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Samm Submariner
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06-02-2007 03:09
Well, I've been in SL since the blog, and instead of the open friendly environment it used to be, embracing all creeds, thanks to Daniel Linden, from many people I've spoken to, there is an overhanging of fear and suspicion.
People are almost scared to leave locked skyboxes in case they are spotted by maurading groups of vigilantes resulting in summary execution from SL (which is what having your account deleted effectively feels like).
LL - was this your intent, to turn SL from an open accepting environment to one people are now afraid to enter?
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06-02-2007 03:23
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06-02-2007 03:30
SL looks brighter then ever to me! Keep it up Lindens. About time you started to clean things up.
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Leanne Karas
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06-02-2007 03:45
Sounds like someone would like to live in a world where people are affraid to leave the sanctuary of their homes for fear of persecution...
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06-02-2007 03:53
Sick sick puppies these days.
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Broccoli Curry
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06-02-2007 04:17
Have you ever wondered *why* some people are fearful of leaving their locked skyboxes?
I can wander round Second Life with no fear whatsoever, as my behaviour, look or whatever, shouldn't offend anyone.
Unless you have Ereuthrotrichopathophobia of course.
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Warda Kawabata
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06-02-2007 04:27
Sorry, but there's nothing irraqtional about having a fear of broccoli. I shall AR you promptly, should I find you leaving any brocolli in my vicinity. I have every right to live in SL without fear of seeing such filth.
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06-02-2007 04:30
From: Warda Kawabata Sorry, but there's nothing irraqtional about having a fear of broccoli. I shall AR you promptly, should I find you leaving any brocolli in my vicinity. I have every right to live in SL without fear of seeing such filth. Actually, it's a "fear of red hair" above, as that's what my pixellated self has. You're thinking of Broccophobia. Broccoli
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Denise Bonetto
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06-02-2007 04:33
Why would people be scared to leave their skyboxes? Sorry, I really don't understand this.
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Warda Kawabata
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06-02-2007 04:38
From: Broccoli Curry Actually, it's a "fear of red hair" above, as that's what my pixellated self has. You're thinking of Broccophobia.
Broccoli That too gives me the heebee-jeebees.
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06-02-2007 04:39
From: Denise Bonetto Why would people be scared to leave their skyboxes? Sorry, I really don't understand this. My guess is it would be those who don't feel able to actually dress or behave in a manner that is considered appropriate for appearing in public. Broccoli
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06-02-2007 04:46
From: Broccoli Curry My guess is it would be those who don't feel able to actually dress or behave in a manner that is considered appropriate for appearing in public.
Broccoli lol, well if they have some sort of personality disorder that prevents them from leaving the house without dressing, having sex with a child or raping someone, then the time spent in SL would be better spent with a RL therapist 
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Samm Submariner
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06-02-2007 04:47
It isn't just about public areas - Daniel Linden is saying you cannot do anything "broadly offensive" anywhere in SL, even on your private sim, in your private skybox, behind locked doors.
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Broccoli Curry
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06-02-2007 05:04
From: Samm Submariner It isn't just about public areas - Daniel Linden is saying you cannot do anything "broadly offensive" anywhere in SL, even on your private sim, in your private skybox, behind locked doors. Actually, the only thing that the blog post changed is that Linden Lab have now chosen *not* to ignore these things that have always been in the community standards as prohibited. Broccoli
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06-02-2007 05:23
From: Broccoli Curry Actually, it's a "fear of red hair" above, as that's what my pixellated self has. You're thinking of Broccophobia.
Broccoli Are you a ginger kid? shudders and gags jk
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06-02-2007 05:28
From: Chris Norse Are you a ginger kid? shudders and gags Only in pixel form, don't panic. My pixellated self is nothing like the real me, I just think Broccoli is cute. Regards, Brocolli's human
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06-02-2007 07:00
From: Broccoli Curry Actually, the only thing that the blog post changed is that Linden Lab have now chosen *not* to ignore these things that have always been in the community standards as prohibited. That isn't quite true - this is what the Community Standards state From: someone Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M).
This is what the blog says From: someone ....and other broadly offensive content are never allowed or tolerated within Second Life.
i.e. there are activities which the community standards allow on private mature land, which the blog states are never allowed within Second Life. This may be bad wording on LL behalf and they really only meant to confirm that you should keep adult content to adult areas, but it may easily lead to deliberate or inadvertant AR griefing. As an example, shortly after the ageplay blog entry, someone reporting on the forums that they had been on a beach when they had been confronted by a group threatening to AR her for using a child avatar. In fact she didn't regard herself as a child avatar, she had just set her avatar's height to a more realistic 5'1 rather than the default 7'. However she was now worried that she might get her account cancelled for just being short! This isn't just about pixel sex - some people find guns and violence offensive - will they form a vigilante group and start ARing about combat sims and weapon vendors? Presumedly LL will show some common sense over dealing with ARs although mistakes will inevitably happen, but even then, will they be so swamped by people ARing things they don't like or agree with that real ARs will get lost?
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06-02-2007 07:18
From: Broccoli Curry My guess is it would be those who don't feel able to actually dress or behave in a manner that is considered appropriate for appearing in public.
Broccoli Are these the same people who refuse to leave their Mother's basement in RL?
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06-02-2007 07:31
The Providers want to clean up the Public areas? 3 cheers, I'll do my part if I see an offense. They want to make sure we aren't being Naughty in our "Private" areas? Don't like it, but it is their sandbox, it's kinda like God knowing what you do , so Ya pays Ya Money, Ya takes Ya Chances. Fair enough. But the call for residents to be the eyes and ears of the Lindens is frightening. Anyone who doesn't see how this can be horribly abused must be locked up in a skybox. Will there be any due process when you are accused of an offense? Will you have a "Day in Court".Will you even be notified of the alleged offense, or just summarily made to disappear? There are already cases where people have been harrased and blackmailed with alleged moral violations. The announcement as released contradicts the TOS already. Will it be re written? Who wanrs Pie? The hysteria over this has focused on the Sex issue, but it goes well beyond that. The social fabric of Our World is going to change way beyond what Our Imagination could ever percieve. It's being foisted upon us in the name of Community, but I think it will do more to Balkanize us than anything else. It's kinda ironic, Second Life getting Moral to appease the Corporations, some of the most Ammoral entities on the planet. 
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06-02-2007 07:36
From: Broccoli Curry Actually, the only thing that the blog post changed is that Linden Lab have now chosen *not* to ignore these things that have always been in the community standards as prohibited.
Broccoli Since when? Read the community standards again. You are making things up.
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06-02-2007 08:01
Yeah. I actually didn't catch the rather significant policy statement in his post the first time around. But there it is, plain as day. I still hold that certain of the more.. over the top.. activities should have no accomodation anywhere in Second Life, but when I caught what Daniel actually said, I immediately understood what all the FUD was about. It took someone (was it you?) pointing it out to me. From: Colette Meiji Since when? Read the community standards again. You are making things up.
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06-02-2007 08:06
From: Zaphod Kotobide Yeah. I actually didn't catch the rather significant policy statement in his post the first time around. But there it is, plain as day. I still hold that certain of the more.. over the top.. activities should have no accomodation anywhere in Second Life, but when I caught what Daniel actually said, I immediately understood what all the FUD was about. It took someone (was it you?) pointing it out to me. Awww how sweet.. Zaph is making nice with Colette....we are doomed! 
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06-02-2007 08:38
I have no problem with decency standards in PG-rated areas. However my understanding has always been that in Mature areas the standards were up to the sim owners and group(s) running the sim.
It seems there are some badly misguided individuals who want SL to be PG-rated throughout. This is what I am upset about. If my group decides our sim, one rated Mature, should be nudity-friendly, I do not want some prudish busybody telling me to put clothes on.
And some decry the number of threads on this same issue. I hope there are more, for unless we voice our concerns loudly and frequently, we will be buried under by the always vocal moralists.
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06-02-2007 08:41
From: Broccoli Curry Actually, the only thing that the blog post changed is that Linden Lab have now chosen *not* to ignore these things that have always been in the community standards as prohibited.
Broccoli Like lying to keep posting in forums you've been banned from? Hypocrite.
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06-02-2007 08:43
I've seen "Zoning" mentioned occasionally and shouted down like a plague by some. Why? Seems that would solve a lot of problems.
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