Using orbit-devices against griefers

I witnessed a vigilante smackdown while in Sarah Nerd's freebie store. There was an AV shooting random people with a pushgun; eventually an AV with better equipment managed to subdue the original aggressor but by then it had devolved into a big mess of lag and distraction. I sat down and sent an AR on both players, because it was obvious from their chat conversations that neither was interested in peace, quiet or "safety." The "defender" appeared to be equally fixated on using gadgets to look/feel cool, and he probably prolonged the nuisance to the rest of the people in the sim.

If they shoot first, I say they have given express permission for you to shoot back. And if I had superior firepower, even better. I may file an AR stating the facts, ie " he launched an attack and I responded with force" in case the dweeb thinks it would be amusing to try and blame you for the altercation. The powers that be dont feel like being schoolmarms trying to keep the kiddies from playing too rough, there are more important matters to contend with. Blowing a griefer off the sim? Thats entertainment. Overall I dont think much would come of it, and even if you did need to state your case, odds are it will be thrown out of court. This isnt reality, LL laughs at our half assed antics all the time. ' OH NO, JENNA SHOT YIFFY AND YIFFY SHOT BACK." Worried about getting in trouble for this?? Kill em all, let god sort em out.

Ahem. YIFFY fired first. My use of the cat launcher was strictly self-defense.

Anyone who shoots anything in a non-combat parcel is subject to being abuse reported. Remember that.

Joe Griefer taunts you with griefing until you do something that HE can abuse report YOU for. Either he will or an alt of his will.

You retalliate, you abuse report each other, you both get your a$$ banned or suspended.

Problem is, he was using a disposable unverifiad alt, made that morning, with no assets but his griefer arsenal. He couldn't care less if that account gets banned. He's back in 5 minutes with a shiny new unverified account, hurting someone else.

Meanwhile, YOU also get suspended or banned. Presumably YOUR account isn't a disposable alt. Congratulations, you suffer the greater loss, and he laughs as you vanish from SL, possbly forever, while he seeks a new victim.

Shooting back at a griefer only plays their game, re-enforces their antisocial behavior, and gives them what they feel is a "win". You will NEVER win by shooting them. Never.

If he's on your land, ban him.

If he's not on your land, teleport away, or log off. Deny him a target.

Either way, he gets no fun out of it, you don't violate any rules, and he loses.

Looses? He perhaps just lays claim to the infohub or shop as now his turf where he can do whatever he wants when he wants and even have a whole gang move in, you and your friends win the option of shopping/hanging out somewhere else til someone decides that place is theirs too.

Get banned oh well, I have other AV's and it's only a game. if I got time, I have expendable alts I can swap to as well. There's no raging gun battle happening here or parading of shiney big guns, it can be an invisible HUD, blue menu target this avatar, he dissapears simple, he may not even know who hit him.
And you don't always win by banning them either, I heard of a guy that ejected & banned, the griefer came back with an alt and orbited him 2 minutes later and dared him to ban him again so he could swap alts again another shop that now locks out unverified.......
Best thing you can do to win is transfer the land to them
Til Lindens do something about policing and the plague of unverified disposable characters, there is no answer, just self-satisfaction I guess.

As some people have said above, filing an abuse report is too slow when someone is making a serious nuisance of themselves and needs to be got rid of NOW.

The NOW action is orbitting or alike, then you may face an AR yourself, as explained as well.

And actions like that will make them only come back harder, because you give them what they want... attention.

Morwen.

I think Lindens should IP ban.

The problem with playing superheroes is these griefers can't Roleplay so better off just using the invisible hud type orbiter, select targets name & click, they can tell who did it only if they wear another orbit detect hud. When there are a dozen AV's in the area and they can't work out who it is then the fun will wear off, if they detect you just tp out then come back with your own alt and do it again.

Which bring you down to the same level as them...

Morwen.

It does bring me down to that level?
You mean I don't have to first create a deliberately obsene avatar and push a dozen new female players into a corner suggesting sexual movements upon their person and asking them about their preferences in appendage shapes?

Orbitting and tricks alike are enough to get ARed for. No matter who started it. Fighting fire with fire will only give more fire.

Morwen.

I disagree that attention is what these griefers are seeking. What they want is to spoil your enjoyment. If they can force you to leave an area by making life bad for you, that will do nicely for them. Or if you are building something and you have to stop because they are filling your parcel with prims, they win. Putting in an AR is not a defence against that.

Personally? I'd fire back .... of course I'm the sort of person that believes griefers of the sort described in the OP should have a far stricter punishment - the sort the ensures they'll never be able to use the internet again. If LL started doing that you can bet griefers would think twice.

Hey, we should let the free market fix the problem: Gaybot's idea of superheroes, only a paid corps of superheroes. A sim owner could subscribe to a service (for a modest fee) that provides protection 24/7. No need for the owner to be online: just hang a sign with an emergency address to IM. Bad guys start causing trouble; helpful citizen IMs for help; good guys TP in and after a few minutes of awe-inspiring combat everyone cheers for the victorious superheroes. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that scenario :|

Read the many threads there were on "police forces" and "super heroes".... Most people don't want them (me included).

As I already said in those threads, any person who thinks she/he needs to act on my land against griefers, will be facing (after a warning) a ban as well... and maybe even an AR. Only I and the few I have given the needed rights may act against misbehaving people on my land. No one else.

And I can assure you, there will be no fighting on my land when I am around.

Morwen.

You think? Why? Because they loose their free alt alt alt alt account????

Morwen.

Question - assuming it's a crowded area, how would the griefer (or noob, whatever) even know it was you who had orbited them? I honestly don't know the answer to this question.

No Morven - because they no longer have a computer to use - not until they execute a full reinstall of all their system hardware.

So you want to do something that damages in one or another way their computer? I don't know about other places, but I have a strong feeling that will be mighty illegal over here and punishable for the person/company who caused it.

Or do you mean that their computer will be taken away from them when they are caught? Wonder how you will do that with people from outside the US?

Morwen.

I think that was a reference to LL banning the IP address, so no one could access SL from that computer again. I think LL should do more of that.

My opinion - my time here is too limited to mess around with people who want to cause me problems. Maybe I'm a little too trigger happy on the mute button, and you can call me a coward for TPing away from places when there's trouble (after I file my AR if warranted), but I just don't feel like dealing with people who get a kick out of being nasty. Whatever you do, if they see that they're not affecting you, they'll go elsewhere for their fun.

The make my day law..if you feel someone is a direct thret to you or your home you have the right to shoot them,you have the right to kill them to stop them and to defend your self and your things. This is a RL law in some states. I am a firm beliver in this law. RL and SL. If you shoot me ,my friends or even just my land,I should have the right to defend my self, my things,and the land I own. And lets face it,orbiting,burning and cageing greifers is good cheap entertainment.

Clarification: I voted before I read the post (and still haven't read the responses). I think people should be able to orbit others off their OWN land - which I think they can do, if they set the land to damage-enabled first.

coco