Very Annoying Neighbor!!

Well, it looks like you have a pretty little war on your hands right now. That can't be good for business, can it? Good luck!

Humans aren't buildings, their beings.

And Monkeys aren't Donkeys! Quit Messing with my head!
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My home sim was a residential area. Right up until some ignorant moron built a club filling the sim with avatars and blocking my neighbours and I out from our own land at peak time. they'll be gone eventually, but they're still inconsiderate assholes.

The OP said he has a large amount of land in the sim. There is no reason at all, with all that land space available, to build 20 metre walls right up in anyone's face, except for pure selfish spite.

Hmm except the guy isn't a neighbour at all, he's a Land Reseller, he only cares about the money side of business, not the neighbourhood or view. Hi obviously prefers negotiation by action rather than words, by putting the trees back again.

Hmm, can't say I've seen these "building to land edge regulations" applied in commercial & industrial districts lately. Many even share walls.
You are treating this instance like a suburban incident when it's commercial, nobody actually lives in any of the 3 buildings mentioned, shops build wall to wall all the time and I don't thinkI've ever seen a nightclub not attached to other buildings.

Well were I live you have to leave "right of way" for fires etc and any places where shops are build wall to wall they are all owned by one property owner. I live in the downtown center core of a city

Anyhow as i said in this game we have to rely on being respectful. In the chat log we see there is an open space "a park" that was built on the opposite side. If it was me I would have put the open space on the side where it would do some good and embellish things further.

In the meantime I'm glad I'm not living on that parcel but then I learned long ago that people just dont care or think when it comes to building on the mainland at times. This is case of that and a case of "just because you can doesn't mean you should"

YOu can argue all you like about the fact that people can do it but again there is being just a griefing neighbour who doesn't care about the neighbourhood and then there is being a neighbour who cares and wants to be considerate of all.

So if the guy was actually living on the land you think this persons actions woudl be any different? I think your dreaming.

Lets face it the club builder put the huge wall facing outwards so they would not be looking at a huge club wall but rather a park so they inflicted the wall on others instead of themsevles that is all that has happened here and doesn't require rocket science to figure it out

Well I worked in construction in 3 different cities and it happens all the time, "right of way" is the road out front, and I have seen many industrial sheds and commercial shops that are independently owned and share walls just as as unit owners share facilities in residential.

If I was shop or club ownereI couldn't give a phone weasels butt on what their wall looked like when it was covered by the wall of my own shop anyway. Whichwould be against those boundries too. if you only wanted to use 100m for shop floor space you would buy a 100m lot not a 512.

I like Dekkers idea about using the encroaching trees as part of your club. Put a forest texture on that wall and add a few potted trees inside. Now with the trees in your club and the trees swaying back and forth from the outside, it should look rather nice.


Thunder,
I mentioned moving your club into the sky but I didn't know any other details besides what you had given us. It sounds like you have a nice little set up with the open "center" in the middle of your buildings. It would be hard to change that without moving everything up.

Now that's a creative idea to turn a problem into something good! There is a couple of nice large forest textures out there. I use one to beautify a huge wall next to my plot.

It is not selfish to use land you bought and paid for in anyway you see fit, this includes building up to the property line.

What you are advocating is the theft of property by not allowing the owner to use it.

If the land in your sim came up for sell, and you did not want a club, casino, etc. etc. locating there, you had one simple way of preventing it. Take your money, buy the land and let it sit empty. Pretty simple once you get down to it.

As far as I know, placing overhanging Linden trees is an ARable or at least cleanupable offence (no matter why it was done) - the usual way of reporting it used to be the Land Management forum that was right here, but I don't know what it is now that has been removed.



This is not actually a real right - in real life, even if you own land, you can't freely choose exactly what to do with it; and many island landlords will disallow building up to the line.



But very unreasonable - and it doesn't help Second Life very much to have lots of land empty because it was bought "in self-defence".

Hey Thunder,

As your neighbor on the other side, there might be another solution. Show him what we have done with the sidewalk, as I have seen the walk-in traffic it generates for both of us. See if you can't find a way to squeeze an extension of the sidewalk next to your club or around it that would let it connect to his land too (I'm not in-world - I'll have to wander down there tonight and see the situation for myself). It would not take much adjusting to fit the sidewalk in somewhere I think, and it might be just the thing to get him out of the box and increase the value of his land - and if he decided to put a business there, it could boost traffic for both of us too.

If this sounds like a possibility, I'd be happy to put the sidwalk in before as I did on the other side.

It depends on where you live, many areas of America are still free of fasict zoning and building codes.


It is more reasonable than one land owner telling another what he can or cannot do on his property. But then freedom is a scary thought to many.

If you don't want to put the club right in the sky, why not put it on pillars to lift it above the trees - perhaps even modifying it to have a stairway up from beneath. That way you can enjoy your neighhbour's trees too! Tell him how nice they are and he'll probably take them away!!

I'm advocating simple common decency. Something that's lost on the likes of you.

I actually can see both sides to this as I was in a similar situation standing in the other person shoes. I had a 1024 lot (rectangle) but close to being square. It was wide enough to put a house wide. Had a nice mountain view since the longer part faced a downhill slope. It looked like a ski area. Log in a few days ago and there is a HUGE escort service/women's store next door. Since the land was a steep slop, it is basically built floating with weird tye-dye colors. I put those tall (no moving) trees close to the border of my property, but not to interfere with their building to block it. The I kept getting their Lucky chair shouting. The Irony in it all is that it (Escort) and a church are adjacent to each other.

Sometimes I am tempted to do the waving tree thing, but never do. 20m tall is nothing. This thing is huge and isn't even touching the ground except for the far end.

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Sheesh.

lmao har!

I've just checked the police blotter, there are reports for the 4th of april but not mine, which was raised on the 1st, so i guess they dont deem it worth any kind of warning.

I guess this is the lindens way of telling me to deal with it myself. Anyone know any freeking huge tree shops?

Freedom to wreck other peoples' pleasure only results in retaliation and then nobody has freedom. Absolute freedom is a myth in RL (including even in the USA, I believe!) and it's a myth in SL too.

I'm still trying to figure out who is the actual annoying neighbor, the club owner building a giant box right up to the edge of his property or the guy planting trees up against the box...

the owner is within his rights to build on his property..the neighbor is wrong for putting trees up that he knew would go thru walls and over the property lines

Ah yes, but you can be right and still be very annoying

I've decided they are annoying each other equally so in the who is doing more to whom thing its a definite tie in my books

Your neighbor isn't a new SL user who suddenly discovered what can happen in a commercial zone when you buy two lots of the size and shape of his property. To me, it's obvious that he is trying to force you to buy his land, and that's about it. I would not feel sorry for him, or feel any responsibility to comfort him, he's a petty land baron, not a victim. You have treated him with respect he doesn't really deserve and been griefed in return. Ain't that nice!

Just ignore the bum, now. If he attemmpts further griefing you'll have to respond, of course, which sucks, of course, because you did nothing wrong here. You should also ignore all of the opportunisticly suggested "solutions" offered in this thread for accommodating your petty bourgeois, land speculating neighbor. I do not like clubs either but that isn't the point here; you are being coerced into helping another SL businessperson make a profit, plain and simple. Don't do it.