owner of shelter,why????

just so you can figure how it works go type my name in as its on that list that is how it works

so if you dont subscribe to th list but want to see information about your "enemies" or even your friends just type in their names you can pull up all kinda of gossip and "drama" at your whim

i'm not a member of that list either but i found people's names on there who i knew were not griefers just by typing in my friends list

/shrug

anyhow i said i was done but i thought i would just add that since you are asking for help on how to use it

its a public list just click the public access link

SLBanlink is not a griefer tool. It is a tool to combat griefing.



I looked at the entry for you on SLBanlink. I think that your ban is unjustified, and that the reason the banning party gave is… well stupid. What that tells me is not to trust bans from that site. No great problem, as I was not, anyway.



A person making poor use of a tool is not the fault of the creators of the tool. Most people who use SLBanlink use it with care and responsibility. Normally, such disputes can be taken care of by talking to the banning party. Have you tried discussing this ban with him and asking that it be removed?



You will be very disappointed in Linden Lab’s response. They are the reason that systems like SLBanlink exist. The creators of SLBanlink did not decide to open the world to millions of accounts without any verification process. The creators of SLBanlink did not decide to allow essentially unlimited anonymous alts. The creators of SLBanlink did not decide to emasculate the Abuse Report system.

Linden Lab has a vision of cooperative resident government somehow arising from the chaos of the Mainland. Given the tools we have, a system like SLBanlink is about the best we can do.



Have you tried talking with the person who set the ban. Saying something like: “Hey—we don’t like each other. Fine. Stuff like that is going to happen. But you have listed me on SLBanlink for what’s essentially a personal dispute—not an issue of griefing. Why not remove me? It’s good for you, good for me, and good for the community.”


Okay—how do you propose that be done? Do you want the operators of SLBanlink to investigate and approve every entry into the list? How long would that take? Even a cursory investigation is likely to take about ten minutes. With a couple dozen new bans a day (on average), you are looking at four hours of work each day. Any volunteers?



I don’t see what else we can do. We did not make the world or the policies that govern it. We either use something like SLBanlink, or give up and move to an island. Look--I’ve kept records of donations going back to when I took over NCI. I’m happy to refund any past donations you’ve made. I’m not being sarcastic. This is a sincere offer.

The whole point of the SLBanlink system is for people to ONLY trust the specific sites they know and are comfortable with. The trouble arises when some sites unwisely trust all others by default.

carl the guy is not a reasonable person he banned me like well the minute i asked him to take the wall down. so no i have not talked to him he was harassing me afterwards and stalking me i submitted abuse reports is what i did talking was not in the cards and never was quite honestly the guy is kinda scary and freaky i try really hard to not talk to people like that...

so the answer is no this time i did not talk to him i talked to him a year ago i am like "permabanned" and he just dug it up after a year?

he is unreasonable and continues to be so he is not the kind of person you can talk to i tried and failed long ago and since i dont care if i am banned from his stuf its not an issue

but no i dont talk to people who grief me and that is what he did i would not give that guy any more ammunition then necessary to make up more fiction because that is what he did I IM'D no one he made most of that up i didn't even have a trailer on the lot lol the entire thing is fiction
i report them

as i said i am done that site should not exist ban fine ban as much as you like but not this black list kind of thing

and now i have proven its being abused why do you allow abusers to publish to the list?

as a side note to be a bit fair I likely would not be a partron of those who trust blindely anyhow because my activities are pretty tame. However I will find out soon because there is a builders competition in furness and they are on that list i bet you bottom dollar i am banned due to his entry but i used to past tense go there often...

Please try to talk to him. If he refuses, or is abusive with you, take note of that. If you want the admistrators of SLBanlink to take the extraordinary step of removing a sites ban, that sort of "paper trail" will be helpful. Besides--he might have mellowed. Maybe he's getting laid regularly now

lol no thanks he is kinda scary and i wont go near him with a 10 foot pole lol >>

looks like he is not getting anything regularly or he would not have put my name up there and i dont think he has mellowed look at his reply hehe

he is still angry as hell and i am still reacting to his tactics as usual

he's not a nice person

also there should be nothing extraordinary about removing bogus entries they should be removed regularly? i dont get it i know i am not the only one who is on there that should not be i just found out is all...

All I can say is that NCI does not "trust blindly", nor do any of the few sites we have chosen to trust. You are not banned at NCI, and you are welcome here.

Wilhelm--if you are not willing to make the effort to discuss the matter with the person who banned you, I don't think it is fair for you to expect the administrators of SLBanlink to do it for you. If you try, and he's not reasonable, that's another matter. But if you won't even try, well... I suspect the administrators will have less sympathy.

so i can get griefed more? no thanks all i need is him stalking me ingame again

he is a griefer i had to report him twice i'm sorry but i have done what i was told to do if he was a reasonable person i would not be on that list for that

meanwhile why would i deal with a person who has caused me large problems and stalked me in the past? thrown garbage on my property and who makes up fiction?

do you think that is appropriate if so i'm sorry its not i tend to avoid dealing with people like that if you can't understand that then i'm sorry you really dont get it

the guy is not nice and a griefer i'm not contacting him ingame to make myself more visible to him so that i can be any more of a target then i am already thanks!

yes i can see you guys are running a great service

[12:23] Wilhelm - You need to take this up with ******. I will absolutely *not* override his ban, nor would I override your dispute if ***** asked me to do the same. This is a disagreement between you & him. You're free to file as many abuse reports with Linden as you like, but you will find that 3rd party websites are outside of their jurisdiction. Landowners are free to ban anyone on their own private property for any reason they choose, even if its for wearing the color blue. No one is compelled to justify why they choose to ban folks on their own private property. There is nothing more I can or will do for you here. I am politely requesting you stop harrasing me in IMs, and instead direct your attention towards convincing ******* to lift his ban.


I asked the creator of the service to remove my name and am being told i am harrasing people

great service your running there totaly unregulated and somewhat like your complaint about second life

congrats in duplicating their system on a website ..

lol

really now this is enough


yes its a disgreement between two people and my name should not have been published in the first place or don't you understand that already

this is pretty sad indeed

isn't this what your trying to avoid lack of regulation?
this is your complaint about sl yet you are refusing to regulate your own service and weed out bogus entries
ah well

good for a laugh at this point

*walks away and throws hand up in disgust*

like everyone is saying we dont care about the bans what we do care about is the publishing of them on a public website i couldn't care less about the ban i care about my name being dragged through the mud by fiction!

As much as I sympathsize with your situation posting your in-world disagreements on the forums isnt allowed - you should probably remove at least the names - and probably the repreinted text.

i have no other method of communication lol i tried inworld and was accused of harassment and their system needs major fixing what do you suggest i do? people are purposely making themselves inaccessible on the issue.

Yeah, sounds pretty McCarthy-esque.

(sorry cant resist - with apologies to to a super powered TV series and stuff)

Are you on the list?

I know you're concerned about being griefed by the person who originally banned you if you confront him about the issue - but it sounds like this is the only way the website owner is going to consider your complaint. Perhaps you could get a couple of friends to back you up when you contact this griefer and then if he comes after you and causes you problems, take screenshots and save IM's and/or chat logs and have everyone present file AR's on the person. Having multiple witnesses would give you the solid proof you need that this person is the one causing problems, and Linden Labs would be more likely to warn or suspend the person's account based on multiple reports. If there are repercussions, the guy should leave you alone. He can't grief you if his account gets suspended!

sigh firstly the database does not belong to the guy its belongs to someone else so technicaly i should be going to the owner/operator of the database for inconsistences not the abuser (responsible people usually inforce certain minimum standards..)

next its unreasonable to ask a victim of something to go and deal with the person who is their tormentor. My responsibily lies with saying hay this information should not be here not with investigating it or whatever also like i said that stuff is a year old and he added to it do you think a person like that will be removing it even if i did ask? and if you say yes your kiding yourself and you know it lol

he was reported to LL before but why should i open myself up to grief if i can avoid it dont you think i am being put through enough already? i'm pretty sure that if you were put in a bad situation that suddenly resurfaced like 12 months later after having had to jump through hoops already to get it dealt with that you would not be willing to open yourself up to more hoop jumping..


/shrug

You have been asked by multiple people throughout this thread to take the simple step of contacting the person who banned you, and asking him to remove the ban.

You have refused to do so. Instead, you want the SLBanlink administrators to violate their own policies (and recode the system) simply on your word alone.

Please stop and consider this from their perspective. Is it any wonder people might be getting fustrated with you?

I can assure you that if you had started off this with a private message to the SLBanlink adminsitrators--after having spoken with the person who banned you and failed to reach any resolution--you would be a lot further along.

What I'm saying is that if you've contacted the owner/operator of the website that has the database, and that person refuses to do anything about it unless you contact the griefer, you've kinda hit a wall. It stinks, and no, it's not fair, but I don't see any other way out.

yes its their site and their database therefore its their responsibility to investigate since they refuse to investigate then there is a problem here.

i'm sorry but that is something that has to be understood and if he refuses to remove the name what then? will they then remove the name? the answer is no so. we are back to square one

i think people are just trying to be obtuse about it and shrug off responsibility i'm sorry but that is not quite right. A service is being offered please do it properly and responsibly or dont do it or your just causing issues for yourself and others around you

their policies is to operate a black hole dumping ground for names reasons pfft who cares just lets publish any old thing we want without any work on our part to make sure it meets at least minimum criteria

Got it. You are going to do nothing at all to resolve the situation; instead you are going to just complain and insult people. The person who originally banned you cited the following reason: "starts drama and spreads rumors." As the thread continues, I'm coming to believe he was correct.

I would agree that the notion of this shared banlist service sound problematic, but on the other hand you have to realize that these are people reacting to a very real problem and doing it for free. You meanwhile are demanding that people to conform to your rules and are being rather oblivious to reality.

I don't get it.. Did this one person banning you make it so that there are a lot of other places you can't go? If so, take it up with the other places you want to go.

My (possibly flawed) understanding of SLBanLink is that although one person may trigger you to be banned from multiple places, the land owner of any of those places can remove you from their individual ban list. If there's somewhere you want to go, ask the owner if they can unban you.

What's the big deal? Is there some unique place in SL that this one guy is keeping you from?

i'm not insulting anyone not once have i insulted you nor have a spread a rumour. the fact is that i was told that nothing would be done so if this guy refuses to take my name off the

i have just received an im from the database creator saying "i will not remove the name you have to make that guy remove it" that is a no so even if i do contact that guy it wont do any good now will it?

so believe what you want i already got my answer read it for yourself i posted it

of course he is correct i mean my gosh lets try to start something and drag some guys name through the mud some more so he can react to it and get this bunch of guys to see my side

this is a situation where no matter what i do i will look bad so i might as well say my piece
and i anticipated this response last night and am surprised it took people that long to get to it.

shrug i have no rule i dont use the service i'm asking for crap about me to be removed from a website that isn't true

of course me asking will make others point and see "see look drama queen" so what is the appropriate action?

there is none i have as i said last night like 3 choices

1) keep quiet put up with it and maybe eventually leave the game as my gameplay is ruined?

2) seek legal assistance?

3) try to get something done about it from the creators of the database?

and now i am going in circles cause peopel aren't reading the beginning of the thread so time for me to exit its all there now have at it believe what you want or dont

i'm banging my head agains't a wall i can see that so i will wait for step 2 to be done before i get real world advice i guess?

i actualy did everything on that list already save one contact a guy i know who will answer no to so why bother?

Contact the person who originally banned you. Talk to him. Try to resolve the situation in a calm and reasonable manner. If that fails, then talk to SLBanlink administrators. If you are worried about a "he said; he said" situtaion, do what another poster proposed, and keep screen caps of the conversations. If the person who originally banned you is unreasonable, and the administrators of SLBanlink refuse to do anything about it (which I highly doubt will happen) IM me inworld, and I will mediate for you.

Please note: I will not do anything if you are not willing to first take the simple steps outlined above. I am willing to help you. I am sure the administrators of SLBanlink would be to.

But first you have to help yourself.