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Phil Deakins
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01-26-2010 04:50
From: Twisted Pharaoh
What applies in the US applies in SL too. See what happened to gambling.
Of course, but this bit is about blogs on the web and the U.S. FTC - nothing to do with SL.
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-26-2010 04:51
From: Brenda Connolly
Most of Writer's post didn't register with me, too geeky, but I with the same paragraph Scylla quoted, I think.


That para was a good point.

The odd Facebooks / Twitters that I've come across seemed to be inane output for the sake of output.

In my neck of the woods, "twit" and "twitter" have long been a term of disparagement for bird-brains and their outpourings.

These people might think of themselves as publishers, but they are in fact just consumers. Their output and their interlinks are grist to the mills of internal and external information crawlers - all the better to push targeted advertising at.
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Phil Deakins
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01-26-2010 04:52
From: Brenda Connolly
Sorry I can't. Murderers, drug dealers and politicians are lowlifes to me. Not someone who bribes someone else to write something good about them on some obscure internet blog.
Pays - not bribes - but, apart from that, you are right.
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Ann Otoole
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01-26-2010 04:52
From: Phil Deakins
True, and the search engine's objections to paid blogs is understandable, but I've no idea why the U.S. FTC would want to get involved - tax office, yes.

Because it is a form of fraud.
Brenda Connolly
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01-26-2010 04:53
From: Sling Trebuchet
That para was a good point.

The odd Facebooks / Twitters that I've come across seemed to be inane output for the sake of output.

In my neck of the woods, "twit" and "twitter" have long been a term of disparagement for bird-brains and their outpourings.

These people might think of themselves as publishers, but they are in fact just consumers. Their output and their interlinks are grist to the mills of internal and external information crawlers - all the better to push targeted advertising at.


I've never looked at Twitter, but yeah as far as FB goes. The couple of months I had an avie account gave me the chance to see what it ws about without any risk...and it isn't for me. If I haven't spoken to some "friend" in 20 years, there is a good reason.
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01-26-2010 04:53
From: Phil Deakins
True, and the search engine's objections to paid blogs is understandable, but I've no idea why the U.S. FTC would want to get involved - tax office, yes.


It's advertising masquerading as independent opinion.
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01-26-2010 04:53
From: Phil Deakins
Pays - not bribes - but, apart from that, you are right.

Well I know how much buzzwords are appreciated when this discussion comes up. ;)
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Phil Deakins
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01-26-2010 04:54
From: Ann Otoole
Because it is a form of fraud.
If that's the way they see it, ok. I don't have a thought-out view either way, but it's nothing to do with SL, and it is a local rule, confined to the U.S.
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Phil Deakins
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01-26-2010 04:55
From: Sling Trebuchet
It's advertising masquerading as independent opinion.
In your opinion, which doesn't represent general stated opinion.
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01-26-2010 05:02
From: Phil Deakins
In your opinion, which doesn't represent general stated opinion.


Where would one find this "general stated opinion"?
Who conducted the survey and under what conditions?
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Phil Deakins
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01-26-2010 05:03
From: Sling Trebuchet
Where would one find this "general stated opinion"?
Who conducted the survey and under what conditions?
Here.
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Talarus Luan
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01-26-2010 10:08
From: Briana Dawson
*passes around pitchforks and torches to everyone*

GET CHOSEN!!!!!!


*lands in front of Chosen, standing in the attitude of Defiance, wings spread wide, breathing a gout of fire*

You'll have to go through me first. :E
Abigail Merlin
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01-26-2010 10:16
I was skimming over the blerg..er blog discusion and a number of people where saying that they wish for having their rl name as avatar name, guess they don't know about the vanity surname option, sure it is costly but you pay maintanace per surname and then hand out the accounts for your whole family, so for large families that want family gathering in sl it is not that expencive, the same goes for those wanting the rl name for corperate use, one surname per corperation and you know for sure that avatar realy does belong to that corperation.
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01-26-2010 10:23
From: Ann Otoole
There are rules about bloggers now. If you suspect someone is taking money for blogging and not publishing the fact they are paid to write articles then the FTC needs to know so they can take them offline permanently.


First, the FTC won't be taking anyone offline over that; fines, maybe, but the rules say nothing about disconnection.

Second, they aren't interested in the blogger, but the corporation paying the blogger. Only in extreme or egregious cases would they impose any fine on a blogger.

So, likely, Hamlet Au writing about LL and being paid by LL would be LL's problem a lot more than Hamlet's.
Scylla Rhiadra
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01-26-2010 10:25
From: Talarus Luan
First, the FTC won't be taking anyone offline over that; fines, maybe, but the rules say nothing about disconnection.

Second, they aren't interested in the blogger, but the corporation paying the blogger. Only in extreme or egregious cases would they impose any fine on a blogger.

So, likely, Hamlet Au writing about LL and being paid by LL would be LL's problem a lot more than Hamlet's.

Were Hamlet to be taken on by LL again, I find it inconceivable that he'd continue to front NWN. The blog would simply lose any remaining credibility it might have.
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01-26-2010 10:32
Argh. Remember, that was from the "Wild Speculation" file. Really, the possibility of Hamlet returning isn't worth discussing ... there are now a LOT of ex-Lindens out there!

/me casts a longing look in Robin Linden's direction, then eyes the gaggle of niche marketeers that M hired.

Nope, not happening.
:(
Talarus Luan
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01-26-2010 10:35
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Were Hamlet to be taken on by LL again, I find it inconceivable that he'd continue to front NWN. The blog would simply lose any remaining credibility it might have.


Yeah, it was just a hypothetical example pulled from recent posts to illustrate the point.

Likely, LL's legal team would make it a stipulation of his re-employment that he discontinue talking about LL on his blog.
Ciaran Laval
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01-26-2010 11:23
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Were Hamlet to be taken on by LL again, I find it inconceivable that he'd continue to front NWN. The blog would simply lose any remaining credibility it might have.


What happened when Hamlet was a Linden? NWN has been around for a long time.
Scylla Rhiadra
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01-26-2010 11:32
From: Ciaran Laval
What happened when Hamlet was a Linden? NWN has been around for a long time.

Before my time, but he was apparently LL's official "embedded reporter" (as Hamlet Linden) within SL. I have no idea what that may have entailed. He left LL in 2006.
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01-26-2010 11:44
From: Talarus Luan
*lands in front of Chosen, standing in the attitude of Defiance, wings spread wide, breathing a gout of fire*

You'll have to go through me first. :E


oooooh....... :o (sexxeh) :cool:
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Melita Magic
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01-26-2010 12:00
From: Ann Otoole

What we will see is LL ban membership in the content seller program unless rl identity is disclosed. This is how they plan to restrict commerce to the solution providers.


Just killed any inclination I had to open a shop.
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01-26-2010 12:14
From: Melita Magic
Just killed any inclination I had to open a shop.


If wild imaginings, pure speculation, and completely unsubstantiated rumor are enough to dissuade you from opening a shop, then I agree, you shouldn't open one. Only open a business if you're prepared to base your decisions on fact.
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01-26-2010 12:16
From: Talarus Luan
*lands in front of Chosen, standing in the attitude of Defiance, wings spread wide, breathing a gout of fire*

You'll have to go through me first. :E


Aw, thanks, Talarus. :)
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Melita Magic
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01-26-2010 12:17
From: Chosen Few
If wild imaginings, pure speculation, and completely unsubstantiated rumor are enough to dissuade you from opening a shop, then I agree, you shouldn't open one. Only open a business if you're prepared to base your decisions on fact.


Thanks, never would've occurred to me.
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Ann Otoole
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01-26-2010 12:34
From: Melita Magic
Thanks, never would've occurred to me.

I have more than once asked a direct question if LL is planning to require disclosure to be in the content seller program.
Although LL is answering other questions LL is adamantly refusing to answer this direct question. Perhaps more customers need to be over on the blog thread asking the same question.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/01/22/will-the-real-you-please-stand-up#comment-773016

Discussing this here is a waste of bytes. LL is not reading this thread. If you want to be heard then go post where it counts and stop letting people dilute the responses to important posts by trying to move discussion here or to non LL forums. The only advantage to discussing on non LL forums is that you can point out things directly and state truths that get you banned on LL websites. But LL still isn't reading those.

Post on the blog or your voice is silenced.
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