Does having sex pose balls on your parcel mean you'll have to flag it as "Adult"?

/me gives Mickey a bowl of cool water to drink.

I totally agree. I'm also upset if people just walk into private homes. Or cam through the walls and sneak into the room by using a poseball, if the door is locked.
I simply stated it as a fact: there is always the possibility that someone can enter your house or at least watch you by using the camera controls, unless you're in the middle of a really large parcel surrounded by ban lines. Doesn't mean I'm ok with the status quo.

/me gives Mickey a paper bag, breathe into this.

(I know you were just kidding.............I hope)

Private homes should be exempt from any rating as long as all conduct takes place within the home, which in some cases would require any "speech" to take place soley in IM. I mean if you stay at the Disneyland hotel, they don't stop you from having sex............do they? But if you are yelling "oh baby" loud enough to wake the people 3 doors down, a burly security guy will usually put a damper on things. (Thinks back to his university days as a hotel security guard, the elected offcial with the drunk girl he had picked up the night before banging on his door threatening to kill the drunk girl he had picked up that night.............)

If some idiot wants to stand 3 parcels away and camera in..............he is the one who should be banned if he reports private conduct in private rooms. Of course this does mean the home owner should close the curtains or darken the window.

This is totally, totally idiotic.

Never mind rezzing anything or wearing attachments, this is saying that if two people come onto your land and seduce each other in chat, the landowner is responsible.

You are NOT morally responsible, and NOT legally responsible, whatever Daniel Linden may say. So that was an untrue statement. He can say, "LL will hold you accountable" - but that is unjust and morally repugnant.

As I said, this whole thing is just poisonous.

If you think this is bad; wait until people start ARing you start taking cam-panned pictures of avatars in compromising positions...even though they are in thier own homes. This whole situation could be used to harrass, embarrass and ban people if someone had a grudge against another. It's the new Scarlet Letter.

Okay here is the issue why do cameras need to have the ability to pan into areas 50 meters away ? It may be along time before sl gives us private basement rooms or even air space that cant be seen into it takes them a long time to add new features... however it may be a much simpler matter to take a feature away. Why dont we ask them to restrict the camera's ability to pan to far away distances ? Nobody can snoop into others houses anymore and all is well in sl?

Elinah

Try being a builder in second life on any kind of decent sized build. Disable camera constraints has made life wonderful for that and I couldn't live without. Its also invaluable for terraforming an entire sim at a time. And as an estate owner with a sandbox sim in the center, being able to peek over to make sure there's nothing going on in the sandbox that shouldn't be from anywhere on my estates is also of great benefit.

On the other hand, I could care less what folks are doing on their beds and balls <g>

Charlene

Perhaps they should be - but are they?

The Lindens have certianly not said that.

I didn realize it had some value thanks for your reply to me ... maybe allow it to be used only by the land owner on their own land and on sandboxes for building purposes ? Or maybe allow use of the 50 meter pan camera feature only in edit while creating?

Elinah

Someone has said recently reguarding privacy that even if the Lindens limited the camera on their viewer - someone could easily restore the flying camera to an open source viewer.

My understanding was that this was addressed on another thread and the statement was at some point clarified to ".. activities offered on your land ..".

I don't think it was ever LL's intent that the landowner was responsible for a complete outsider rezzing adult content that happened to be on the landowner's parcel...

Seeing as Mature land will be relegated effectively to "PG plus swearing and also bewbs" I think it's everyone's civic duty as a Second Life Resident, to swear like Glaswegian dockers while topless, whenever in Mature sims. To restore teh balance, and stuff.

Somehow I doubt our american friends (whose pilots, you may note from the recently released Friendly Fire tape, know to moderate their language so things are a bit better after they have blown a few of their allies off the face of the earth) will quite understand the rich British/Irish cultural heritage of those short words, lovingly applied. And I bet they haven't even begun to find out about "Berk" yet...

Pretty good job of working that cheap shot in there...I'm impressed.

Funny when one makes a comment about Germans in almost every thread. Then gets upset when someone says something about cowboy Ami pilots. Rah Rah Captain America!


This whole situation is rather messed up in my opinion. If it is your home then you should be able to do what you wish as long as it ddoes not involve imaginary representations of children.

I was about to point this out. Yeah, I remember seeing this feature request too. Anyone know what ever happened with this? As Ceera points out, it would be a great way to move any personal adult content out of public view. I know people who already do this anyway (ie. they have a house on the ground, and a romantic space on a platform high in the air.)

Who was getting upset? I got a chuckle out of that one. (despite the fact that my Brother IS one of those Cowboy Ami pilots)

But you would be right for making an issue of it if I WERE offended. I do apologize to Gummi for using that phrase.

whoa Whoa WHOA is that in this thread? *goes back to read through everything*

If that is the position LL is taking, then why bother with the adult flagging and age verification choice? There is absolutely no way to ensure there is never anyone wearing a prim phallus on your land. absolutely none Every landowner will need to set their land as 'adult,' and as a result every user of sl will need to be verified.

I agree with you, there are adult ads in the sky all around my land, not on my parcel but quite clearly visible and operational from my land. I could be selling cookies on my parcel but as adult content is accessible from my land then I'm in an adult content area. There should be no distinction between mature and adult, it makes no sense.

Bear in mind that this all started because a German TV reporter had images of a brothel set up specifically so that men could have fantasy sex with avatars intended to look like little girls. When Daniel Linden refers to being responsible for the conduct of people on your land, I hope he is referring to cases like that.

If you've deliberately set up a business on your land that is intended to allow people to do something legally questionable, you certainly should be the responsible party. In that case, LL is saying look, we can't control everything that happens within SL, so the individual who chooses to set up that sort of business is the one prosecutors should look at. (In the same way that a Web hosting company doesn't want to take responsibility for what the owner of a site does.)

On the other hand, if you've got a lot in a PG sim with a house on it and two other people, without your knowledge and while you're not even around, come have public sex on your lawn, I would hope it would be they and not the landowner held responsible.

It would be very good to have some clarification from LL on this.

Don't say the "C" word! Its forbidden!

Yeah, when I went back through the thread to actually find the quoted text, I saw that the actual statement from Daniel Linden was just one vague sentence (a Linden saying something vague? omg) that Aleister Montgomery was then extrapolating from. Not that Aleister was wrong per se, but as Mickey points out there are multiple ways to interpret the statement, and Aleister was just choosing to interpret it in the most worrisome way.

Well ... yeah of course its vague , it will go right into the TOS/CS staying vague.

Back to the very first question in the thread

Will you need to flag your parcel Adult if there sex balls on it - Probably Not

Will you need to flag it adult while you are using those sex balls as they were intended - Probably Yes

If you dont you are opening yourself up to report by nosy neighbors, moral police and passers by.

I quoted his statement from this blog entry (the 4th paragraph). He doesn't explicitly explain how it's meant.

The way I understand it, "Landowners are morally and legally responsible for the content displayed and the behavior taking place on their land" means that one can't set up a Bring-Your-Own-Poseballs adult playground and then point out that technically all the adult content was rezzed by visitors. The reverse is that even a sandbox owner has to be aware that guests may rez adult content. But that's only my interpretation.