Second Life Sued For Allowing Sale Of Impostor Virtual Goods

Thanks. I read the locked thread and parts of the ongoing one across the street. It seems like conspiracy theory there is coming from the same source as here: Lias (who posts over there with her alt BladyBlue).

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Not entirely. A couple folks claim to have direct knowledge that the suit was requested by LL... and one or both of whom may well be in a position to have such knowledge. I'm not discounting their claim (although they're responding as if I were challenging it). Despite it all supposedly having been explained earlier in the thread, however, I still don't understand the way that's intended to work, and I floated some trial balloon conspiracy theories--labeled as such--to try to probe further. Among other confusing things:
One would think. There's now a theory that LL wants a suit so any settlement would be covered by insurance. At first that sounds like defrauding the insurance company, but for all we know, the insurance company may want the suit, too, to get this settled now before their exposure is even greater. I have no idea if courts are accustomed to being used this way--IANAL, so I keep trying to bait Trout into posting on that thread again.

The only people who know the truth are not able to speak. The background to this and the outcome will be speculated on as a timewaster for a long time yet.

That thread has a vein of people maligning Stroker and Munch because they believe this suit will close SL. That fear stops them from acknowledging that the theft that is occurring on a daily basis is not being properly handled by LL and that this suit is proper and that we will have to live with the result - whatever the outcome. Some of those people are close to each other in rl as well as sl and they are taking it personally when their friends are being ascribed base motives.

The conspiracy theorist in me does almost believe that LL did go "so sue" because it's well within behaviour patterns and if M and Stroker were cosying up together a month ago then it's possible this is some kind of attempt to get this sorted once and for all (or at least until the next case).

Certainly the more I think about it the more inclined I am to believe that LL knew about this suit well in advance and their decision to start their content management discussions stemmed directly from it.

I suppose the only thing we can surmise is that if there's a settlement it probably wasn't collusion and if it goes to court then there could be an element of collusion ascribed to the parties or perhaps the opposite way round.

As far as I can see the only facts that are known are that the suit has been lodged and that anyone who holds a registered copyright or trademark and has been a victim of theft and the poor response by LL can join it.

The rest is just killing time until the next drama in the ether.

Thanks. I started to skip some replies to the still-open thread when it got bogged down by sniping. I will go back to it and look.

One issue that needs to be considered by conspiracy theorists: If such theories are true, either 1) the attorney(s) for Stroker and Munch are committing fraud upon the court, which would be a breach of ethics; or 2) Stroker, Munch, and LL are filing a suit in federal court for improper reasons, which would leave them open to charges of frivolous litigation, among other things.

Just the lawyers' time in writing and presenting the complaint and LL's answer takes considerable money. It also may provide LL with negative publicity if it becomes news, with the future of content creation undecided until the suit is resolved. I doubt LL would throw money away or welcome such uncertainty over such a crucial piece of its business. And the suggestion that it would do so because it fears taking actions against its userbases' wishes is contrary to LL's past actions that caused an uproar against it (open accounts, pruning back and now closing this forum, openspaces, Zindra, etc., etc.). I can't see why LL would use a federal lawsuit as subterfuge for making a course correction now, and I can't believe Stroker and Munch would be complicit in helping the Lab do so.

ETA: I also don't see how the idea of a conspiracy meshes with Stroker and Munch's request for class certification. If a class is created, it will open the door for others to join in the suit, and a lawyer for the class will have to be appointed to represent all the classmembers' interests. If this will all sham by LL, for whatever purpose, I would think LL would not want Stroker and Munch to request the creation of a class. It, along with nearly everything else about this conspiracy theory, doesn't add up to me.

IANAL either, but I don't believe this one for a second. NO one asks someone to sue them! Even LL isn't THAT dumb.

At MOST, there may have been discussions between the parties prior to the suit being filed. They might have broken down, and ended with something like this:

"Well, Mark, I'm sorry we don't see eye to eye on this. We're going to have to talk to our attorneys, I'm afraid."

"That's your privilege, of course, Stroker. And if that's the only way we can settle these issues, then so be it."

Content is already "registered": the system knows who uploaded what textures (and anything else) and exactly when they did it. And the only people who can sell the (legitimate original, or pirated copy) objects already are registered users with payment information on file. (Well, actually, those are the only ones who can cash it out, and since the system traces all the transactions, LL knows who is doing what).

Your suggestion is not any kind of technical solution to preventing copying (which is pretty much impossible), or making it harder to do; and it's already how things work now.

The point is: it's not a technical problem. It's an issue that LL has to deal with in a procedural and legal context. That's where the failure is.

Is this event open the public, and will the avi shapes be on sale at the venue? And is it mod? I'd like to drop a color changing script into the nose that will be tied to the typing animation...

well this is what i know:
1. people did and in fact stole sex gen created Bimbo Cheerleader beds at a yardsale one by one, selling more than eros did at highly discounted price alongside full perm sinewave dances among other things so The Old Man's content WAS stolen.

2. when one of his pals and business associates mentioned The Old Man's name to me a few weeks ago and and i responded with the classic "The Eros and Sex Gen brands are like unflushed turds waiting for somebody to hit the handle on them stinking thangs so they can make their way to the water treatment plant". his pal responded something to the effect that "OH NO! The Old Man is coming with soething SUPER SECRECT that I cant tell you about that will revitalize those brands, return The Old Man to relevance inthe rl press and throughout Second Life, and that YOU (JUMP LANE) are just gonna love IT!

3. The Old Man's closest business associates, and estate managers at his SexGen islands ARE content thieves. The head of The Bimbo Cheerleaders taught the the head of the now defunct Mountainmeister LLC (they ran sims for the rl Jenna Jameson) how to steal Redgrave skins which they passed all around the grid and between Eros minions and employees EVEN SLUT MAG EMPLOYEES (gasp, the horror, SUE ME, PRETEND LIKE I"M MAKIN THIS UP).

So, I conclude that The Old Man, though a legit victim, IS NOT a champion of content creator's rights. Rather, just seeking publicity for himself and his dying brands.

I side with The Lab on this one because I LIKE THE STATUS QUO. I hate it when Lindens feel the need to meddle on the grid (and I'd guess theyfeel like meddling NOW). Let's hope Second Life isnt hurt toO much by all this: AND ALL THE VILLIANS GET THEIR JUST DESERTS!

Not all that secret unless there's more than what's public (besides the lawsuit): an in-world "Eros Mall" as a magnet to a separate grid (or something; not sure if it's to be OpenSim-based or some completely different Redlight-like contraption, I just didn't care enough to notice).

You know: cuz there's such a shortage of segregated adult content in Second Life.

But, Jumpy... hope you're sure of your sources. One thing we know for sure is that Stroker knows his way to the lawyer's office.

THE LAWSUIT WAS SECRECT A FEW WEEKS AGO. hehehe. unless they meant that new eros conqest thing lol. all the principles involed ARE my sources. they KNOW the truth. and dont have the means to hide the evidence

Really? I see smart people being stupid every time I open a newspaper. And, as it happens, a police officer friend of mine reckons that smart people who turn to crime (as opposed to smart professional criminals) are usually pretty easy to catch, since knowing they're too smart to get caught usually leads them into pretty elementary mistakes.

Damn, Jumpy, that's the longest coherent message I've seen you post. You're letting your style slip.

hehehe u obviously dont read all my stuff lmao jine thishere group

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Friends of The Lab. It is not AGAINST that tard the OLD MAN fiddling with the metaverse but rather just to show our support for SL, LL and our virtual world! I mean there really is no point to boycott those hypocrytical eros people because noone buys their crap anyhow lol. My pal Djquad Radio founded thsigroup

End result once the dust settles is that SL will be legislated, incomes will be surveyed, money transfers to Pay Pal will be reported and the IRS will nail every last penny for income tax.

Thats the day i leave SL.

Umm.. you already should be reporting any income from SL to the IRS. <.<

lol taxes with a u$ that is worth half an €, I can use my time better.

If you don't report your SL income, you can't claim your business expenses/losses for it

True, dat.

I already report my earnings. Once it hits Paypal it's real money and has to be reported.