Does having sex pose balls on your parcel mean you'll have to flag it as "Adult"?

Does having one or more sets of sex pose balls on your parcel mean you'll have to flag your parcel as "Adult"? Would the whole sim have to be flagged as "Adult"? Even if they are only there for your own use and for your invited guests to use? Does anybody know? If it does, then just about every mature sim that has homes in it will have to be flagged as Adult.

Seems to me that a pose ball set or scripted bed that can be used to depict two (or more) people graphicly engaged in sexual acts would certainly be "Graphical adult content".

And if a mature sim has even just ONE home in it where someone has sex pose balls or an adult-oriented scripted furniture item, in the privacy of their own home, does THAT require the sim owner to tag their entire sim as "Adult"?

What if the pose balls are in a private skybox, with a security orb that keeps away all but an allowed guest list? "Adult", or not?

If you ask me, the only places a non age verified Player will be able to go will be the strictly PG sims.

It's voluntary... Right. Like breathing is voluntary. Unless all you do is hang out in PG sims, it's going to be mandatory, soon enough.

Its kinda dependant one what the definitions for Mature and Adult will be.

If it is required, the sim as a whole won't need to be labelled, only the parcel the poseballs are in.

I'm rather curious as to what the threshold for Mature into Adult will be because at the moment its looking like mature will be almost indistinguishable from PG.

In my opinion its impossible for you to have SL Sex without it being sexually explicit

And unless you are SL masturbating you always have at least one person besides you viewing your "content".

Hopefully LL makes an exception for this ..

maybe, but You cna do what i and my partner did to safeguard from that; we have installed a security orb at set it around our home only so no curious types can wander in and do the try it out thing.

I betcha the people who make security orbs are gonna start making a major profit on this ruling...

What they really should do is just get rid of the 'Mature' rating altogether. In SL, it seems that for the most part, 'mature' IS 'adult'. Too many people are confused about the difference... I know I am!

Actually, what am I saying? THE ENTIRE GRID SHOULD BE MATURE. If, by definition, we're not allowed into SL unless we're over 18, then it's a MATURE GRID.

Since it's required to ensure such a parcel is in a Mature sim, even if they're in a private area, presumably the same would apply to Adult as well.

I would guess that pose balls in private and reasonable closed off (meaning, not purposefully open to the public) structures can have sex objects in them without requiring them to be flagged as adult.

Wouldn't they try to make it similar to RL? People can perform any sex acts in their own place and not be raided by the police as a house of prostitution. Why would they make it different in SL?

My feeling is that the poses themselves do not constitute explicit sexual content. Two naked avatars using them is what constitutes the explicit sexual content. Keep your pixel slapping behind closed doors and a security orb or in a skybox and all is good.

I agree with you on this stuff but someone could probably AR you for doing it.

Hopefully the Lindens agree with reasonable attempts to be descrite on unflagged parcels.

Given that Robin's 'clarification' post on the subject of verification only reiterated what they've already told us before (twice!), I suspect that this may be the only definition we get:



That would seem to include anything you do in the privacy of your own home. I do wish that they would actually clarify, ie, provide further details, because in some cultures showing you hair is considered overtly sexual, never mind the nudity included in skin ads and art nudes. Point being, the information they've given us to date is far too open to interpretation to have a reasonable expectation of success....we're probably going to end up with a lot of areas that the Lindens don't consider adult marked that way just to be safe, and people who are unwilling to verify consequently leaving the grid because they can't get to the places they want to go. The remaining residents might enjoy lower lag, but it doesn't make sense from a business standpoint.

I don't think that'll be acceptable.

I think you have to bear in mind that the basis of the age verification system isn't to cover LL in court - if even sites selling real photographic hardcore pornography can get by with credit card verification, it's difficult to imply they need more.

The problem, however, is that if someone is sued for giving porn to a minor in SL, it will either be the landowner (probably a private individual) or LL, and both of those stand to lose a huge amount in terms of reputation and position if they are sued for a sex related offense - and they will already have lost that reputation before the judge even sits down. Porn companies don't care - they're public by choice about being a porn company anyway - but LL wouldn't look too good to potential investors and real-world firms, and an individual woudn't look to good to their employer, friends, and family, if they were sued for a sex offense.

So LL are simply trying to stop the problem before it starts. In other words, the aim is to make sure that a minor never even sees pornography (which is a better goal in moral terms too, of course) - not "oh they saw it but it's ok because something something something". So "oh they saw it but it's ok becuase they chose to by sitting on a poseball", "oh they saw it but it's ok because they broke into my private house to do it", "oh they saw it but it's ok because it was only for 30 seconds before they got ejected", etc. are unlikely to be acceptable. The problem is that "oh they saw it..." is enough to start the legal process, and the "..but it's ok.." won't be heard until the judge sits down, by which time people know that the landowner and/or LL are suspected pornographers - which is unacceptable to both of them.

I have a few rental skyboxes that I run. I'm on PG land. I allow the tenants to use sex balls inside of their skyboxes. Somebody can come and AR them... but I suspect LL would just throw out such nonsense ARs.

The problem is, there is no such thing as "Behind closed doors" in SL, unless you own and control an entire private sim and lock it away from the rest of the grid while you and your guests are using the pose balls.

No matter what security orbs I use, no matter what locks I place on my building, no matter what sort of ban lines I throw up, some unverified kid can still stand in the PG-rated parcel three sims over and can cam in and see stuff they should not see.

SL is an over-18 environment. Why not just tag it all as "Adult" and kick out anyone who refuses to verify their age. So what if we drop from 6 million mostly unverified, not-validated users to a mere 30,000 adults that are actually willing to prove that they are adults, and who actually PARTICIPATE in SL... Isn't that where we are heading here?

Seriously, the only thing that will make all this worth doing is if there is some way to not only prevent a non-age-verified minor from setting foot on an "Adult" parcel, but also a way to prevent them from seeing what is on those parcels and clicking on and buying from scripted items in those parcels.

LL said the "Privacy in a pocket" feature request was doable, and that they would look into making an area between 600 and 768 meters that could be completely invisible to anyone not explicitly allowed to see it. Give that to us, and people can move their virtual bedrooms and adult businesses to private pockets that really ARE private, and "behind closed doors".

Actually, this was discussed on the concierge channel recently - that is an explicit TOS violation and is ARable. Use of private areas is no defense against the PG/Mature distinction.

Really?!! If this is true I didn't know it.

what about Mature / Flagged Mature distinction?

so the new unflagged Mature is realy more just like pG 13 + nipples

How about changing PG Mature and Adult to PG, R, and X, like the movie ratings?

This might clear up confusion... I know that while I'm watching an R rated movie, I might see SOME nudity and SOME heavy petting, but I won't see actual penetration or full nudity (at least in a sexual sense)

By this standard, where would a strip club fall? In SL many strippers are also escorts or prostitutes. If the CLUB itself had no sex balls, and escorts had to TP to a different parcel to have sex with their customers, could the club be R rated and the sex parcel be X rated?

Reading all this makes my SL-fun go down very fast.

I even start to assume that my gallery needs to be on on "adult", because there are some nude and half-nude pictures in it (upstairs and all visitors are warned with a notecard about). I see those pictures absolutely not as porno, but with this <bliep> going on one will never know where it ends.

Morwen.

Showgirls was rated X ... was a big deal about it at the time.

Maybe that answers the question

Hehe Not really....

Felix the Cat was rated X but that was back in the 1930's or somewhere. Now we just laugh at that stuff.

I never saw Showgirls... can't say that I know anything about it.

Felix the Cat was never rated X, heh. You are thinking of Robert Crumb's Fritz the Cat from the 70's.

On this subject, it is one of many, many clarifications about what constitutes "adult" that have not been answered.

Daniel said that "adult radio streams" on land should be flagged adult. I would have thought that was mature, after all, they are only words, not images. Wrong. They need to CLARIFY this.

There are plenty of "mature" sims that don't involve any sex. It's more of a language and decency thing from what I've always seen. Not everyone wants to see a bunch of cussing when they're doing stuff in SL!

I think the closest analogy of the new ratings would be

PG
Mature=R
Adult=X

And who would SL masturbate?? Sit on a poseball of your av doing it's thing solo? I don't need to log in for that!!

Interesting idea but I don't think it'll work. Movies are static things and SL is dynamic. Depending on the people (or animals or robots or whatever) on a poseball, what (if anything) they're wearing and what extra parts they're equiped with, it could come out as PG, R or X..

OMG now I'm REALLY confused.

So if 2 avatars are going at it and they have no attachments, no XCite, it's just poseballs, then could it be mature? No 'penetration' is visible. That would be like an R rated movie.

But if the male av has a penis attachment and/or someone has an XCite, THEN it's adult?

"Why not just tag it all as "Adult" and kick out anyone who refuses to verify their age. So what if we drop from 6 million mostly unverified, not-validated users to a mere 30,000 adults that are actually willing to prove that they are adults, and who actually PARTICIPATE in SL... Isn't that where we are heading here?"

I think that is absolutely where we are heading, though I would disagree strongly with the insinuation that my choice not to "verify" means I am not a "Participant" in SL. If your business will survive on the population drop you describe, you'd be in the minority. But I absolutely will NOT "verify" under the conditions LL has presented us so far. Let me buy a verification gamecard at the local game store. I'll show the clerk behind the counter my ID. Anything short of that, not going to happen. And honestly, if SL is over for me, after a month I won't even miss it.