Very Annoying Neighbor!!

Me and my partner recently extended our land in Huk to build a night club, the build was coming along nicely until a couple of days ago my partner got an IM from our neighbor along the lines of "Oh thanks for blocking me in"

He own's 2 pieces of 512 land that runs down the side of our new club which is 20 meters tall, on the other side of him there's a castle wall which is around 25 meters tall which i might add has been up for a long time before our club.

I log in to today to find this...



Up untill yesterday there has never been anything on his land, nothing at all, so i'm in no doubt he's not done this just to make it 'pretty', it's nothing but a blatant attempt to ruin our club.

Before the tree's i could see his point, his 2 512 plots are lenghtways so only about 15 meters wide, it looks like an alleyway with a huge wall on one side and our club on the other.
This crossed my mind as we were building and was going to talk to him to see if he wanted to choose a texture for that side of the building. Either way, i'm within my right to build upto the edge of my land and go as high as i want really, and we wanted a 2 story (20 meter) high club.

I've no idea what to do about this, what are the correct channels? Why do LL allow tree's to cross boarders in this way? I'd really like to get this sorted out 'by the book'.

Thanks for any advice you have

Are you intruding onto your neighbors' land at all?

Nope not at all

Set the trees on fire?




All seriousness aside, AR him and his trees if you can't come to some reasonable resolution (and NOT as defined by LL, which apparently means "ignored". I don't see how he thinks he's blocked in, can't he fly or TP like any normal person?

Yes, you're able to build whatever you wish on your land, as high as you like. But so is he, and the Lindens have a record of ignoring disputes like this. You'd really do best to try to come to some kind of agreement with him.

The thought of letting him select a texture for the outside fcing his property is a very good one. I've recently seen some very nice landscapes for sale on SLX the were intended just for blocking the view of a neighbers property. Offer to let him select anything at all, within a reasonable price. After all, YOU will own whatever design is decided on.

Its probably the case of someone with NIBY itis.

Either that or they want you to buy them out.

Yes best you can do at this point is AR them. You could potentially Move your walls in some in the meentime to reduce how affected you are.

Dare I say, no one in their right mind would want a "club" in their sim, much less against their property. Clubs are the bandwidth bloodsuckers of SL. Believe it. It's true.

That said, yes it's your land and you have a right to do whatever you want. And it's because of clubs and 16m advert extortionists that mainland property sux.

Why not just put your club in the sky? What you think, you gonna have frickin' walk-ins for chrissakes?

Even better, find some other way to make money in SL to offset your tier.

Actually, putting the club in the sky isn't a bad idea at all. It's a little bit less laggy way up there and a club needs all the help there it can get.

And yes, clubs get walk-ins all the time.

I love happy endings.

Ooo someone got out the wrong side of the bed We already have a club and a shop and plan on knocking down the old club one and building a bigger nicer looking one and yep.. we get 'walk in's'
Anyway, thats not what this is about, its about a building with tree's sticking through the side, regardless of the use for the building.

I can see both sides of this arguement really. Personally I think that the last thing SL needs is another club and i can see why he is upset. You didnt hestiate to put your wall right on the edge of his land and this would piss me off if i were him. But you have the right to build a club if you wish also.
My best suggestion would be for you to put an easement on your land since he also has the right to line the land with trees. You are lucky he hasnt tilted them into your property. Move your wall in a few meters and the trees wont be inside your club and he wont feel so boxed in.
Your other option would be to be as big a jerk as him and make your walls 10m thick and have 4.999m of that extend into his land. I am sure there is an AR in the works there but i dont think the lindens care anymore what we do as long as we pay.
Your last option would be an invisable prim where the trees are. This would make the trees vanish but the downside is it would make anything with an alpha or any avis in that area also vanish if you dont expect anyone to be in this area you might have luck with that.

AR them, if you've tried to IM them and they either don't respond or respond in very negative way. I've had it happen and while it does take about a week, a Linden does usually come by and remove the offending trees.

I am almost completely positive that one is not allowed to put trees on their land which will encroach on a neighbor's property and into their builds.

If one has a land that is only an inch wide, one needs to find trees that are only a 99th of an inch wide.

The end.

coco

have you noticed that from the outside, your club appears to be a giant plywood BOX? maybe your neighbor think's it's really amazingly ugly, and put up trees tob;lock out the eyesore you call a club. Perhaps you should spend some time making the outside of your club presentable?

Well, we met and had a chat... The two plots btw are up for sale at 12500 per 512sq

HIM: hi
You: can we talk about these tree's befroe things get out of hand?
HIM: sure
You: they are sticking a long way into our building
HIM: well you kinda boxed me in here
You: what about that side? its much higher
You: and we have nothing coming onto your land
HIM: whos gonna buy this lot boxed in like this
HIM: thats a big building the whole lenght of my lot
You: what about if we let you pick some textures for the side of it?
You: and your only 'boxed in' becasue of both side, not just ours
HIM: yeah but you boxedme in
HIM: you could have put the park side on this side
HIM: why dont you buy these lots
You: they are to expencive for 512
HIM: how much will you pay
You: 8k max
HIM: i cant do that
You: ok
HIM: i put the trees there to get your attention
HIM: im not an ass ill take them away
You: ok, i'm trying to work out a way around this
HIM: but i really think you should pay me my asking price since nobody will ever wanna buy this lot
HIM: its of no use to anyone but you
HIM: i think it would be the fair thing to do
HIM: ive never sold a 512 for less than 12k
HIM: and ive sold many
You: i've never bought for more than 8, sorry but its just too much or we would have bought it.
You: mayve we could go to a texture store or somthing? you choose and i'll pay?
HIM: im not interested
HIM: ty
HIM: im stuck with a lot ill never be ale to sell
Fluff: we haven't done anything illegal building two layers high *NAME REMOVED* hun
Fluff: not at 12500 you won't
HIM: i havent doen anything illegal placing the trees there either


He has removed the tree's so my problem is solved but in all honesty i do feel bad for him, moving the club would involve redesigning our whole chunk of land so its not an option. Dont really know what to do

Put the club up about 50M you will still get "walk ins" and the trees wont be an issue.

Never sold a 512 for less than 12k? wow

Basically its someone who was holding 512's with the concept to sell them at a high rate when they got in the way.

Since you said they had nothing on them before.

Course you buying the land knowing there would be two 512 plots next to you that could prove a problem probably wasnt too brilliant either.

Like other posters have said building in the air nowadays is probably better. Youd cuase your anighbors less greif and you get much better FPS

As for flyby traffic just put a teleporter or land mark giver on the ground.

50m up is still an eyesore. Try 250m.

The way I see it you can:

Appeal to a higher authority. But as many have noted, the Lindens have a hands-off approach to the sorts of things folks in the real world would naturally assume are the function of local government. So this will likely be pointless unless your antagonist gets wind of it in which case he or she will re-think their approach and clear the trees or (more likely) get really pissed off and do even worse things. Particle graffiti comes to mind.

Appeal to your antagonist directly. You might be in your right to build whatever the frell you want on your property, but it doesn't hurt to work things through with your adversary. That initial IM, curt and rude as it was, was the opening of a dialog ... did you and your partner pursue that at all? I know plenty of rational people in real life who are confrontational to start with, but can be reasoned with as long as you don't think you can out-confrontational them! You thought about letting them choose their texture, how about actually coming out and asking, will an outside texture of their choice make things any better? As long as he/she isn't a jerk, you can probably defuse things even now. Use that as the beginning of a dialog and try to negotiate for a solution that meets both your needs. Maybe if you follow it up with an offer to put a few prims on your roof to make it look like a lawn and then he could build his property up another 20M so he's level with your roof?

Appeal to your sense of revenge. Blare loud music, launch particles at him, put offensive pictures on the outer wall to piss him off, etc. in the hopes that you can drive him off and get a more neighborly neighbor. Of course, after that kind of approach, I hope you get exactly what you deserve. [grins]

Appeal to your own cleverness. I love the idea of building most of your club way up in the air. Even if you just raise it thirty meters, you've cleared his obstructions and probably defused the argument quite a bit. The other alternative is to dig down ... put your club down in a hole with, below his property line. (I admit, I'm a bit hazy on the landscaping tools, but from what I've seen in my wanderings, surely this is possible?)

Appeal to your own inner-coward. Run. There's nothing you can really do to stop this jerk if he/she isn't willing to be reasonable, or if they have a motive that goes beyond an unobstructed view. Maybe they just hate clubs and want you out of there. When you build high in the air, they'll build high in the air, and the trees will be back. When you dig down, they'll dig down ... oh the whole thing will just be a never-ending headache for you, but might amuse your other neighbors. If this is the case, you should just pack your bags and find another piece of land.

The bottom line is that you're trying to run a business, and the last thing you need is this jerk getting in the way of your profits. So ultimately, you should appeal to your business sense and choose a solution that gets things smoothed out quickly. Try to negotiate, and if that doesn't look like it is going anywhere, leave.

750 gives the best performance benefit I have found

about 2x the FPS of the ground , most flyers cant reach you, and when you eject someone - WAY more fun

Trees are gone - your problem is over.

His problem of trying to sell weirdly shaped 512's for 12k each is his own problem.

I think you have offered to do as much as you can to make what he sees pleasant, so I would just go ahead and finish texturing the place and let him worry about not being about to get 12k for his little spots.

coco

Aha! Things are progressing, I see. You've basically cut the value of his land. Ain't that a shame? But that's the way life works in the real world, and the reason a lot of places have all sorts of township ordinances that keep you from doing what you really want to do with your property. The fact of the matter is that he was gambling that property values would increase and he lost that gamble. There's no guarantee anywhere that you'll make any profit on anything. It ain't a right and it certainly isn't a law of nature.

Well, if you do nothing, he's likely to put the trees back, probably at an inconvenient time, like after you've established yourself. At least, that's what I'd do if I were a jerk and you were my neighbor. Yep, your business would dry up in no time or you'd be forced to buy me out.

Unless you and he can come to an arrangement, you're gonna have to make changes to your club. Dig out your landscape and put it in a hole. Everybody's doing the sky thing.

And an atrtractive attention=getting teleport on ground level for the walk-ins.

Change the "Z" height of your club from what it is to adding a 4 onto the front of it. (example: 165 changes to 465)

simple and it will be done in 10 minutes

ONce in place at "465", select the entire club and "lock" it.

done


Besides that...no offense, but I'm betting your club will be gone in a few months anyways. There are too many clubs now for all of them to be profitable.

But good luck! and take advantage of the beautiful sunsets at the new club height.

Your curmudgeony neighbor should have thought about changing his z height before being a whiner...and 12k is WAY too much to pay for a 512 plot.....I wouldn't even pay 8k for one.

offer to sell him YOUR plot for 10,000!

then he can combine them and sell his outlandishly priced land as a much larger section, and you make a huge profit and can go buy some land elsewhere.

Think you mean 100k?