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Wilhelm Neumann
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Join date: 20 Apr 2006
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02-09-2007 14:33
From: Carl Metropolitan

But first you have to help yourself.


classic line but i am sorry its not the ban ihave a problem with its the publication of my name on a publicly viewable list that is the responsibility of the site owner not the guy doing the banning he didn't make the software

/shrug

anyhow he has me muted as i said previously and i'm not suer how me dealing with this on an individual basis will get names removed which have no business being there which are not mine because as i said previously this system from what i can see is being abused

if there was no publishing of names for everyone to see it would not be an issue again as said previously i have a right not to be published he can ban me all he wants but the issue is my name on that website NOT the banning

i'm not sure why this is not understood

he has a right to ban me what he does not have a right to do is publish my name just cause he wants to

how is contacting the guy doing the banning going to deal with the real issue of the ability to make information about people (not just me) private instead of public.

next people will be banned due to their sexual orientation or something which will be published which is a clear violation of tos .. big time

i just dont see why you dont see what i am saying

i dont need a modiator i think i am being pretty clear here
i and others have a right not to be published i would appreciate that right be respected meanwhile taht guy can ban me all he likes


as i have already proven that the reasons for my "banning" are "stupid" and not a "legitimate" ban then that is dealt with
now the reason remains WHY is this information published and why is ALLOWED to be published

again remember the banning is not the issue its the transmittion of information which might be true or false that is.

This is not just software to automate banning this is a list a black list of names if there were no website if it was just software etc and each person minded his own business it would be fine but that is not what is going on here!
Travis Lambert
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02-09-2007 14:55
From: Wilhelm Neumann

i and others have a right not to be published i would appreciate that right be respected meanwhile taht guy can ban me all he likes


This is where you are mistaken, Wilhelm. You do not have a right within Second Life to not be published on a 3rd party website. Folks can blog about you if they choose (without your consent), and folks can alert others on their websites that they consider you a problem.

On a blog, typically you can respond back in the form of comments. Likewise on BanLink, you can respond in the form of a dispute. Both are public.

Additionally, I'm having trouble seeing how this has 'ruined your second life' as you claim. If you (or anyone else that would like to verify this) search for your SL name on BanLink, you'll see a number to the far right of your name.

This is the total number of times you've been ejected from any site that participates.

I see that number is ZERO. That means that not only have you never been ejected from the property that banned you (although perhaps he manually erected his banlines) - you have not been ejected from anywhere else within the BanLink system, EVER.

If your concern is strictly having your name listed on a 3rd party website - boy - imagine if that were against the TOS. We'd be having SL Fansites shutting down all over the place. Luckily, that expectation is utterly unrealistic.

While I agree with Carl that the reasons you were banned are personal, and don't belong on BanLink, I find it rather ironic that the ban reason listed next to your name is "Starts drama and spreads rumors" - because stirring the pot seems to be exactly what you are attempting to accomplish here, rather than secure any sort of justice for yourself.

You need to discuss this with the individual that banned you, and come to a resolution there. If you want to debate the pros and cons of distributed ban systems, great. But personal disputes have no place in these forums, and I wont discuss this with you any further here.
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Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
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02-09-2007 15:06
From: Travis Lambert
This is where you are mistaken, Wilhelm. You do not have a right within Second Life to not be published on a 3rd party website. Folks can blog about you if they choose (without your consent), and folks can alert others on their websites that they consider you a problem.

On a blog, typically you can respond back in the form of comments. Likewise on BanLink, you can respond in the form of a dispute. Both are public.

Additionally, I'm having trouble seeing how this has 'ruined your second life' as you claim. If you (or anyone else that would like to verify this) search for your SL name on BanLink, you'll see a number to the far right of your name.

This is the total number of times you've been ejected from any site that participates.

I see that number is ZERO. That means that not only have you never been ejected from the property that banned you (although perhaps he manually erected his banlines) - you have not been ejected from anywhere else within the BanLink system, EVER.

If your concern is strictly having your name listed on a 3rd party website - boy - imagine if that were against the TOS. We'd be having SL Fansites shutting down all over the place. Luckily, that expectation is utterly unrealistic.

While I agree with Carl that the reasons you were banned are personal, and don't belong on BanLink, I find it rather ironic that the ban reason listed next to your name is "Starts drama and spreads rumors" - because stirring the pot seems to be exactly what you are attempting to accomplish here, rather than secure any sort of justice for yourself.

You need to discuss this with the individual that banned you, and come to a resolution there. If you want to debate the pros and cons of distributed ban systems, great. But personal disputes have no place in these forums, and I wont discuss this with you any further here.



i have a right to privacy and yes you are violating it i'm sorry but once you hit that third paryt website you are going into the rest of the world on top of it PLUS your including things whicn cannot be said here or inworld

so is there some reason that my privacy and right to it as a PERSON is being violated? because this is what this boils down to

plus what he wrote is pretty much fiction hehe

now back to what i was saying

and honestly this is with you not him i dont care about him i would like to have my information removed from that site please he can ban me all he likes and he can say what he likes just dont publish it or violate my rights as a person to privacy if that is okay with everyone

also i dont think anyone is really reading what i am saying because they are on that wheel of its a personal issue and talk to him

so please remove any info about me from your site please your not allowed to have it that would be great thanks and bye

arggh..

what is so hard to understand about what i am saying here ?
Usagi Musashi
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In all fairness travis
02-09-2007 15:41
From: Travis Lambert

How many of you have disputed an LL abuse report, and gotten results like that?

The whole point of this 1-way trust & dispute system, is to discourage people from filing frivolous bans, and apply social pressure to those that persist in doing so - without needing some central committee that could abuse their power. Everyone in the system wants to be as widely trusted as possible - but to acheive that, you need to submit bans that actually make sense, and reasonably follow up with any disputes that are filed against actions you take.


Travis in all fairness, I was in your place a few weeks ago, and one person that acted like he was incharge well very cheeky about thinking he has all out power when sending in Abuse reports. Its these num nuts simple minded p people(s) sending in countsless reports makers them the system so screwed up. You have to watch WHO you put on those power listing. The Lindens these days have better thigs to do then follow these ego driven power loving kids. Being on sl for a long time travis i don understand the point your making with problem players on sl. But you also have to look in your group leaders of power of banning to weed out any traces of smart butt too.

Its also common that LLABs Lindens have their favs they speed up Abuse reports and banning. This alone has upset and caused issues around sl.
Sindy Tsure
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02-09-2007 16:08
From: Wilhelm Neumann
i have a right to privacy

Sorry.. Like Meade, I'm confused.

In addition to still not understanding where you want to go that you're now banned from, Travis seems to say that this ban hasn't really impacted you, I'm now also wondering where this right to privacy that you're claiming is established..
Wilhelm Neumann
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Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
02-09-2007 16:12
From: Sindy Tsure
Sorry.. Like Meade, I'm confused.

In addition to still not understanding where you want to go that you're now banned from, Travis seems to say that this ban hasn't really impacted you, I'm now also wondering where this right to privacy that you're claiming is established..


he has published my information to a public website which he owns and operates without my permission
this has nothing to do with banning it has to do with the transmission of information which lord knows what else they have there for people to peruse and gossip about and read and possibly ostricize about

now i have rights and would appreciate that my right to privacy not be violated and that as an individual with those rights they be respected and any and all information about me and related to me be removed including whatever I dont know about

thanks

also while we are at it and you dont understand privacy or what you think i dont have
are you gay?
are you male or female?
how old are you?
have you ever been banned if so where i want to put you on a black list?
how many toes do you have?
do you have any underlying disabilities?
do you smell?
do you like blue?
Sindy Tsure
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Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
02-09-2007 16:55
So this whole long thread isn't because you were prevented from going somewhere, it's just that you don't like that your name was published? This is just you complaining about "your rights on the internet"????

/me also tosses a tasty chew toy to Travis
/me walks away from this thread.
Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
02-09-2007 17:05
From: Sindy Tsure
So this whole long thread isn't because you were prevented from going somewhere, it's just that you don't like that your name was published? This is just you complaining about "your rights on the internet"????

/me also tosses a tasty chew toy to Travis
/me walks away from this thread.


sigh

the information about me and others on that site wil eventually affect us many many many people are entered on that list from what i am hearing and seeing that do not deserve to be there


i'ms are collected without their knowledge and stoerd there

its been admitted that they had to change some of the format because the banlist became a form of entertainment for many many people to gaulk at

the fact that someone can bring up my name or your name or anyones name just to see what dirt they can dig up on them for entertainment value or to possibly use against them is horrible

and it makes me question the integrity of those running such things and the validity of their service

now again i would appreciate it if my information be removed from that site i dont want to be ostracized or barred from places NOW or in THE FUTURE due to a dispute that lasted maybe 24 hours if that its silly and well mean

its been admitted that people will and have trust every site in there without discretion
that the dispute system which i found rather well thin because i couldn't dispute anything realy just enter a single sentance and nothing happened with it is not a dispute system
there is no way off that list
i do not want to be attacked by bands of anti-griefer parties who may or possibly already be members of that service
i would like my information removed because the fact of the matter its its quite clear that the site is not monitored and they dont ahve permissino to have it

sorry if you think that is frivolous may i give you name to one of those bands of thugs and say that you were banned in 2004 from joe blows place for tossing a prim on his land and and forgetting about it?

come now its a small thing wont hurt really will it?

i will just give this name that i found on this entertainment list to the band of thugs that call themselves "anti griefers"


i guess you leave your house unlocked and then cry wolf after you get robbed instead of taking measures to deal with it before it happens?

just from the looks at the way things are viewed it pretty much seems like no one really cares about themselves in the long run

also one small thing how come you wont answer the questions i asked? lol
Strife Onizuka
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02-09-2007 20:22
This topic wasn't appropriate for the forums to start with (Topic targeting a specific user and a private discussion) and has turned into a general discussion.

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