007 09:04
From: Paul Llewelyn
Actually you are right. About a year an half ago the asset servers were going through a far WORSE meltdown than what we are seeing now and my bro put forth the idea of massive inventory cleanouts. A Linden came on and flat said the load created by thousands of people all cleaning thier inventories at once could very easily take the assett server into neverland faster than it was already going there. I have seen no evidence that the basic structure of the assett system has been changed so much that this wouldn't still be true.

On the Flip side of the issue though around that time we found that if we kept our inventories at under 3000 we dealt with a whole lot less lag and got faster load times when landing somewhere new.


Ok then, everyone just log off with ten less items then you logged on with EVERY TIME you are in SL. This will not tax the servers and eventually will make us all nice and "bob's-hoverboard" free. :)
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Zaphod Kotobide
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04-14-2007 09:23
Sorry man, I am NOT getting rid of my hoverboard!

From: Raymond Figtree
Ok then, everyone just log off with ten less items then you logged on with EVERY TIME you are in SL. This will not tax the servers and eventually will make us all nice and "bob's-hoverboard" free. :)
Sys Slade
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04-14-2007 09:26
Deleting things slowly is a good idea. It probably wont lead to massive savings, but by returning less results each time the asset server is queried it'll free up some processing.

Everyone doing deletes at the same time is a very bad idea. Deletes are a heavier on the database than simple reads. Depending on the layout of the database, they may also lock the entire table for the duration, wheras reads don't.
Raymond Figtree
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04-14-2007 09:30
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Sorry man, I am NOT getting rid of my hoverboard!


How about just deleting 9 of the ten in your inventory? And everyone do a search for "ponderosa". If we all cleared out our extra copies of pine trees, we could erase server strain forever!

What other copy items keep replicating in your inventory? Off the top of my head: Cherry Tree (correct copy) is a known repeat offender. And you can get rid of 100 items in five minutes if you search "floating text". :D
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Ceera Murakami
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04-14-2007 10:31
Well, I just went from 12,500+ to about 9,500, just by emptying my trash... Had been busy editing builds of late, and so had a lot of partial builds and deleted parts in the trash.
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Paul Llewelyn
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04-14-2007 11:10
From: Ceera Murakami
Well, I just went from 12,500+ to about 9,500, just by emptying my trash... Had been busy editing builds of late, and so had a lot of partial builds and deleted parts in the trash.


And you didn't crash when you emptied it? Wow there is hope for SL yet :)
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04-14-2007 15:15
From: Raymond Figtree
How about just deleting 9 of the ten in your inventory? And everyone do a search for "ponderosa". If we all cleared out our extra copies of pine trees, we could erase server strain forever!

What other copy items keep replicating in your inventory? Off the top of my head: Cherry Tree (correct copy) is a known repeat offender. And you can get rid of 100 items in five minutes if you search "floating text". :D


You can't go deleting trees, think of the ecosystem :)
Winter Phoenix
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well if mass inventory cleaning will end the world as we know it.....
04-14-2007 17:09
Hows about Inventory cleanout MONTH. Each day of the month we do it alphabetically. On day one the 'A' people, day two the 'B' people ect ect. Hell, lets do it every month. I should be down to 50,000 items in no time :)
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Simil Miles
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04-14-2007 17:21
From: Winter Phoenix
Hows about Inventory cleanout MONTH. Each day of the month we do it alphabetically. On day one the 'A' people, day two the 'B' people ect ect. Hell, lets do it every month. I should be down to 50,000 items in no time :)


I think that the best way to have everybody clean up without creating any grid wide issue is to send a monthly notification (popup, email or else) to each resident on their birth (registration) day.
For example residents who registered a 1th would be notified the 1th of every month.
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Phineas Flanagan
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04-14-2007 18:08
From: Raymond Figtree
And you can get rid of 100 items in five minutes if you search "floating text". :D


Also "Unpacker (any)" and other such scripts that are sitting in a product's unpacked folder. You can be fairly safe in assuming that if a script isn't already in something that it isn't meant to be kept.
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