The Key Question For Linden Lab

Well, if they can control their feelings, then they can control them to do without computer-generated images too, surely?

Hi Stylee

Do you always talk like that to/about people you don't even know?? No response to the valid questions raised instead a cheap attack.
Congratulations to you for this impressive display of superior brain activity !!

Anyways, I'd like to know too where all of this is going and who or what is next. While I totally agree that ANY kind of sexual content involving children needs to be banned yesterday I'd hate to see all of us getting punished because of a handful of sick twisted people.

But there's no way of knowing whether or not the person would ever commit the acts in real life, and I'd be willing to bet that most of them wouldn't. You can't just lock people up for things that they may do in future. A lot of people use role-play precisely because they wouldn't think of acting out their fantasies in the real world. I play Grand Theft Auto because I think it's a thrill to fly down a busy street at 100 miles per hour in a stolen car, and the game gives me an opportunity to experience this without having to steal a car and do it in real life. Should I be arrested now? I just admitted to role-playing a criminal for the enjoyment, so does that mean I'm a potential threat to society?

Until they harm somebody, it shouldn't be treated as a crime. That's just my opinion.

Most likely they can.

But that is not the issue, the issue you brought up was getting them before they ever done anything wrong. If you pull this way of thinking to other crimes it may become real messy and we all end in jail or alike.

For example, I know two persons if I ever meet them I will hurt them on any way I can... I hope I scratch their eyes out, kick them on some very sensitive places and strangle them in the end. Luckily the change I will meet those person is extremely close to zero and even more likely common sense will take over if this situation ever occurs.
But yes, it clear statement that I would be violent to these two person. Put me in jail on forehand... because you never know?

And I pretty sure every person had at times thought about things that not be very legal. The streets will become empty if we follow that way of thinking.

Morwen.

The idea is that, as was said above, the dangerous people are people who fail to suppress their desires. Those are the people we want to catch. But at the moment, the only way we know that they have "failed to suppress" is when they hurt a child, and that means a child gets hurt, which is what we want to avoid.

However, if we declare that virtual child porn is illegal, and clearly tell people this, then if someone winds up looking at it anyway, we can identify them as having failed to suppress and thus potentially being dangerous, but no child needed to get hurt.

I'm not sure I understand. If something is considered repugnant, it justifies outlawing it outright? What about gestures with baby laughs? Those disgust me! Can we ban people who use them?

You know that I suspect that a lot of those people involved into sexual age play in SL aren't real paedophiles at all, just some grown ups with some fantasies. So I suspect strongly that those you think to catch will not be those you think you are after.

I mean, having fantasies over "capturing" someone as a "stranger" (seems to be a fantasy often played out in bedrooms) doesn't make you a kidnapper.

Morwen.

Oh while we are at it.... bans those that wear uniforms. I dislike those very much.

Morwen.

Point is that people who enjoy replicating such activities have a high degree of probability that they enjoy the idea of the real thing too. As such there is the potential for RL paediophilia to be part of this activity.

Ah, so you are saying that people who have certain fantasies (maybe even play them out in RL bedrooms and alike) are most likely to do those things to others in hurting way as well?
Hmmm.... nonsense.

Morwen

I think the issue of the baby laugh gesture is something all of us. regular citizen,gay, furry, gor, ageplayer,vampire,even pedophile can agree on. When you are minding your own business and someone 40 meters away in SL makes you jump a meter in RL, tey should be banned!

In RL ageplay involves two ADULT 'avatars' - as such is the enjoyment (for them) of dressing up and having sexual activities wearing baby clothing. It's strange but innocent as both 'avatars' are adult in shape.

Underage sexual ageplay however involves one avatar ( or I guess both ) looking like someone under 18. This is completely different as clearly the participants enjoy looking at a childlike avatar and by implication most likely RL naked children too ( bang instant interest in paediophilia ). Nonsense? NO WAY.

Well, fantasies are fantasies.... It is know that things as "forced sex" are often played in bedrooms. "The stranger in the bedroom" thing. You claimed that it is mostly likely people will take that out to real... That is what I called nonsense.

To that, to your words it means that if having a fantasy about something, it means you are intrested it. That is not correct either...

And no, I am not supporter of sexual ageplay. But things you say cannot be limited to one situation... and in others it suddenly no problem at all.

Morwen.

The distinction is that such fantasies don't really change between RL and SL ( i.e. they both take place between adult 'avatar's) EXCEPT sex with minors.

Therefore banning it in SL makes sense as clearly the participents enjoy the concept - which makes them potential RL peadeophiles.

Then beware that there are lot of potential rapists, kidnappers, voyuers and whatever not more out there as well. SL will be busy with banning if people get banned for their fantasies.....

Morwen.

*sigh* - Having sex with a minor is ILLEGAL IN RL... pretending to be raped in RL IS NOT...

Therefore someone pretending to be raped in SL is likely to do the same in RL.. nothing wrong there..

By implication someone having sex with a minor in SL.. is likely to ... uhoh.. ILLEGAL!!!!

RL rape is just illegal as having sex with minors. Both are crimes.

To your words.... implication of raping someone in SL is... likely to... uhuh... ILLEGAL?

Morwen

I was not aware it was even possible to rape someone in SL. pretend yes. but the whole way sl is set up prevents rape. So why is this even a point?

Acting out a RL Rape FANTASY is not illegal...

You can't act out a RL sex with minor fantasy... without breaking the law.

Sex including minors in SL can also only happen with content of those involved.

Point is that one crime is acted servere on, the other seems to be okay. I dislike rape as I dislike sex involving children.

Edit: And my very first point stands... That in the fantasy of people many things happen that normally would considered bad... but that a fantasy doesn't mean it always become reality.

So do I but with everything as it is in SL you cant be raped you can pull the plug or tp away or what not, so there is no crime. If they go on the poseballs then it is just pretending non consent while distastful it is not illegal. Now on the other hand sex with minors is illegal in most of the useful countrys as well as more then likely most of the useless. One thing I learned about SL in the last week is that you can get textures from people without agreeing. So you if you somehow stumble onto 2 sexual ageplayers out in the middle of some sim, and they send you a texture, suddenly you have something illegal on your pc.

Except that acting out rape ( in SL or RL ) is not real rape - it's concentual and LEGAL.

Having sex with minors is ILLEGAL in RL.

That hit the nail right on the head.

Roleplay rape is not rape. Just as murder in the movies isn't real murder. It's acting. Your portraying a role.

Children on this planet, world wide, are getting victimized daily. The most common way they are getting victimized is by molestation/rape. Now, you can't sit there and tell me that people who play out the fantasy in second life of having sex with a child is not sexually attracted to children to begin with (like someone would do that in SL if they didn't get off on it). It's sick. It's perverted. And the person obviously needs help. If you find sex with a child in any way a turn on, and you practice it in SL - how can anyone justify that??? It's amazing what the world has come to...people sticking up for adults getting off on having sex with children.

It's not about gambling. It's not about furries. It's not about prostitution. Stop bringing those examples into this and trying to justify it. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Crime...crime? Who cares! Are you looking at the law to tell you what is right and wrong? The law is written by a bunch of lawyers. Look at what you think is right or wrong. This is wrong, regardless which way you spin it. Anyone who gets off on sex with a child needs serious help.

But as soon of two adults one dresses up as a minor and live out the same fantasy it is suddenly legal again.... and the idea stays the same, sex with a minor.

Anyone who enjoys raping a woman needs help as well?

No opinion, just a reaction.