Group disbanded = land and money lost :(

You don't know me or my business, and I'd appreciate if you didn't comment on things you don't know anything about. This isn't about me and you. This is about you berating the poor OP for getting ripped off. No sh*t they got ripped off, they lost their land! Now you feel the need to tell them they paid too much for it in the first place. Listen, I have no angle I'm working here, other than to provide helpful resident answers. I have 0 sq m of land for sale. I have 0 investment in current land prices. I don't care where they are. You need to understand that no one controls land prices other than Linden Lab. No land baron or group of land barons is big enough to do this. You do not understand how things work. There is a demand for land and a supply of land. Where the two meet results in the market price. Yes, some demand is created by speculators and not by your innocent "end-user" but that's how Linden Lab setup this world, to encourage this activity. Let me repeat, I have no vested interest in keeping land prices "high." I am selling no land right now. I'd actually like to see land prices go down myself. I'm just sick of reading yet another troll post by you proclaiming that land is too expensive and that anyone that pays more than x is getting ripped off. And yes, I'm sorry to inform you, Second Life is a capitalist system, this is not a socialist utopia as much as you would like it to be...

Well said Rockwell.

back to the topic, it happened to me last week when i had the same incident with a group i had and 4k meters of land. i deleted 1 member, i left alone myself and after 2-3 days was gone. I wrote to LL for restoring back my land and guess what, no answer yet.

Funny thing is that the land was sold from the group, since the group remained as the parcel own , and someone got that money, i suppose ll.

I am scared to death to thing what would happen if i had much more land in there.

And as someone asked why give it to group and not holding yourself, it helps sometimes to have that extra 10% in land allowance.

<scribbles note to Reagan>

I know Showdog's first group land was sold during a SL divorce. She only co-owns with one other person now because of that. We have a little store on Green. Show owns the front half and I own the back half. The other day we had a naked pervert in the store. I could not eject him from Show's half and had to think of a way to get him over to my half to get rid of him. Luckly the bed he finally sat on naked, and with an erection I might add, I made...I dragged it over to my property and ejected and banned.

I'm wondering... if someone dies, can they will group or individual property to another avatar.

MS

Thank you, I didn't know there was a bonus for group land owners.



Rockwell - I am not trolling, I am just trying to educate people on the fact that they can request different prices and to think about how much they are paying in USD, how much they are paying per prim, and to decide what they think is reasonable. If someone thinks that $100 is a small enough risk for less than 500 prims that is their business I suppose. Again I'd appreciate if you have something to personally tell me then please PM me, do not personally attack me on the forums. I understand that SL is largely capitalistic, I'm just saying it is a shame for those of us that just want to have a bit of fun. SL was not always this way. It used to be about fun and people didn't really care how much $$ they made other than more $L's allowed them to buy more stuff in world or buy more land. I do not call making this world more like the real world progress, what is the point if people have to work as hard at their SL's as they do their first just to do anything at all other than look around and chat? Now new players don't even have the first land option to get a bit of land at a reasonable price, they MUST cater to what the "spectators" as you call them, decide land must go for.

Back to the origional topic, I do think it is a shame that LL hasn't returned the land to the OP. I do think it is unacceptable to allow this kind of land loss to continue, and I do feel bad. I did not mean to be insulting by stating that he was charged too much for his land, just again trying to get the word out that the buyers need to work on trying to get land prices down as well as LL. People should not buy if it goes up too high... I however cannot feel bad for someone loosing that kind of money on land when they paid it in the first place and the TOS clearly states that LL can take your land at any time for any reason with no compensation or recourse. Buying land in SL is a huge risk and the higher the prices go the larger the risk.

Please Rockwell stop making this personal, it is not against you, it is not against anyone specific it is against the system. It is a flawed system because land bots are allowed to exist! Turn PM's on and I'd be happy to keep our disagreement out of the forums! Mine are turned on!

How do you request different prices?

I'd like to request 1,000,000 sq m of land at L$1 per sq m. Any takers?

Is that a serious question? You find land you like that is for sale, and if you don't agree with the asking price contact the owner and make an offer, they can accept or turn it down...just like buying a house and property in RL...

Dead serious! I should be able to buy land at whatever price I think is fair, regardless of what the market is willing to pay!

Exactly so! This is an easy, although somewhat costly (as in annual fee for premium membership), way to ensure that the group stays alive.

You don't have to be Premium to join a group. Creating an alt only costs a one-time fee of US$10.

You are right!

Actually, I was thinking about another use of alts in a group for land ownership: The ability to optimise tier fees (if total ownership is slightly above the tier limit). That's where you need 2 premium members.

I never said you'd be able to I just said that you don't have to settle for paying market prices if you can offer someone less and they accept it. That is how one goes about buying a house and property in RL. The owner sets an asking price, people come and look at it, make an offer (usually less) and they barter back and forth until an agreement is reached or until someone makes a better offer. Why should buying land in SL be any different?

The bargaining for real estate in RL generally involves features of the house and property, such as, the roof is getting old, and the drainage in the yard doesn't look so great in the rain, and there's a liquor store on the corner, and I don't think it's worth what you're asking because I need to fix things. How would one apply this to SL? The flat green isn't perfectly flat enough?

If someone came up to me and said, I see you're selling this flat green lot for $11/sq.m., but I think that land in SL is only worth $5/sq.m., because I've been here since the golden olden days, so please sell it to me for my requested price, I would ask them if they were joking.

"Have you e-mailed [email]support@secondlife.com[/email]? They should be able to get you your land back to you"

Funniest.....suggestion.....ever!!!!

Do we get our land back just by email? I want to see this.....

ok. joking

So did you get your land back at the end ?and how long did that take ? when i mail support they need more than 3 weeks to reply AAAAarrrg

OK for all those who wane know, YES YOU GET YOUR LAND BACK.

just email support and tel them what happened , reply can take up to 3 weeks Aaarrrg , but then you get it back.

linden support is slow but not bad

It's only a 512 sq m bonus. People get that free anyways.

I thought she meant this:



For example, my sweetie and I set up a group last night, each donated our 'free' 512m, and now we have 1126m (not 1024m) available with the 10% bonus.

What I wonder now is if the Linden Lab thinks it's ok that we make groups consisting of our main and one or more alt avatars to be on the safe side? I'm considering doing this myself to be on the safe side but only if LL consents. I hope that a Linden will reply as I really need a correct answer to this question, or if anyone can point me to another thread if LL have replied to this before.

As this is the case, that groups are closed when they hold only one member, we should be both warned before it happens and also the cost for the creation of the group should be refunded to the one that payed for it. All the land and objects, owned by the group, should of course be returned too.

Why not remake the hole group thing so this kind of issues can't occur? A lot of people have to donate land to groups as the system only works well that way right now for certain purposes. For example those who are letting land. Please, build up a safe, working system for this!!!

The whole deeding land issue needs looking into. There are permissions you can't set if you don't deed land. So for example I deed some of my land if people merely want to be able to set their home to the land they rent from me.

However I didn't want to deed the land to a group, I was quite happy being the sole owner, but because my tenants want to (and rightly so) be able to set their land as their home as they live there, I deeded it.

Realistically I think land should only need to be deeded to a group if people are sharing financial responsibilities. For setting other permissions, I as the land owner should be able to allow my tenants to have those rights without deeding the land.

lol This post just rocks!

no its 10% bonus, on top of your 512 bonus.

If you were a non group deeded land owner and were maxed out at 40 dolla level 8704SqMeters, by deeeding you land to the group you get an extra 870 Sq Meters for a total of 9574Sq Meters at the same tier

Well said!!!

I'd like to be able to let land for renting too without deeding it but it seems to be impossible. And if I do deed it anyway I'd have to make sure I'm on the safe side by making an alt avatar a group member to not accidentally lose the land. That's very strange, I think. Why make a whole family of avatars just to be able to let land? There seems to be more you can't let your renters do unless you deed. If I'm right (correct me if I'm wrong!), I can't let them manage the ban and access list of their rented homes, which I want them to be able to do as I want them to be able to choose which friends they want to allow on the land and vice versa so they won't have to ask me for permission.

When starting a group, In order to avoid problems like this Create an Alt, and invite it to the group Immediately. Now, no matter what happens your group will ALWAYS have the requisite two members and You have control of Both of them.

Angel.