Should we have a 5-15 minute delay to reduce the risk of landgrabs due to mistakes

probably the best solution given so far. but it still wont stop some poeple giving away their land

No matter what, where 10s of 1000s of people are involved, there will be those who follow the least path of resistance.

"Sell to anyone" should not be the default setting. The interface itself is flawed. Surely it cannot be more difficult to make "anyone" the least accessible choice as opposed to setting to someone specific.

In the real world, a contract is based on "meeting of the minds". Where land is sold by mistake and bought by a third party, clearly there is no such contract.

The TOS has already been proven in a court of law to have draconian clauses which are not enforceable. I seriously doubt a judge would uphold a sale, where no such meeting of the minds occurred. A few words in a floater window, does not a contract make.

I dont claim my idea to be a cure all I only expect it to prevent the constant whining abou OMG a land bot stole my land!!! OMG what can I do??

Even if there was a delay, you would still have people making mistakes, then starting threads like: "I set my land for sale, 5 minutes later someone stole it for $1L"

in SL a contract is based on a click of a button. they clearly state once you click confirm there is no going back. to buy a plot of land takes about 10 clicks, and there are still mistakes made. there is simply no hope for some people

What planet are you from?

A contract is an agreement between TWO parties. Not one before the fact.

That may be how transactions happen, but that does not in itself make it a legal contract by lawyeristic standards.

im on earth in 2007, where a contract can be agreed at the touch of a button.

i am guessing you live in the 1940s and still own a quill then

You are no lawyer.

In continuously making uninformed statements and rude comments, your behavior here is less than civil.

Your version of a contract is dead wrong.

I am waiting for the day when some hotshot California lawyer challenges this. It would be one hell of a class action, oh yeah. Alot of people have been burned by this pathetic policy and the TOS is far from iron-clad.

Just like the "arbitration clause", the land sale floater is equally as broken.

I would suggest a

" <name> has offered to buy your land @ <location> for <amount> do you wish to complete the sale?"

If you say yes ... the land is sold .... if you say no the land isnt sold.

After all the land is still the owners UNTILL the selling contract is completed.
It should alllow 0 sales and kill land bots snapping up the land due to user mistakes.

Marty

I would like:

a) A delay. A significant one, about an hour - I think that a longer period than five minutes may be necessary due to SL's current functionality and the possibility of being locked out for five minutes.

b) A pop up dialog asking if you wish to sell to a given person. Failing that,

c) Barring people on one's ban list from purchasing the plot.

Of course, I'd also like a pony...

Implementing a popup dialogue requiring the seller to agree to sell their land to Joe Avatar when Joe Avatar clicks on the land parcel to buy it sounds like a great idea for private sales. It would be a bit of a problem for your run-of-the-mill land traders who would be stuck clicking on dialogue box buttons all day long. Maybe make such a sale confirmation dialogue box a default option that could be bypassed so that land dealers could get on with their second lives rather than being reduced to the level of a rat in a Skinner Box?

But but but - everyone else is...

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I agree a bypass option should be included. I also think that if an email prompt should be send on a land offer so people can be poked to log in and accept or decline it.

I'm the one that voted for 1 to 6 hours. If you're doing a major land sale you need to be 2,000% sure you got all your ducks in a row...plus there's the aspect of "seller's remorse".

Either way someone will just find a new way to use the system to their advantage and people will just complain about that instead of landbots.

And this goes to show what is wrong with our court system. Any lawyer who brings such a case should be disbarred, any judge who would hear such a case should be impeached. A person has to make an effort to put land for sell, ok lets give them a window to check for mistakes. But in the end it is still that person's mistakes that cause the land to be sold for the wrong price (actual system bugs noted).

That works for me, I'm sure people would still make mistakes and we'd still have tales of woe but the added option of the confirmation dialogue added in parallel with an option to bypass this process seems a very good compromise.

Please make your JIRA proposal a combination: A short delay, which could be only the period in which the seller peruses a popup box setting out the details of the supposed transaction and an accept-or-reject? option to check off, AND not making sale-to-anyone the default option because it is obviously the riskiest option.

That should eliminate the overwhelming majority of these unwanted land-swoop sales. Such a basic and important transaction for SL should not be made so unnecessarily dangerous to the participants.

I think the best solution to solve this is like in RL case, where you get two attorneys to represent the buyer side and seller side and they both review the price and all the terms is correct before the deals is close and we will have no mistake and we will have all the legal options when something went wrong. LOL

You're missing the major point. People are losing land to landbots because they either do not know they exist, or do not realize how fast they can act. You can have your buyer standing right next to you and be the only 2 people in the sim surrounded by empty sims, with your buyer's finger waiting to click 'buy' as soon as you click 'sell', and the landbot will still take it. If you've never seen it happen, you can't imagine how fast it is. The landbot can complete the purchase faster than you can get your finger off the mouse from clicking sell. Even if there was only a 30 second delay before the land went into the search listing, it would stop most of these landbot swoops from happening. Asking for more confirmations from the seller isn't going to help if the seller doesn't realize how fast the bots can act and believes that the only person with a chance of buying is their intended seller.

Then why dont people read twice what they typed and wait five minutes before they click on the sell button? That requires no change and could take effect immediately. Why are people in such a hurry to click on the sell button when it's their money on the line?

Another great suggestion any short delay in the land listings would be great, even if it was a minute or so. I don't see what would hurt. It would've stopped some of the mistakes that happened in the past that were not intentionally meant to be sold on the market.

I voted for 6 hours.

I also like the option for the seller to receive a message/pop box that ask to "accept" or "decline", like when we receive inventory offers.

Can anyone help me to create such a poll please?

I agree, it would/could still happen, that's why I like the option of maybe an extra box to tick, so we can agree or disagree once someone buys it, we could receive an email, as well as a popup message in SL.

To make everyone happy, we could have this as an option, maybe enable as a standard setting, so for people who don't want to use the option, they don't have too.

I would like to make a poll, anyone?

YES