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Selling on Xstreet just got more expensive

Ricky Shaftoe
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11-19-2009 13:17
I have the same question as Qie.
Ralektra Breda
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11-19-2009 13:19
From: Taylor Lubezki
3Ring this is gonna suck but it's the process..

Deactivate each item.. you can do this by mass checking then setting status..

Then ONE by ONE edit and Delete.. It sucks for sure.


It totally does.

I was thinking that it might be easier to just flat out cancel the account there, is that possible? Without canceling the whole SL account I mean...then I could have my alt open an account. I have already decided that going forward I will be making a 'sister' line, with its own releases and name, specifically for items I wish to see at XSSL. There will only be a few, and of course, the price will be adjusted to be more in line with the upward $$ trend.

(Someone who sells a gown for $200L won't really be able to make it there, someone who sells a gown for $2000L will).
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11-19-2009 13:20
From: Qie Niangao
Do we know for sure yet whether we'll get charged a listing fee for deactivated items?



I have this question too. A great fear I have is that I will be charged for all of my deactivated items...and if I have no money on XSSL, they will just go grab it from my SL account...or worse yet, my credit card.

It's gonna take a long time to delete every item, one at a time.
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11-19-2009 13:20
From: Qie Niangao
Do we know for sure yet whether we'll get charged a listing fee for deactivated items?


I'd like to know this too. If inactives aren't going to cause the fee, then I'll just leave the stuff inactive and delete it as I get time. Without a mass delete or even a delete option for each item on ONE page, it's going to be slogging uphills both ways...
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-19-2009 13:22
From: Ralektra Breda
It totally does.

I was thinking that it might be easier to just flat out cancel the account there, is that possible? Without canceling the whole SL account I mean...then I could have my alt open an account. I have already decided that going forward I will be making a 'sister' line, with its own releases and name, specifically for items I wish to see at XSSL. There will only be a few, and of course, the price will be adjusted to be more in line with the upward $$ trend.

(Someone who sells a gown for $200L won't really be able to make it there, someone who sells a gown for $2000L will).



Since the merge it isn't possible.. That's the process we must follow. I did submit a ticket asking them for a mass delete option.
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-19-2009 13:23
From: Raudf Fox
I'd like to know this too. If inactives aren't going to cause the fee, then I'll just leave the stuff inactive and delete it as I get time. Without a mass delete or even a delete option for each item on ONE page, it's going to be slogging uphills both ways...

Would you really trust them if they say you won't be charged? Not a chance I'm willing to take with their history..
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11-19-2009 13:23
From: Taylor Lubezki
3Ring this is gonna suck but it's the process..

Deactivate each item.. you can do this by mass checking then setting status..

Then ONE by ONE edit and Delete.. It sucks for sure.

Sainted Excrement- As i have just deactivated over 100 items - this does not induce major funnage for me...
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Miles Beck
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11-19-2009 13:24
From: Qie Niangao
Do we know for sure yet whether we'll get charged a listing fee for deactivated items?
Pink was asked about that yesterday in the Second Life Commerce Merchants group and said inactive listings won't be charged. I hope they'll post some specific details soon.
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11-19-2009 13:25
From: Amaranthim Talon
Sainted Excrement- As i have just deactivated over 100 items - this does not induce major funnage for me...

Last night I was cussing about my 115.. Then Ova looked at me and said.. you want to do my 700+?
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Taylor Lubezki
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11-19-2009 13:26
From: Miles Beck
Pink was asked about that yesterday in the Second Life Commerce Merchants group and said inactive listings won't be charged. I hope they'll post some specific details soon.



Colossus was asked as well and he said.. He "Didn't know he would get the tech team for an answer" Never heard from him again.
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11-19-2009 13:30
From: Miles Beck
Pink was asked about that yesterday in the Second Life Commerce Merchants group and said inactive listings won't be charged. I hope they'll post some specific details soon.

Considering Pink's frame of mind last night- I don't think we can rely on much she had to say. She was handed a script, a helmet and a flack jacket and sent into the pit to 'handle' us. You think it was a coincidence she had to 'leave' when she did?
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Larrie Lane
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11-19-2009 13:31
What happens if you just delete the black box on your land, surely this will update itself with no inventory to find and all the deactivated items will not be found in inventory.
3Ring Binder
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11-19-2009 13:32
wait, so i can leave them there, but inactive, and i wont be charged?

i wish i had read this before i just DELETED 62 furniture items that i will now have to reshoot and upload if i ever want to sell them again. grrrrrr
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11-19-2009 13:33
From: Taylor Lubezki
Would you really trust them if they say you won't be charged? Not a chance I'm willing to take with their history..


No, but with at least 600 items inactive, I don't think I'll have much choice.

I still have 467 items left active too... :o I won't let the other site get that bad, though they at least have a delete button in the one page for each item.
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11-19-2009 13:36
From: 3Ring Binder
wait, so i can leave them there, but inactive, and i wont be charged?

i wish i had read this before i just DELETED 62 furniture items that i will now have to reshoot and upload if i ever want to sell them again. grrrrrr



Think of it this way: It's always a nice way to make a restart by using new stuff. The few things I deleted yesterday, I'd just reshoot them anyways, because I have improved since the last posters were done.
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11-19-2009 13:37
From: Rime Wirsing
I was never going there again... but I just made my last Xstreet purchase :)

TY Madeliefste - I will wear it with pride, and not a little sadness.

Rime

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...until LL makes it disappear in-world.

BTW... is there a way to track the number of active items in Xgreed?
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Darkness Anubis
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11-19-2009 13:43
I deleted not deactivate and here is why.

Since the SL act and XStreet Act are connected and LL has shown no reticence to ban a SL act for infractions on the XStreet forums in the past. I Fear that if an Act goes into the red from XStreet charges it will face the same problems a premium that goes into the red in world does. suspend then after a time delete.

I do not trust LL NOT to do this.

It is sad for those customers that often IM'd me about my older work and where to get it as with my choice to leave XStreet it will no longer be available anywhere. But I cannot justify the charges given the rarity of the sales.
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11-19-2009 14:00
From: 3Ring Binder
wait, so i can leave them there, but inactive, and i wont be charged?

i wish i had read this before i just DELETED 62 furniture items that i will now have to reshoot and upload if i ever want to sell them again. grrrrrr
We really don't know if inactive items will be charged or not. Pink said they won't, but that was during a group chat in which she was inundated with questions and comments.
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11-19-2009 14:02
From: Amaranthim Talon
Sainted Excrement- As i have just deactivated over 100 items - this does not induce major funnage for me...


Sainted Excrement......omg I Lol'd out loud!

and yea, I've been working on mine for some time now. Got it whittled down to 88.

and I hear the not trusting SL, even if they say they won't charge for inactive, even if they give it to me engraved in gold on a plaque to I trust them not to do it.

I can just imagine the people who never even look at XSSL are going to be going WTF at their credit card statements in a few months.
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Jade Angkarn
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11-19-2009 14:03
From: Melita Magic
So, Jade, you don't mind the upcoming surcharges either? Paid items will see a rate hike too.
Actually, I really don't mind the upcoming surcharges. As I said, for some reason, there are about 2-3 items that sell a lot, the rest of the items I have listed, pretty much don't sell Xstreet at all, but they do sell in-world. 10L for items that sell, is nothing.

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So why is LL doing this, again? To benefit us or benefit search, Jade? It doesn't seem that way. They have even stated that they are getting rid of 'clutter.' Well by their definition since several of these go out a week if not more, they are not clutter items, but I'd be charged as if they were because they are free.
I think to benefit both. If it's selling, it's not clutter. But there are a huge huge amount of "stale" items in Xstreet. Why? Because there's absolutely no incentive to remove them.
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11-19-2009 14:08
From: DeeJay Kamachi
I'm so glad you feel the need to label 80% of things as crap. I used to use Xstreet to purchase things and for my hobby business of selling hair. I have never had issues with this so called "flooded" market. I also received a merchant survey in my email which described LL's new crappy feature to multi-list colors, I'll have you know they plan on adding a 10-25% sale surcharge. This mail was sent by Pink Linden.

Now since you are quoting "according to LL" that makes me think you've never used Xstreet to purchase things because if you have I highly doubt you would consider the marketplace "flooded."

Well happy to please :rolleyes:

To inform you a bit about my use of XStreet: Most of what I buy is through there. Simply because I never saw my XStreet earnings as actual income, untill about a month ago I did not even keep track of it. So if I spend a few thousand on a tool or building, it is through XStreet. Probably spent somewhere between 50 and 100K there this year.

And yes, 80% is either crap, or multiple lsitings of the same item in different colors. Which sucks if you search for something. The marketplace is flooded indeed, but not with good stuff. That would not be a problem. It is flooded by crap (well and the multi-color stuff, which is not always crap of course).

So if most crap is removed, and colors are multi-listed in 1 entry, the marketplace will be a lot better. If you then look for a jacket, a page will show 30 different items of reasonable to good quality. Not 30 of the same jacket in different colors, not 25 crappy jackets and 5 good or average ones. Improvement in my eyes.
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11-19-2009 14:10
From: 3Ring Binder
wait, so i can leave them there, but inactive, and i wont be charged?

i wish i had read this before i just DELETED 62 furniture items that i will now have to reshoot and upload if i ever want to sell them again. grrrrrr


Careful with that. Deleting and relisting the same item is against the TOS on XStreet. I doubt they would be willing to work with you, unless they are greedy enough for the L$10 listing fee.
Lasher Oh
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11-19-2009 14:31
From: Kenbro Utu
Careful with that. Deleting and relisting the same item is against the TOS on XStreet. I doubt they would be willing to work with you, unless they are greedy enough for the L$10 listing fee.


I addressed a specific question at the other blog to the xstreet team about these two issues a few hours ago and although colossus did pop in to express his surprise and sorry that a few folks were upset he careful avoided answering any questions of an operational nature.

So as it stands we don't know anything about delisting for sure - perhaps if there is a big enough stink, they will confirm a relaxed approach to delisting by way of throwing the mob a bone
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11-19-2009 14:38
Deleting does suck big time but if deactivated items still count towards the total number of listed items they can still wave the 'Ooh look! Merchants are still listing xxx thousands of items' flag as a measure of how little the decision affected business.

Kind of like the grossly inflated voice usage figures based on the number of parcels/sq m with voice activated. Right after I read that I went out and disabled voice on all my land.

For those who decide to just suck it up and raise prices to cover the extra cost - you are just feeding the LL money machine. An extra L$10 to list AND 5% of that higher price... I can barely hear above the sound of greedy Linden bean counters hands being wrung in delight.

At this point I don't care if they heed the uproar here and on the flog and decide not to implement the measures. XStreet is nowhere I want to be.

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11-19-2009 14:42
From: Lasher Oh
... although colossus did pop in to express his surprise and sorry that a few folks were upset ...


Thanks for that - I nearly choked on my coffee :o
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