Very Annoying Neighbor!!

well I figure, if the guy thinks his plots are worth 12k, then he'll snap at a 10k plot adjacent. It's still way better than the OP paid for his land.. and should give him a nice nestegg to build a better club in another area.

Ahhh I see -

I assumed the club owner had more than a 512M to worry about.

Looking back the original poster never does list how much land is at stake here.

would you settle for "at an inflated (well over market) price that still looks like a bargain to someone who thinks 512 should sell for 12,000?"

hehe =) yeah

"nah I wont buy your lame 512's for 12k each but ill sell you my 2048 for 40k"

etc.

Do you really need the wall on that side of the club? He mentioned you could have put the park on that side so I'm assuming you have some open space - why not get clever with the design and open it up, like an outdoor plaza or a bandshell type deal or something? You could coordinate with him so his 2 512's could be a mini mall or whatever, something that'd work into the club's theme. Talk nice to me in game and maybe I can play around with some concepts, I'm a half-decent designer (just don't want to deal with clients all the time so I'm not professional).

One of the reasons I quit going to clubs was they all made me feel so closed in and claustrophobic anyways and were generally big dark cold boxes.

Yeah, you're in your rights, but really ... its just aesthetically cold and sterile and pretty much deprives your neighbor of some of his options. Build something beautiful and everyone wins.

The guy is not living on the land, so unless he lives in the same sim and using the land for prims he's just an investor, and who says a store isn't going to care what the neighbours buildings heights are, he's trying to coax you into buying at over market price I suspect, possibly thinking you are an easy mark, if it were joined into 1024m lot it would probably sell fine for a shop.
Though I can see how a homeowner would find the plywood cube look ugly, wooden "blocking" him in

Just to clear up a few points here, we already own 7,000sq in huk and bought an extra 4,000 plot for the club, this is our 'home' and we have no intention of going else where. The guy just beat us to those extra two 512 plots, and got them for 7999 each.

He's never built on them and put them up for sale at 12500 straight away. From what i gather from my partner it would seem he only bought them to up the price and sell them on, proberby to us as we've owned the land the club was going to be on for a while now, just never got around to building it.

I can understand if youve grown out of your land, cant expand and would like a small profit to go towards a larger patch else where.
Buying land with no other intention than to up the price and sell it on seems a bit off to me and to then go start what amounts to nothing more than griefing the people you were hoping to make a tidy profit off... I for one am not going to pay his prices, will raise an AR if he replaces his tree's and dont really care if he's able to sell them or not, for that price i would imange not.

I can sleep well, i dont feel gulty about my building resting a few inches in from the edge of my property and have no pitty for someone trying to make a quick buck in such a way.

For the record and in light of having more info, I'll side with a club operator in a heartbeat before defending a greedy land grubber bent on extorting a neighbor.

If the trees come back, I'd AR the person without hesitation. Let him/her eat the land and pay the tier for property no-one will by at the inflated price.

For the record and in light of having more info, I'll side with a club operator in a heartbeat before defending a greedy land grubber bent on extorting a neighbor.

If the trees come back, I'd AR the person without hesitation. Let him/her eat the land and pay the tier for property no-one will buy at the inflated price.

Agreed, now that I have more info. Land extortionists deserve no consideration.

How about putting the ugliest possible, preferably pornograqphic image on your wall facing the land-grubber's property, claim you think it's esthetically pleasing, and that you just want to help him sell his property by improving the view from it...

Being rude to neighbors is never good for business.

Leave the guy with an open offer to buy his parcels at +1 over the average per square meter rate for land. If the parcels really are "unsellable" he may choose to offload them. Or he may try to wait you out... and hope that you'll become more desperate to expand at some future point, and you may some day get to that point too.

Just be honest, fair and respectful, even if your neighbor doesn't deserve it. If nothing else it gives them no extra motive or leverage to use against you.

Re: everybody saying "the last thing we need is another club"...

There are clubs and there are clubs. If yours is going to be a place where there are occasional real events that you pay attention to and that people will hear things that they want to hear, or if it's a place where people will really come and interact, that's great. Go for it. There are lots, the competition is huge, but it's all good.

If, on the other hand, you're building something with camping chairs or camping dance floors intended to build up your traffic and ranking... ugh. That's the last thing anybody wants anywhere.

I think a lot of people hear "club" and assume the latter, hence the negative reaction. I know for a fact that not all clubs are that, however, even if there are a distressingly large number of ridiculous, stupid, and harmful camper farms under the name of "club," "casino," or "mall."

-Rob

Well, the tree's are back, 17 i think in total. I've raised an AR in the hope i can get this sorted out by the book.

Hmm seeing AR's seldom get any resonse form the culprit in these cases or even a Linden response, if you hear nothing in next week or 2, I would build a 20x20 mega prim glass house extension of the buildings sides, roof and front & back link it all together and then slide it across half of his block to enclose the trees into an indoor garden part of your club and wait for him to remove the trees when he see's his block only half it's original size

He's set the game rules by putting the trees back why not up the ante, you have more prims than him too to use, some particles might work well.
Then offer him $8k for the lot!

Move to a private island. IF you can find someone willing to rent to an ugly, laggy, resource-hogging club OR buy your own sim. Chances are that if your club is profitable, you are sucking most of the sim resources anyways.

building right up on your boundaries is spiteful and annoying regardless of how spiteful and annoying your neighbours are.

You have 11km2 and you absolutely have to put an ugly 20 metre wall up in someone's face? Maybe when your club is full you can take some comfort in the other residents not even being able to log into the sim to move their trees.

Yes every city in the world is full of spitfull & annoying businesses building wall to wall, get over it.......................
It's obviously not a residential area.

This happens quite a lot in SL. 2 neighbors living next to each other allowed to build anything they want on their own land they pay for. You built a huge building next to his land that sorta stuck a giant wall along the side. He got pissed off about it because it distracts his view with ugly plywood. At least apply a texture to make it look good lol... So he gets revenge by placing those trees there to get you to push your building back a bit. He has the right as much as you have the right to build there. You 2 need to work things out. You are neighbors after all. You might as well get along or move away from each other. chances are the second option won't help much, as long as you will always have to have neighbors lol.

Here is a word of advice though. A good building looks good on both the inside and the outside.

(offtopicsorry)

Hrm. I guess humans don't count as "good building"

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my... what an attractive... uh, spleen? (eww!)

Really? I can't. I don't see this so-called argument either.


Hesitate? Why would someone hesitate to build on their land up to the boundries that have been set forth. He may have a small piece of land, and would like to use every square foot of it.

This would piss you off as well? Piss you off, or frustrate you? You may want to look into anger management.

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Thunder Starbrook, you can turn this around into a joke with the neighbor and say to him "Hey, won't those trees eventually die from pressing against that building wall?"

Thunder Starbrook,

Okay, nevermind my previous post. I just read the conversation you had with the person. Yes, this guy is a class A whiner/loser.

HIM: yeah but you boxedme in
- Here, he admits that you've apparently 'boxed him in', therefore he seeks revenge.

HIM: i put the trees there to get your attention
- Here, he admits that revenge

And after all the options and attempted reasoning, you still get a slap in a face:
HIM: im not interested
HIM: ty

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Is it your problem he's boxed in? No. However, he feels it is and is punishing you for it. This is a Class A lamer, and I would not give into any of his demands or requests, especially the one to buy his land. Let him keep his boxed in lot, and suffer.

As for the trees, try to make use of them. You know how angry he'd be then? Make the back area of your building a tropical theme or something. Or take out the back wall of your building, so now your building has an open wall that has a view of some nature (trees).

Regardless, it's clear he's put those trees there intentionally to grief you, therefore this makes a good abuse report -- given that you provide pictures, and a snapshot of the conversation where he admits to purposely griefing you.

I honestly find some of these replies a bit strange..

1) The Club..
There wil be no camping chairs, i'm not into traffic junkie. Some live music, some dancers, maybe if i'm lucky i can make a small profit from tips or somthing, if not then its a place for friends to hang out. More laggy that a shop selling hundreds of items, each with there own texture?, not a chance.

2) Textures..
The club is still under construction "big ugly plywood box..?" Well um yep, thats the default texture, i tend to actually get the structure up before adding textures, kinda hard to do it the other way around. I'm not one to just slap any texture on and have spent a while trying stuff and looking for somthing that will fit the surroundings.

3) Move somwhere else..
Seriously, would people giving this advice do it themselfs? I doubt it. There's no way i'm going to let a couple of tree's make me up and leave the land i've been living on for 6 months.

4) Move the club..
Umm nope, we bought that plot of land just for the club. We have a 'center' with buildings around the outside, if the club wasnt there then somthing else would be. If i moved the club way up in the air, the whole point of people tp'ing in and walking around would be lost and i'll also have a huge empty bit of land that i'd want to put somthing on.

5) He has a right to put the tree's there...
I'm pretty sure he has no right to put up somthing that comes onto my land although if i didnt have the building there i would not mind.. until i wanted to build there. Lets remember there has been nothing on the land until our club went up, then the tree's appeared. It's pure spite.

6) Get on with your neighbour....
I would class a neighbour as someone you live next to. This guy has never lived on that land or had any objects on it, it went up for sale the second he bought it at a good 9k more than he paid for it. I would not call an estate agent my neighbour just because he's trying to sell the house next door.

Hmm think thats everything i wanted to say I've now partly textured the outside and had a compliment on it from another neighbour, as far as the tree's go, i'll play the AR take its course before i take any further action.

I think its the fact your club goes right to the very edge of his land and a reason why a lot of people run to private estates to live on. I dont think he is dealing with it well and if he is just a land flipper then hehe well i have no concerns for that. The problem is that no matter how pretty a texture you put on your mega plywood box your still right up against the property line which means that no one would want to live there. It would force your neighbour to either build up in the air or stare at it. The guy living on it would have a little claustrophobic strip of land.

In the real world there are a few regulations to stop peopel from building right to the edge of their land to prevent just what you are doing and it causes the same grief hence the rules. In SL we ahve to rely on our neighbours being respectful of those around them. Putting up a wall be it a plywood one or a pretty one with flowers on it right on the very edge of the property causes grief for the neighbour as well this is the point. If that guy was actually living on that land he would likely be forced to move or put up with a totally boxed in parcel. Having been put into a situation where a guy build a massive wall rght up against my property line I know what it feels like. My options weer to move that was it or put up with it. Since I too didn't want to livein the sky I had to move. I put up the land for sale bought land elsewhere and prayed the other land sold quickly.

If you look at it neither of you is being reasonable. you are griefing a neighbour with a massive wall right up to the property line and he is responding in kind with trees right on the property line. Neither is right.

you may not like the answers but anything that people can't see over being right at the property line is kinda mean and shows some lack of concern for your neighbours. If i was buying land and saw that land with that huge wall beside it I would not buy it.

If there was some poor schmo living on it the land is unsellable you have left him with little choice but to leave and possibly abandon the parcel

so in all honestly the two of you are kinda being mean to each other..

so the fact that you dont want to build up on the sky but want to force others to build up in the sky because you can't leave a 10 foot or even 5 food leway at the property line is not reasonable either its simply not neighbourly.

Me I would probably ask you to move the box in a bit. When you said no i would put the land up for sale and move if the land didn't sell I would abandon that is what I had to do before DO you think possibly that you too are not being reasonable by building the way you are?