owner of shelter,why????

ok ive just been banned from the shelter for 2hrs,ok i must of done something wrong.but if i did i wasnt told id done wrong just booted out.all i did was use a bubble wand on the dance floor,is this a hanging offence??? i mean having abit of fun? im new to this, no one said anything to me about doing wrong.but i must have,can someone plz explain?

Are you sure you were banned? The shelter sometimes crashes due to overcrowding of the sim and everyone gets blown out. Could that be what happened to you?

Surely it would be best to IM him and discuss this privately.

i dont know who he is other wise i would,and no it was a ban even said so.am i missing something here? as i said im new so i have no idea what ive done.or havnt done for the matter.as for im the owner id rather do it here in public, so if i have done wrong people can learn from it.

If you pull out and use something that looks like a weapon, you are likely to get banned in most places in SL. Try talking to Travis Lambert who runs the Shelter. He's usually quite reasonable.

Travis is like the poster dog for reason.

Most likely some kind of mistake is involved, or there were extenuating circumstances or perhaps confusing you with someone else. Definitely talk to Travis. I doubt he would ban anyone without good reason or without telling them why, unless it was a gross and obvious violation.

Were you naked or showing genitalia? The Shelter is a PG area -- though I've seen nudity there and it usually causes repeated warnings before anyone takes any actions. (They're used to newbies who can't operate SL well, so they tend to be VERY patient.)

A wand shouldn't cause trouble. Scripts are inhibited, so it wouldn't do anything anyway. Unless the wand was visually offensive, I doubt it would cause any concern. A huge snoman or zebra dancing in the line doesn't ruffle any feathers, so why should a wand?

Cheers, and I hope you work this out.

Oh, that was you I hit with the zebra butt. So sorry.

A

Hi Storm!

First off, when someone gets temporarily removed from the Shelter, they get a popup message that contains how long the ban is for (in your case, 2 hours), along with the name of who issued it. You have to click 'ok' to close the window, just so you dont miss it. But I understand you still might have missed it regardless. SL is pretty overwhelming when you're new to the world.

That message is intended to give you the ability to IM that person, and ask why. Sometimes, the ban can simply be a mistake, and can be corrected immediately if an understanding is reached.

Under normal circumstances, I strongly suggest to our admins that its preferable they send an IM to the person first, and give them a chance to behave. Unfortunately, the Shelter is so crazy-busy sometimes that the IM-courtesy doesn't always happen.

By now, the ban is already lifted, as its been way more than 2 hours I'm not sure why it was originally issued, but if you'd like to IM me in-world, I'm happy to let you know who removed you, so you can discuss it with them. Either way, of course you're welcome back - that's why it was only a temporary duration

Also, here's our house rules, just in case this helps:

(bubble-wands are EXTREMELY particle spammy - see rule 2)

Don`t the drama ever stop in that place?????????????
With the world bigger then ever there are better places to be then there.

Thanks for your support, Usagi!

Yes... yes you are.
The Shelter is a great place for new players to go..

Travis, please remind me next time I stop by to make a donation on Usagi's behalf.

Thank you,

A

Hi I'm gonna post this because I just found something insteresting. I noticed that there is a "tool" put up for tracking bannings across group systems.

I also noticed that the shelter and NCI and other places are on that list that I have used and supported.

Now I typed in my name for the heck of it hehe and a person that I had a land dispute a year ago had me on his ban list and entered me into that system as a "griefer" which I am not.

Now I didn't type the original posters name into that site but I suppose i should before I post this but now I am on a roll. Is it possible that you were banned for some reason on another property and dont remember? and is it possible that the shelter has added you to their list from this site? because it looks like people are using that public banning list system which in my opinion is a great way to cause players grief just cause you dont like them

Anyhow just some input I would contact these people and check it out

also *runs to the site to type in your name now*

curiousity hehe

bye

also I got uh "ejected/banned" from my own land today hehe I wasn't really but there is some kind of wierd bugs going on that is for sure. I was just standing there and i suddenly went up in the sky and got a system message that i was banned i was puzzled and went back and all was fine anyhow the server is quite full you might want to just ignore that unless you try another day and find you can't get in

The Shelter does indeed exchange its banlist with other new-resident helping organizations, including NCI. However, only permanant bans are exchanged. Temporary bans, such as in Storm's case, are not. The vast majority of bans we have to issue at the Shelter are of the temporary kind.

The site you're referring to is a free banlist-exchange service, rather than a global banlist. Similar communities can choose to trust each other's bans, but because each community is often very different, 'circles of trust' are typically small.

That site offers a dispute mechanism, where you can log your disagreement with your ban if you choose. I'd strongly suggest you register a dispute if you feel you were banned unjustly. If other sites chose to trust the location that banned you, they'll see that dispute - and may either override it for their site, or choose to stop trusting the site that banned you alltogether if they agree with your reasoning.

Hope this is helpful, and good luck!

Travis is a fine dog indeed, and a very nice guy.

However, I do not like this ban list, or the sharing of it. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I still do not like it at all.

coco

okay i started to fill in the info but thought meh it wil just be the guy that put my name on there. hehe I never once even entered his land even and have not been there since I was forced off my land .. So i'm not sure why he would put me on a public list however if its an impartial third party then I will submit the info.

See the thing is I dont care if he banned me or if its just or not hehe its his land he can ban me what I am having an issue with is the fact that he has published it on a site like that? I'm a good player I dont grief and I help out people and have in the last few weeks applied to become an SL mentor yet some guy hates me so he published my name on a community list?

I can see in his eyes it may be just he doesn't like me He was on my lists for a few months as well due to that experience but I forgot his name when I Moved and then i figured it was long ago and it was no big deal so removed him. So in the end it was a mutual hatred but the purpose of that site is to share names of griefers not to share names of people you just dislike and so dont want them on your land hehe

anyhow its being abused from what I can see if its got community access. Some guy might take over the lists at NCI and ban me for what? where spent months at and whatnot and just didn't rejoin after that guy entered the group and booted everyone.

Anyhow I dont think that information should be shared like that its like shooting first and asking questions later. Others aer using that site just as a means of referance and typing in names from what I am seeing for all i know next week i could be banned from 20 sandboxes or something like that just cause of a personal grudge..

SO i dont even know if i can't say that the banning was not justified its his place I dont want to go there and he dislikes me and can ban me if he wants but that doesnt make me a griefer etc?

SO i will put in my claim i guess?

edit: oh great my appeals process is publicly published as well? grr appeals are not supposed to be aired on public websites who set this up lol?

Now a strange thing happened to not just me but the entire population of Taff's Club last night. We were suddenly told we were no longer allowed there and had 15 seconds to leave .. poof! there I was lying in a gully .. IM-ed three friends who were with me there including the manager and they'd all had it too. I was strapped for time so logged out standing at the new banline.

Guess the gully was a non-rezzed waterway and it was an island? Shall investigate tonight.

***pats***** the doggie.don`t get in his dog house hehe

Pats the doggie and gives him a meat full bone awwwww

bloody hell ive opened a can of worms! lol as i said im new ive been in world 3 times no other bans anywhere............................. all i wanna know is whhhhyyyyyyyyyy lol so i dont do it again. lol is it always this hard in sl? ive run gaming clans a forums b4 and it was never this hard.lol so it wasnt travis who banned me then? can anyone ban anyone they like in sl? how many admins are there for the shelter? there was only about 7 people there at the time,mostly french and german i think.can they ban me?

Anybody that own land is free to decide who they want or not to access it, with or without reasons and can also give this right to other peoples.

Wilhelm, the SLBanlink system works on two levels. Bans placed by property officers (at places like NCI or the Shelter), and bans accepted from other sites in the system. Each SLBanlink member location can choose what other sites it will trust bans from. Some sites have established very expansive trust lists, trusting all sites, unless given a reason not to. Some are selective, only trusting a few sites whose owners and management they know and trust.

Either strategy can be appropriate, depending on the site. NCI for example, gets a moderate amount of griefers, but only rarely is hit with organized attacks. We have gone with a very selective trust list, trusting only a few other locations. Other places seem to attract wave after wave of organized griefers, and in order to protect their own ablity to function have chosen to trust all bans unless given a reason not to.



I looked at SLBanlink. You are not currently banned at either NCI or the Shelter. You are more than welcome to rejoin NCI at any time. The group remains open enrollment. As long as you follow the rules of NCI, I don’t see any reason you would be banned. I remember you from NCI and don’t imagine you would have any problem with them.



You can dispute any ban on SLBanlink. This was done to allow maximum transparency. That’s not the same thing as an appeal of the ban. The best way to appeal a ban is to follow the normal procedure at the place you were banned at. In the case of NCI, someone would be asked to talk to the banning NCI Land Officer. If they can’t reach an agreement with that person, then they can appeal to the NCI Board of Directors.

As for appeals being aired on public websites--well, LL has no control over what is published or discussed on non-LL websites, and have never claimed that their forum rules cover any sites other than their own.

carl the issue here is that fact remains that site can and will be used as a griefing tool. My name was likely added for just that reason. The story is not a nice one suffice it to say I had to give up land and pay money for new land due to certain actions. Now this list is publically available and absolutely no investigation is going into the integrity of the submissiosn to the site. There seems to be no way off the list.

Bottom line I have done nothing wrong and rules wel I dont use guns and am pretty quiet and a geek builder who cleans up after myself just as a reflex. However since there is no real criteria for this list its going to be abused.

There are groups out there that wil join just to get access to these lists to grief ingame. I dont want my gameplay and time runined in game because of some silly thing that happened like a year ago. Bottom line if i start encountering problems as a result of listings on that site I wil have to deal with it some way and get my name removed from the database

publishing information like this without any real research is quite honestly irresponsible. I dont care what lists you subscribe to or dont or "trust' the fact is the information is there to be used and abused BY ANYONE.

I think its appauling and poorly thought out. Non profit groups and others who are supposedly to be a positive influence on this community subscribing to and in fact putting up a list which has little or no investigation onto the names being pumped into it.

peoel can join I can join anyone can join with a group or land I fall in that class and put up the names of people i hate. Would that be a nice use? this is what is happening here. PLUS you admit that groups on taht list are using is as a blanket list without looking into any of the offenses. Honestly its completely irresopnsible and may explain why I am "banned" from places that i shopped at and donated money to

its terrible

and if LL has no control over it I guess since my gameplay will likely be affected i have only three possitilities

leave sl for good because people aer acting irresponsibly with the transmission of information ?? (probably the most likely and a sad thing to think that people will be forced from the game due to abuse of this tool which can and will happen heck it already has lol)

take action legally? ?? ( i hope not if people are forced to do that its because their gameplay is being ruined)

ask that you guys start screening the entreis for legitimacy??? (will you do it i hear a lot of excuses about "trusted" stuff that doesn't stop the anti "griefer groups" from griefing or individuals entering names just due to silly things that were not even grief for others to misuse!)

The site owners do have some responsiblity here I dont know who runs that database but that will likely be my first step is to get the information in case i start getting griefed ingame as a result of this bogus entry!