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Wilhelm Neumann
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08-04-2007 18:58
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
I'm not sure what signs you are reffering to, but now that you mention it, yes, I do recall using the word bank in a couple of places. Specificaly I remember having an old slogan saying something along the lines of "Your Second Life Savings Bank". Honestly, I don't think it makes any difference.



well i dunno who put that ad in there but its recent as in i just took the snapshot.. like well 1 minute before the post..
Nicholas Portocarrero
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08-04-2007 18:58
From: VooDoo Bamboo
Your not responding your trying to cover your ass. Say it for what it is and stop trying to sugar coat everything. Your in over your head. I would bet that most of these people would have alot more respect for you if you would just admit that your in over your head and be done with it instead of attempting to BS them more.

Its like the old saying goes...

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

Stop BS'ing everyone. They are not going to get their money back.


If you want to use one definition of bank, then Ginko Financial most certainly is a bank. If you want to use another definition of bank, then Ginko Financial most certainly is not a bank. It's not sugar coating, BSing or anything of the sort.
Nicholas Portocarrero
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08-04-2007 19:00
From: VooDoo Bamboo
LMAO looks like the word BANK to me! Ass Clown. Got some more BS for us?


You are right, I forgot I used the word bank on that ad. Now what? What does it actualy matter?
Colette Meiji
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08-04-2007 19:00
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
I'm not sure what signs you are reffering to, but now that you mention it, yes, I do recall using the word bank in a couple of places. Specificaly I remember having an old slogan saying something along the lines of "Your Second Life Savings Bank". Honestly, I don't think it makes any difference.


Bull Excrement.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/bank



At the time you started this little mess you called a Bank the VAST majority of SL residents were from the United States.

Americans are still the Largest country of origin amound Second Lifers.

PLUS - I think theres a lot of countries with similar laws.

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I cant beleive you didnt know the word "BANK" meant more than "High Risk Investment Fund" from a trust standpoint.

I dont beleive it.



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Now Voodoo is right no one should have believed your scheme was a "Bank" but the name does mean something to people.
Rocketman Raymaker
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08-04-2007 19:03
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
You are right, I forgot I used the word bank on that ad. Now what? What does it actualy matter?



Several posts ago you said you were an honest person, a few posts ago you said you'd never referred to ginko as a bank but your ads all have the word bank in them.

thats why it matters

you cant say your honest and then contradict yourself in the same thread.
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VooDoo Bamboo
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08-04-2007 19:04
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
You are right, I forgot I used the word bank on that ad. Now what? What does it actualy matter?



Well it does not matter anymore... You got want you wanted from using it, peoples money. So of course now it no longer matters. You think your slick and too a point you was I will give you credit there but it will turn around and bite you in the ass somehow. Not sure how it will all end but I am 99.9% sure you will not just end up walking away from this. I don't care where you live, there are international laws as well. Somebody is going to end up nailing your ass to the cross and lets see how slick that mouth of yours is then.
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Nicholas Portocarrero
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08-04-2007 19:05
From: VooDoo Bamboo
WOW you are some peice of work man.... Tell the truth, your in the whole. You have no money. The casinos cashed out and now you don't know what to do. You think you can through around words like bank and such and not have any accountability. Funny for a word that you think does not matter you sure knew how to use it to take peoples money though right..................... Clown.


I have already said numerous times that Ginko Financial is out of cash. We do however, have a number of investments. The word bank is an accurate description of the way in which Ginko Financial operates. The fact you have some hang up regarding what the proper use of the word bank is, is irrelevant. You don't have to use if you don't want to.
Uvas Umarov
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08-04-2007 19:06
See, now it IS a bank again...lol
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08-04-2007 19:07
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
I have already said numerous times that Ginko Financial is out of cash. We do however, have a number of investments. The word bank is an accurate description of the way in which Ginko Financial operates. The fact you have some hang up regarding what the proper use of the word bank is, is irrelevant. You don't have to use if you don't want to.



Ok fine that all being said how do you plan to pay all these people back? Its a straight answer. Or for that matter do you plan to pay all these people back? Even that is a straight answer.
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Raymond Figtree
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08-04-2007 19:09
From: VooDoo Bamboo
Ok fine that all being said how do you plan to pay all these people back? Its a straight answer. Or for that matter do you plan to pay all these people back? Even that is a straight answer.
"I have already said numerous times that Ginko Financial is out of cash."

There's your answer. Now leave him alone. He's got a sim to fill with renters and some bonds to sell.
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08-04-2007 19:11
From: Raymond Figtree
"I have already said numerous times that Ginko Financial is out of cash."

There's your answer. Now leave him alone. He's got a sim to fill with renters and some bonds to sell.



He does not have crap and the little stuff he does have you really think he is going to give to you or anyone else he owes? He is going to cash out what he has and run for the hills. His rep is trashed in SL now so he's got nothing to loose at this point.

Let me guess... "The checks in the mail" right?
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Wilhelm Neumann
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08-04-2007 19:15
From: Uvas Umarov
See, now it IS a bank again...lol


always was a bank I clearly remember when i first came to SL how i was fascinated that they could actually run banks and i remember the name of the machine etc that was a year ago. I also clearly remember not being told it was a high risk investment when I stuck 1k lindens in it and this was also a year ago. Obviously these policies are kinda new thing is though that some account holders are not so new (older then me and my avatar gamewise) and they never agreed to what wasn't there umm I dont know how else to put it. Its possible the policies changed and they didn't see them i mean when they opened up the account it was open and i have no idea how much literatur is published in that thing I know I had an account with funds in it for many months (in fact I had forgotten about the 1k i stuck in until the spring of this year and decided to see if it had grown or i won the loto i had purchased tickets in) and got no notices of any policy changes.

/shrug

anyhow this thread is done and we should probably just leave it be cause well we are just going in circles lol i just well that bank think and that lady missing 200k lindens kinda well its upsetting to see this its not like she is new either her avatar is 2004
Osgeld Barmy
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08-04-2007 19:21
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
I have already said numerous times that Ginko Financial is out of cash. We do however, have a number of investments. The word bank is an accurate description of the way in which Ginko Financial operates. The fact you have some hang up regarding what the proper use of the word bank is, is irrelevant. You don't have to use if you don't want to.



sounds like liquidation is a-commin

(i want my 0.48L$!)
Nicholas Portocarrero
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08-04-2007 19:26
I'm done with this forum.
VooDoo Bamboo
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08-04-2007 19:27
If he was really going to get rid of items that this so called bank owns to turn it into cash to pay people back then why not just turn over the land and such to the people that he owes? He could divide it up and such but nope... I don't think so. Thats because this guy is going to cash out just like alot of the casinos did and head for the hills.

It does not matter what country he lives in, there are international laws on this type of thing and somebody is going to nail him. Its only a matter of time.

People need to start talking to their lawyers and getting a law suit going to first sue Linden Labs to force them to turn over internet records to get this guys ISP info. Then go after the ISP to get his real name and such. Then file a very large law suit on this guy.
Your done with this forum? Hell your done with SL. As soon as all the left over assests are gone so are you and we all know it.
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Osgeld Barmy
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08-04-2007 19:34
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
I'm done with this forum.


good, you have bigger things to worry about :)
Talarus Luan
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08-04-2007 20:45
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
It's not a checking account. Any bank account that is not a checking account (and to an extent, even that) is an investment.


Bzzt! WRONGO! Thanks for playing, though. :)

There are quite a few different kinds of accounts, some of which have aspects of both checking AND investment accounts. Surely, you know what a NOW account is, correct?

From: someone
If you want to apply the term "bank" to Ginko Financial or not is irrelevant.


Well, YOU do apply the term "bank" to Ginko Financial, so it must be relevant.

From: someone
Not that many years ago, there was a bank run in Argentina. People were unable to withdraw their money, even to pay their bills. Please look it up. Bank runs are a normal aspect of banking and even though many tools have been developed to secure against them, it's still inherent within fractional reserve banking.


If you call Ginko a "bank", and you are using fractional reserve banking (or are pretending to), then you basically are running a checked deposit account bank, because FRB is the methodology by which those kinds of banks are run. :)

What is also inherent within fractional reserve banking is what happens when there is a run on the bank:

From: Wikipedia
Fractional-reserve banking allows for the possibility of a bank run in which the demand depositors and note holders collectively attempt to withdraw more money than the bank has in reserves, causing the bank to default. THE BANK THEN WOULD BE LIQUIDATED AND THE CREDITORS OF THE BANK WOULD SUFFER A LOSS IF THE PROCEEDS FROM THE BANK'S ASSETS WERE INSUFFICIENT.

Although an initial analysis of a bank run and default points to the bank's inability to liquidate or sell assets (i.e. because the fraction of assets not held in the form of liquid reserves are held in less liquid investments such as loans), a more full analysis indicates that depositors will cause a bank run only when they have a genuine fear of loss of capital, and that banks with a strong risk adjusted capital ratio should be able to liquidate assets and obtain other sources of finance to avoid default. FOR THIS REASON, FRACTIONAL-RESERVE BANKS HAVE EVERY REASON TO MAINTAIN THEIR LIQUIDITY, EVEN AT THE COST OF SELLING ASSETS AT HEAVY DISCOUNTS AND OBTAINING FINANCE AT HIGH COST, DURING A BANK RUN.


That said, what, exactly, is your reasoning for failing to do what is commonly accepted as the proper response for a FRB bank to a run? The run continues, your reserve is long gone, are all your assets long gone, too?

From: someone
Funny. You're joking right? I'm not sure I can explain something this basic in language that someone unable to understand this on his own would understand.


Oh, be still my basic heart. Please feel free to do your worst with high-financier-speak. I don't think we'll have any problems keeping up. :)
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08-04-2007 20:53
From: VooDoo Bamboo
He does not have crap and the little stuff he does have you really think he is going to give to you or anyone else he owes? He is going to cash out what he has and run for the hills. His rep is trashed in SL now so he's got nothing to loose at this point.

Let me guess... "The checks in the mail" right?


Methinks Raymond's sarcasm was lost on you. :P

I can't explain it without losing the subtle beauty of Raymond's post. ;) It's like hitting someone in the head with a gold brick wrapped in the finest velvet.
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08-04-2007 21:09
From: Talarus Luan
Methinks Raymond's sarcasm was lost on you. :P

I can't explain it without losing the subtle beauty of Raymond's post. ;) It's like hitting someone in the head with a gold brick wrapped in the finest velvet.
My years of honing finely crafted sarcasm are finally being recognized. Thank you, Talarus. :)
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08-04-2007 21:11
From: Nicholas Portocarrero
I have already said numerous times that Ginko Financial is out of cash. We do however, have a number of investments.


Does that number add up to any significant portion of the ~L$150M liability you presently owe?

From: someone
The word bank is an accurate description of the way in which Ginko Financial operates. The fact you have some hang up regarding what the proper use of the word bank is, is irrelevant. You don't have to use if you don't want to.


Oh, I see. It's a bank as long as the definition works for what you want it to mean, and not a bank for anything that you don't want it to mean. That is very interesting; I had no idea that we all were now officially using the Nicholas Portocarrero Ambiguous Dictionary of English Doublespeak. Do you have a linkie for it so I can study up, or should I just use a regular English dictionary and a fifth of Glenmorangie?

To quote another highly conscientious personage: "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is..." :rolleyes:
Colette Meiji
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08-04-2007 21:13
From: Talarus Luan
Does that number add up to any significant portion of the ~L$150M liability you presently owe?


If it did he would just list them.
Susie Boffin
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08-04-2007 21:25
A ginko is a little animal that lives in the woods. Shows you how much I follow these nonsense threads. :eek:
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Talarus Luan
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08-04-2007 21:29
From: Susie Boffin
A ginko is a little animal that lives in the woods. Shows you how much I follow these nonsense threads. :eek:


Yes, but you are the Certified Nutcase around here anyway, so.... :P
Colette Meiji
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08-04-2007 22:01
IBTL

:p
Wilhelm Neumann
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08-04-2007 22:06
*makes bet for thread merger instead of lock*

*self ar's for gambling*
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