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Jessica Elytis
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
08-12-2007 20:54
From: Colette Meiji
Why would someone pay $500 US a month if they had a problem with greed on the grid?

Do you need more than one region for personal space?

Just wondering.


*spanks Colette*

You had to poke it with the sharp stick, didn't you?

~Jessy
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Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do.
Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
08-12-2007 20:59
From: Gina Jacks
Ok, you want to hear me? That's fine, I am going to tell you some:

$500, That' s what I have been paying to Linden labs, for a SERVICE, today I have problems with LL and the way they operate and treat me as well as the community.
Too many issues, which are accumulating.

I am customer, who give them money, in exchange I want something in return, right?

In RL you pay your rent? You pay for holiday? You pay for a loan maybe? Do you buy food?

Do you call me greedy now, because I have been paying them $500 per month?
My business is/was still clean, I helped people, many people, loads of people, since I joined in December 2006. most of these people are not the forum, but they will remember me, don't need to tell YOU, what I do with my money, that's my business, in return, I am not asking you what you do with your money, ok? If one day I receive $500
from you and you are not happy with my service(s), because I am greedy, I would allow you to be upset with me, most importantly, I will not ignore you or patronize you.

What counts is the way you do it, and how it affects people, does it make them happy? Are they happy to deal with you? Will they remember you? If the answers is YES, than you are doing something GOOD. If the answer is NO, then you should start to worry and listen and be proactive. Are you helping people, wether you pay $500/month or not? Do they benefit from you?

As a side note, joining the Muppet Show is NOT the answer, it's not going to achieve anything, and I mute people because I don't feel them. Period. I wish they had guts and do the same.

You know in RL, if I had an issue with you, and said ignore me, i don't want to see you again or talk to you ever... I wouldn't have to tell you twice, same the other way around.
Unfortunately, people in forums think that they are courageous/heros because they gang up on people behind their keyboard. Thats' ok, we are all different, I mute and I ignore, that' s the way I am on line, when I don't feel the vibe, I don't feel the vibe and that' s were it ends.
Some one I muted in SL managed to get my attention and used photoshop to write something on a prim so I could see what he had to say. That was creative and he apologized, and I accepted it, I understood that he regretted the incident.


Now back to greed = grid... why I pay such a big tier? Yes, in fact that is what I needed,
and do you know why? Mainly to do with the state of mainland (ruined, to my taste), so the only option for me was to go to a private Island, which is NOT cheap, ok?
I am a nature lover, and started to make my first custom terrain, and was even planning to extend it with open space/void sim, because I wanted to create a mini world, were I can be happy and enjoy the scenery, far from the mainland, and most of the time I am alone in SL, and very happy, I don't bother anyone, I don't grief anyone, I don't attack anyone, but I have and still am helping many people in SL, when business calls, and that' s the only time that I am not alone, people I help are happy, I offer(ed) various services,
and as long as these people are happy, i am happy, and at the moment, my business requires(d) that kind of tier. I do not harm anyone, and no one as called me greedy, because with me, everyone takes advantage, we all benefit, and I look after everyone.
Do I need to tell you what I can do in SL, or what I have done? My skills? I don't need to, I feel good about myself, people who know me best, will remember me and know my strengths and weaknesses, no need to prove anything to a forum. Especially now that someone like you is trying to twist my topic against myself... I am ok, I have been very useful to the community.

As a reminder, the post is against the user experience in SL, not about what YOU think about ME paying that much tier. Because I can reassure you, I speak, and I act, but what you don't know is that there many people like me out there who are packing up, without telling anyone... but that you didn't know. Back on topic, many account holders with that kind of tier = no good for SL and = no good publicity.

If it's a question to tell you what/how I operate, well, this is a personal one, I am not here to tell "how" I manage my SL, but to tell people that I am paying this much every-month, and LL is not respecting me and the customers, they are turning greedy.

Do you pay that much yourself? I guess not, so maybe you don't understand how I feel, and what I mean.

Once again, back on topic, I pay that kind of money, and I am not happy with LL and preparing to leave for good. Maybe, you don't have my experience so cannot understand how I fell, or most importantly What I can SEE. That most people Cannot.

Back to my phrase on the over post:
Do as I say, but don't do as I do, I wasn't referring to me!

Linden Labs makes money because of you and me, did you know that?
Then, let's say that in return you want to make money too... you can, yes...
Further, Linden Labs decides that they want to make more money and affect the economy, and further penalize Island owner, yes, they are responsible for the crash,
yes they know what they are doing.

No need to keep going around in a circle, wondering what is going on... why... who...
maybe... or.. you have got the answer. GREED. They take, we give... they want more...

open your eyes, one day you will remember me.



Hmmm

So your problem is -

Bad Service?

LL being Greedy?

High Prices?

SL Performance?

A sagging SL economy?

All of the above?

Your post goes all over the map, its hard to follow.
Domaiv Decosta
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jun 2007
Posts: 243
08-12-2007 21:00
From: Jessica Elytis
*spanks Colette*

You had to poke it with the sharp stick, didn't you?

~Jessy


lmao. another good keyboard ruined by coffee.
Gina Jacks
Registered User
Join date: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 181
08-12-2007 21:02
From: Gillian Waldman
Gina,

What is it you are asking? I cannot figure it out from the way the poll is worded. That's why I asked for pie.

kkthx.


The overall experience and vibe in SL, people keep complaining about the same topics, all the time... I have experience everyone of them, and being affected, several times...
I would not pinpoint a single issue, there are too many out there. Of course, there are people who spend their life on the forum, so they won't have a clue about the SL world, that could be the problem and reason for 1) not understanding, 2) making useless comment.

What can I say, I have spend LOADS of my time in SL since December, hours and hours, but I am NOT wasting my time on this forum (actually, at the moment I am, but it's for a reason).

There are assertive people, and passive people, and also a third type of people, people who fill the gap, basically you cannot achieve anything with the third type... the passive usually stay quiet. Maybe a fourth type, who are curious and interested. And sub type, who believe everything we tell them...
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Ann Launay
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
08-12-2007 21:05
e·go·cen·tric [ee-goh-sen-trik]
–adjective
1. having or regarding the self or the individual as the center of all things: an egocentric philosophy that ignores social causes.
2. having little or no regard for interests, beliefs, or attitudes other than one's own; self-centered: an egocentric person; egocentric demands upon the time and patience of others.
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From: someone
I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
Posts: 3,676
08-12-2007 21:06
From: Gina Jacks
Very well, use your imagination...

At least, for those of you who have the nerve to pick option 4, at least, be a real hero not a coward: Tell your reason(s) to the SL community, don't hide with stupid jokes, because once again you get caught for wanting attention. A forum is NOT to get attention because one/you feel insecure, miserable and have an ego problem... A forum is for people who have something to say, because of a real experience, a real situation, not like those trolls who spend their life on the forum... yet you never learn anything good from them. Classic and typical, the real muppet show - that is what you do best.

Speak for the community, if you can, ...............................


.......................You want attention, right, you want to be popular right? Well do something for the community maybe, and you will get the respect you claim.

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Surely anyone who says anything IS speaking for the community, being as how every single one of us IS the community.

Remind me what you have done for the community....ever...
None of us are here to help the community, we're all (every single SL resident) is here for their own benefit - whether social, for entertainment or for business.

From: Gina Jacks
The overall experience and vibe in SL, people keep complaining about the same topics, all the time... I have experience everyone of them, and being affected, several times...
I would not pinpoint a single issue, there are too many out there. Of course, there are people who spend their life on the forum, so they won't have a clue about the SL world, that could be the problem and reason for 1) not understanding, 2) making useless comment.

What can I say, I have spend LOADS of my time in SL since December, hours and hours, but I am NOT wasting my time on this forum (actually, at the moment I am, but it's for a reason).

There are assertive people, and passive people, and also a third type of people, people who fill the gap, basically you cannot achieve anything with the third type... the passive usually stay quiet. Maybe a fourth type, who are curious and interested. And sub type, who believe everything we tell them...



You're still not making any sense.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Kenbro Utu
Registered User
Join date: 26 Sep 2006
Posts: 483
08-12-2007 21:08
From: Gina Jacks
What do you think?


I think the options I am continuously given in polls sucks... At least include a "None of the above" selection.
Gina Jacks
Registered User
Join date: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 181
08-12-2007 21:09
From: Colette Meiji
Hmmm

So your problem is -

Bad Service?

LL being Greedy?

High Prices?

SL Performance?

A sagging SL economy?

All of the above?

Your post goes all over the map, its hard to follow.


Bad service? Yes
LL being Greedy? Yes
SL Performance? Yes
A sagging SL economy? Yes
High Prices? That's a big subject, but let say that my money order should have been filled three days ago, I am not receiving anything and I can see it and I know why.
All of the above? Yes

AR? Does it exist?
Ticket support? Next month or two we might answer and/or fix it/some of it (depends if it suit us...)...

Oh I forgot, next year servers going open source... let's stuff our big little pocket right now while we can... then.. who cares, we will be loaded!!!
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
08-12-2007 21:12
From: Gina Jacks
Bad service? Yes
LL being Greedy? Yes
SL Performance? Yes
A sagging SL economy? Yes
High Prices? That's a big subject, but let say that my money order should have been filled three days ago, I am not receiving anything and I can see it and I know why.
All of the above? Yes

AR? Does it exist?
Ticket support? Next month or two we might answer and/or fix it/some of it (depends if it suit us...)...

Oh I forgot, next year servers going open source... let's stuff our big little pocket right now while we can... then.. who cares, we will be loaded!!!


So your issue is:

They have high prices and they have no problems taking your money,

But do not give you your moneys worth (stability, support, etc) in return.

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I can see that - A lot of people feel that way.
Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
08-12-2007 21:18
I'm gonna attempt to reply although I'm pretty sure I am on ignore but I truly can't remember

The fact of the matter is Gina that believe it or not if users are on the forum they either can't get onto the grid (cause its broken) or are at work. In my case as wel as posting when at work I'm a content creator and am having trouble creating and logins keep going down. Now many of us have seen a lot of the problems but the issue is that if we all got our knickers in a twist everytime we encountered a problem on the grid there would be no fun to be had. I have been here now almost a year and a half and have seen this stuff. Once upon a time I could drive on the roads and at present I can't but I can still use the racing sims (i like to race motorbikes in sl among other things) . If i was to crusade about every single issue presented on these forums and in some cases personal friends have asked for help. I would get nothing done. SL would become a stress for me and I dont play SL to have stress its a creative outlet. Now you may find this hard to believe but we all notice it. Some of us just have personalities that are such that we are not willing to have all the sl issues ruin our fun time. Its simply not worth it. The problems on there forums and the nature of the SL complaint threads never actually changes. Everyday there is half a dozen people posting a complaint to the residents answer forum about the same old things. We make our comments have our say and that's that. There is the open letter campaign going which has collected signature its for grid stability. Are you aware of that? I dont think you are. Many of us signed it 3 months ago. It was a request for LL to work on the grid stability. Its just about to enter phase 2 because the first try didn't work.

The gambling issues are a point of law we as residents and consumers of the product have no say.


The land issue was a huge issue at christmas time and before were prices were insane and LL told us in advance exactly what they were going to do and have done it. Previous to that price hike prices for land in SL were quite low 5L per sq meter or so most of the time. They stated their intent to lower the price to make it more affordable and are doing just that.

I for one left the mainland due to the overpriced land. I had a hard time paying 100 USD for a tiny slice of land that would be of no use that was surrounded with spinning things and lagged out .

YOu can come and complain like others have if you wish but plesae dont expect everyone to jump on some sort of crusade wagon and picket and scream from the rooftops. I for one am simply too old and dont want the stress of it and have already been over the issue ad nauseum.

The bottom line is if the product is to you that bad then its time to pack up and leave. I still like SL I love to build and even have plans to buy an island sim. They are also working on bringing forward a new system called Mono something announced I think a year ago if i remember that will be faster but we have no idea how far along with that. It will run LSL scripts faster and the entire SL sim system faster or so its hoped. If you look there are things happening on SL issues. What your particular issues are I dont know

I just know you lke to ignore people a lot.. lol
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Oryx Tempel
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08-12-2007 21:26
She keeps saying that she's helped a lot of people, and then she says that she stays alone all the time... which is it? :rolleyes:
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Gina Jacks
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08-12-2007 21:28
From: Conan Godwin
Surely anyone who says anything IS speaking for the community, being as how every single one of us IS the community.


You are still not saying anything useful here... and bitter you are...

Pal, the community is NOT you or some 28 members and followers on my ignore list, ok?
Google is there, the internet is big, the RL world is even bigger, and the press...

Remind me, who are you by the way? Do I know you?

From: Conan Godwin
Remind me what you have done for the community....ever...
That just proves that you are fool enough to talk about things you don't have a clue about. Do you know me? Obviously not, so never talk about people you don't know, you should be embarrassed, it's a foolish thing to do. I have lowered myself, low enough to answer your post, which I should not have. You sound jealous because you have been useless in SL. Take classes, they do exist.. but you know what, I didn't need any myself.



From: Conan Godwin
You're still not making any sense.

To you... maybe, but that's ok, obviously, your post didn't make any sense or said anything useful to me. i.e: I still haven't learn anything, apart that you too are a crowd follower.
You had your chance, you could have been a friend, but you were a ...

So, good bye , good luck, and off you go... on my ignore list.
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
Posts: 3,676
08-12-2007 21:32
From: Gina Jacks
You are still not saying anything useful here... and bitter you are...

Pal, the community is NOT you or some 28 members and followers on my ignore list, ok?
Google is there, the internet is big, the RL world is even bigger, and the press...

Remind me, who are you by the way? Do I know you?

That just proves that you are fool enough to talk about things you don't have a clue about. Do you know me? Obviously not, so never talk about people you don't know, you should be embarrassed, it's a foolish thing to do. I have lowered myself, low enough to answer your post, which I should not have. You sound jealous because you have been useless in SL. Take classes, they do exist.. but you know what, I didn't need any myself.




To you... maybe, but that's ok, obviously, your post didn't make any sense or said anything useful to me. i.e: I still haven't learn anything, apart that you too are a crowd follower.
You had your chance, you could have been a friend, but you were a ...

So, good bye , good luck, and off you go... on my ignore list.



OH NOES!!! I'm on her ignore list!!
I think she's really failed to understand what a community is. The community does not just consist of people who agree with her.

Note how when I asked her a question about what she had done to help the community she was unable to give an answer.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Strife Onizuka
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Join date: 3 Mar 2004
Posts: 5,887
08-12-2007 21:33
From: Jillian Callahan
"Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum."


"I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am" ?

It's time to lock the thread when I start trying to remember my Latin.
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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
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